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It seems like an *awful lot* of motion and movement of the controls.

Any chance it is faked?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...-737-high-winds.html




Link to original video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z36Qd3kaAo

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Only if its an Airbus. Big Grin

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Only if its an Airbus. Big Grin



Hang on...

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Better now. Wink

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You'd almost think the pilot was having a seizure.

I hope the copilot didn't spill his cocktail. Big Grin
 
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Looks pretty authentic to me, and yes when it's gusty that's what it looks like trying to land one. Those large control inputs are not indicative of how far the control surfaces are moving though. So while the yoke is swinging back and forth the actual ailerons and elevators are moving much less than that. Any time you get a bumpy ride in the back you can be sure the pilot is working up front.


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Looks like that guy earned his pay on that landing.

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--RMD-maybe you could edit that string so the post fits screens better?

You quoted before I could edit...you're too fast, or I'm too slow."

Inside joke for another member who will likely be along shortly. He knows who he is.

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Nah, if that was Otto or Entropy, they'd be so smooth you wouldn't even see any movement, Because there wouldn't be any. Because they are 2 Sig Forum pilots.. Big Grin. And that's different than a regular pilot.
 
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He looked relieved to be on the ground to me.
 
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Lots of single runway commercial airports overseas, so flying over there you are more likely to see more extreme crosswind landings than are common in the US.


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Nah, if that was Otto or Entropy, they'd be so smooth you wouldn't even see any movement, Because there wouldn't be any. Because they are 2 Sig Forum pilots.. Big Grin. And that's different than a regular pilot.


I don't think Otto's passengers care about a smooth landing. The boxes don't scream.


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Nah, if that was Otto or Entropy, they'd be so smooth you wouldn't even see any movement, Because there wouldn't be any. Because they are 2 Sig Forum pilots.. Big Grin. And that's different than a regular pilot.


I don't think Otto's passengers care about a smooth landing. The boxes don't scream.


But the cows, or was it horses, made a heckuva mess.
 
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I'm no airline pilot, but I believe it's totally real. You put in the input that is needed. Each of those inputs was very very momentary.
 
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I'm no airline pilot, but I believe it's totally real. You put in the input that is needed. Each of those inputs was very very momentary.


Same. I'm not pilot, but the change in location of the sun over the pilot's left shoulder as they were descending would certainly be difficult to fake.




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Nah, if that was Otto or Entropy, they'd be so smooth you wouldn't even see any movement, Because there wouldn't be any. Because they are 2 Sig Forum pilots.. Big Grin. And that's different than a regular pilot.


I don't think Otto's passengers care about a smooth landing. The boxes don't scream.
No, but they do occasionally collapse, break, or leak all over themselves...and the cows and horses do get a bit kicky. Big Grin

Now, two disclaimers. First, I have never flown a 737. I have flown bigger and smaller. Second, the planes I've flown for the last decade can carry a 737's weight in fuel, so they don't get bounced quite like that. Having said that...

Even in the nastiest weather I have ever flown in, I have NEVER done that kind of control deflection. It may be my helicopter background, but I tend to use more gentle deliberate control movements than that, even in nasty turbulence. In ocean terms, I don't fight the wave, I surf it. In fact, most of the time when I have seen that kind of control deflection it has made the ride worse than it might ordinarily be. I've had fellow pilots talk about the "turbulence" on an approach while flying like that, and I had to bite my tongue to keep from saying "No dude, that was just you."

So having been all judgmental, to be fair, I would have loved to have seen the weather report for that airport, and I REALLY would have loved to look out the window. That might have been some A1 rockstar flying, but it sure seemed a bit excessive to me.


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We flew into Charleston, WV one winter with a prisoner.

For awhile, I thought he was going to land the damn thing ass first.
 
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No, but they do occasionally collapse, break, or leak all over themselves...and the cows and horses do get a bit kicky. Big Grin


Just blame the people that loaded the containers. Big Grin

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Even in the nastiest weather I have ever flown in, I have NEVER done that kind of control deflection. It may be my helicopter background, but I tend to use more gentle deliberate control movements than that, even in nasty turbulence. In ocean terms, I don't fight the wave, I surf it. In fact, most of the time when I have seen that kind of control deflection it has made the ride worse than it might ordinarily be. I've had fellow pilots talk about the "turbulence" on an approach while flying like that, and I had to bite my tongue to keep from saying "No dude, that was just you."

So having been all judgmental, to be fair, I would have loved to have seen the weather report for that airport, and I REALLY would have loved to look out the window. That might have been some A1 rockstar flying, but it sure seemed a bit excessive to me.


I think what type of flying a pilot was influenced by shapes how they fly. You mentioned helicopters, but gliders are the same way you have to plan ahead and let the weather push you where you want to go. While this guy has an aerobatics background, and might influence him into manhandling the plane more.

Anyways I looked up the caption from the Facebook post
".I'm always saying that airline pilot gets his all salary for one landing per month...this is the day I earned mine...maximum crosswind limit steady, gust plus steady and gust in one...FULL FORCE column deflections was reqired...I LOVE Boeing 737 for it's stability in severe conditions.."

Sounds like extreme crosswind plus gusts, and I am guessing the typical European single runway airport.


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maximum crosswind limit steady, gust plus steady and gust in one

Depending on the type of 737, that could be 36 kts. steady + extra gust. He was a test pilot. Sometimes, you gotta' be, and the low engines of a 737 require a bit more care. I'll give him that, and as they say..."If you can use the airplane again, it was a great one." Smile


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Autopilot must have been Out of Service. Wink




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