Lyndon Johnson was the worst president of my lifetime. Obama comes in a close second. I rate them both at the bottom of the barrel for a variety of reasons, but their disdain for the Second Amendment is a big part of it.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by PASig:
He seemed a little TOO eager and prepared to take that (later to be proven unnecessary) oath of office on AF1 right after Kennedy's brains got blown out.

What are you trying to say?

I think he may have had Kennedy offed in order to take over the job.

There is no evidence to support that. Uninformed speculation about some girl friend and some attorney were seen at such and so and that means LBJ was in on it. That sort of thing.

There is a great story about a party the night before at some big shot’s house where Johnson was heard saying “after tomorrow, those §€&#@“$ Kennedys will never embarrass me again.” There are many other stories, a guy who was in prison with Carlos Marcello says Marcello admitted to having Kennedy killed, another guy was friends with some professional assassins who were paid $5 million in heroin to do the hit, lay low in a safe house in Dallas, then fly by private plane to Canada abd iff into obscurity. Back in the years after the assassination, just about everyone was suspected of having some part in it, except me. I was in my class in the hill country with lots of witnesses. I’m not sure where my mom was that day, though.

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Originally posted by roustabout:
Lyndon Johnson was the worst president of my lifetime. Obama comes in a close second. I rate them both at the bottom of the barrel for a variety of reasons, but their disdain for the Second Amendment is a big part of it.

Maybe that's a lesson to be drawn here. Both Johnson and Obama were good at getting elected. Johnson also had a grasp of the legislative process that was second to none, which Obama did not.

In both cases, though, you never get a sense that either one ever had a very clear, specific idea of what he wanted to accomplish with any specific legislation or initiative. It wasn't just sort of a general spaciness, although I think both men could be space cadets in their own way. It's more that neither of them ever seemed to think through policies and their application. There were grandiose ideas, to be sure. But no clear thought, no clear plan, no clear checkpoints or standards for review, and no clear objectives.

Would Johnson have taken more if he thought he could get it? Sure. But only because he had a vague notion that "more" is somehow "better" and therefore "progress". Remember, he was a bright guy, he was a knowledgeable guy, but he was a Democratic Party dinosaur at the dawn of the current era of pure progressive liberalism.

What happened to all those posts congratulating Jimmy Carter for no longer being the worst?

I thought the Abominable O man was the worst by far. What happened to that?

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Originally posted by PASig:
I think he may have had Kennedy offed in order to take over the job.

Jesus Lawd hep me

PASig... (there was a very long pause here while I stared at my monitor)

PASig... (I'm staring at the screen again)

Is there any forum member who feels comfortable saying a word or two to PASig on this subject? I have a bit of a headache right now.

Please, feel free.

Jesus Lawd a-mighty

No conspiracy theories, PASig. It's in the waiver next to the gay cake clause...

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
What happened to all those posts congratulating Jimmy Carter for no longer being the worst?

I thought the Abominable O man was the worst by far. What happened to that?

So bad in so many different ways, it's just so difficult to compare. The last other than terrible D in the oval was probably Truman with Kennedy a distant second, by my count.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
No conspiracy theories, PASig. It's in the waiver next to the gay cake clause...

Ahh crap. I should have known better!

Para: sorry, didn’t mean to cause you a headache

Let us not forget that he also pulled up a beagle by the ears. A man that will mistreat a dog is a cad. Thanks Para for the reminder that the 'elite herd managers' are still living by the maxim 'All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others'.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
What happened to all those posts congratulating Jimmy Carter for no longer being the worst?

I thought the Abominable O man was the worst by far. What happened to that?

So bad in so many different ways, it's just so difficult to compare. The last other than terrible D in the oval was probably Truman with Kennedy a distant second, by my count.

I'm lost in this post.

My $0.02 to JALLEN
Carter was terrible, but in an incompetent, sweater wearing awfulness.

LBJ & BHO were also terrible, in an evil, progressive agenda promoting manner that are nigh unparalleled

Johnson, Carter, Obama This 2008 link http://www.americanthinker.com...worst_president.html explains in detail why Johnson and Carter make it into the medal round. Plenty of facts to say that Obama, LBJ or Carter would best Buchanan who is outlined in this article as one of the 3 worst in preObama timeline.

I'd Say it's tough to say who between those three remaining is actually the worst. There are so many degrees and facets of awful for each of them. It really depends how the bracket is set up. If LBJ & Obama meet in the Semifinals then the other side of the bracket doesn't stand much of a chance.

Y’all are sure fickle.

We’ve had 8 years of near non stop bitching and moaning about Obama who was nearly unanimously claimed to be THE worst President ever, bar none. Carter was off the schnide. LBJ didn’t even get a mention in these discussions.

I, for one, have been very consistent in whom I've said were the worst Presidents. Much of the consternation about Obama was, I think, that we were living through him, and what he did & MIGHT do. Clearly, had he kept party control on Capitol Hill it could have been much worse than what we already got.

To show my consistency, as I can only speak for me, here is an article from Red State from 2015. Including Obama, my top 5 are the same as this author's top 4+Obama. https://www.redstate.com/diary...idents-us-history-2/

In chronological order: Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Carter & Obama

Back to the original thread intent I cannot find a published list rating the US Presidents on the Second Amendment.
Clearly, Johnson's actions & Obama's preferences would rank them strongly on such a list. Given that the NFA & FFA were passed under FDR in 1934 & 1938 & the GCA was under LBJ it's clear that at least those 2 deserve top honors. WJ Clinton's actions: Brady, Assault Weapon's Ban would score him highly, and one could only shudder at what his wife would have done. It is perhaps worth mentioning that G HW Bush signed the Gun Free School Zones act (1990).

So, perhