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I'm on a mobile, so I can't really post it. But the Senate passed a bill loosening isp privacy laws.

Not a tinfoil hat type, but I'd like to hear opinions of those more knowledgeable than I.

I've always assumed, unless you log into a service, your traffic is seen as just an IP address. They can't tie it to a name.

Not that I have anything to hide, of course.

 
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Congress Just Gave ISPs The Green Light To Sell Your Browsing History Without Consent

Congress Just Gave Internet Providers the Green Light to Sell Your Browsing History Without Consent

Libby Watson

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The House of Representatives voted today repeal rules preventing internet service providers from selling their customers’ web browsing and app usage data without explicit consent. The Senate passed the same bill last week, which means the only obstacle that remains is a signature from President Trump—and the White House has already signaled he will do so.

The rules would have required ISPs to get explicit opt-in consent from customers before selling their sensitive data, including web browsing history and app usage data. The rules hadn’t gone into effect yet, and Federal Communications Commission (FCC) chairman Ajit Pai stopped the first provision, which would have required ISPs to keep customer data secure—what a concept!—from going into effect earlier this month.

Without these rules, “there will be no strong federal protection for consumers when it comes to how their ISP can use their information,” Dallas Harris, a policy fellow at the privacy advocacy group Public Knowledge, told Gizmodo. Under the current statute, customers must be allowed to opt out of letting their ISP sell their data, but without a rule to interpret that statute, it’s much harder to enforce. And the 2-1 Republican majority at the FCC is hardly desperate to enforce that rule. Eric Null, the policy counsel at the Open Technology Institute, told Gizmodo it’s “highly unlikely” that we’d see any enforcement by the FCC if a provider doesn’t provide reasonable measures to opt out.

The rules were repealed using the Congressional Review Act, which was used only once before the Trump administration, but has been implemented seven times since January. Essentially, this means the FCC can’t issue any “substantially similar” rules in the future.

Gigi Sohn, former counselor for ex-FCC chairman Tom Wheeler, told Gizmodo that it’s not clear whether this means the FCC would be prevented from passing stronger rules in the future, and that ISPs may not have “given a whole lot of thought” to that possibility. But it seems that ISPs are betting that this would act as a “nuclear option,” eliminating the possibility of future regulation by the FCC.

So, what does this mean for consumers? Harris told Gizmodo that they’ll “have to take their privacy into their own hands.” Practically speaking, Harris said, this means you should “get online right now, get on your ISP’s website” and opt out of having your data sold. It might also mean getting a VPN—a private network that routes all traffic through its servers—though you’d have to pick one you trust not to sell your data, too. Harris also fears that the repeal will have a “chilling effect” on broadband adoption among those who still


Rest of story at link.
 
Posts: 5750 | Location: Fort Heathen, Texas | Registered: February 25, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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The Senate bill just prevents rules going into effect that Obama ordered last year.

Nothing changes with the passage of this bill.

Your internet browsing history has been sold since day one - are there really people who still don't know this? It's been that way since the advent of the internet.



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HR320 and Senate Joint Resolution 34 repeals the Internet Privacy Rule / FCC Privacy Protections, and lets ISPs (continue to, as they always have) sell your search history.

Both passed and it's now headed to Trump.

The sponsor, Representative Blackburn, took $693,000 from the industry and has never voted against it.

Here's a list of 50 GOP Senators who support it.
 
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The bill changes nothing. ISP's have always sold browsing history.

The rules that Obama wanted did not go into effect - the rules would have required the ISP to send you a disclosure and have you check a box up front that you agree to the terms. A bunch of overhyped nonsense from the anti-Trump media.

Literally, this bill would keep things the way they have always been - nothing has changed.


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While those rules have not been implemented as of yet, they require that internet service suppliers (ISPs) tell consumers what information of theirs is being collected and how it is being shared. Most importantly, perhaps, is the fact that these rules force ISPs to get explicit consent from the consumer before selling information, which can include browsing history and geolocation.

In other words a disclosure box that you have to check in order to get service from the ISP, like the software agreements you have to check off to install a program.

http://www.mediaite.com/online...ernet-privacy-rules/



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AI for "data gathering" on the Internet is like a bloodhound.

You think your stink is invisible, but a hound's nose can "see" your tracks like the noonday sun.

The "pairing" of your digital wandering to you is much easier than you would realize and the longer you are "on" and the more things you "do", smaller the gap from you to the trail of breadcrumbs you leave.




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You think your stink is invisible, but a hound's nose can "see" your tracks like the noonday sun.


Something like this...




 
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So on this note, who do we like for VPN providers?
 
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Wonder how AT&T will take my tranny porn browsing and translate it into advertising potential? Oh well, it's their problem.


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No such thing ...





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Privacy for consumers? You are already paying an ISP for service, and that monthly payment should be enough. That's not good enough, they also want to sell your data. Bullshit.



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Originally posted by 1gkek:
So on this note, who do we like for VPN providers?

PIA, integrates well with OpenVPN, too. $40/year. On a Mac, use Viscosity for your client. On the iPhone, all the functionality you need is built in. Use the OpenVPN client app.
 
 
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Originally posted by 1gkek:
So on this note, who do we like for VPN providers?

PIA, integrates well with OpenVPN, too. $40/year. On a Mac, use Viscosity for your client. On the iPhone, all the functionality you need is built in. Use the OpenVPN client app.
 


What email provider do you use or think is more secure than the big name providers? I've heard Protonmail in Switzerland is free and they encrypt your mail on their servers.
 
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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
That's not good enough, they also want to sell your data. Bullshit.


They don't want to start selling your data, they have been doing it since the inception of the internet. Nothing has changed, and nothing would have changed with the proposed rules. The rules would have made the ISP's put a disclosure up that you have to agree to before you sign up or continue with their service - like a software agreement to install software. No ISP would operate or give you service without agreeing to the terms - so literally nothing would have changed if the rules had gone into effect.

This whole story is a big nothing-burger being spread by ignorant media who see it as another opportunity to bash Trump.



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Some suggestions here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2..._internet_histories/




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On the internet, you have no privacy.


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PIA, integrates well with OpenVPN, too. $40/year. On a Mac, use Viscosity for your client. On the iPhone, all the functionality you need is built in. Use the OpenVPN client app.
 


Thanks for the recommendation. Just signed up. I'll look into viscosity.
 
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Originally posted by 46and2:
HR320 and Senate Joint Resolution 34 repeals the Internet Privacy Rule / FCC Privacy Protections, and lets ISPs (continue to, as they always have) sell your search history.

Both passed and it's now headed to Trump.

The sponsor, Representative Blackburn, took $693,000 from the industry and has never voted against it.

Here's a list of 50 GOP Senators who support it.

Yup. It's just Republicans doing what Republicans always do when they gain control: Toss the consumer under the bus and give business whatever it wants.

I predicted that, following the results of the last election, Republicans would do what Republicans always do, and get themselves thrown out on their collective ear in the midterms. So far they're meeting expectations nicely.

I should have put money on it. It was a sure thing.

And, no, ISPs haven't "always sold browsing history," despite what some of the predictably-pro-business, predictably-pro-"conservative" types around here will tell you. At least not in the way they want to. Mainly they were only providing it to traffic-ranking sites, which is a far cry from what they plan to do.



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what they plan to do .

 
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What email provider do you use or think is more secure than the big name providers? I've heard Protonmail in Switzerland is free and they encrypt your mail on their servers.

I don't believe any email provider is secure, or at least I operate under the assumption that anything I put out there can be "had". Even if you overcome the hurdles of using S-MIME, PGP, GPG, TLS or whatever encryption method you choose, the email still exists in plain text at some point at each end. I POP from my domain hosting service (OpenSRS), and I use my own smtp server to send from my personal domain. Just assume it can be read, and don't put a secret squirrel stuff in your emails.
 
 
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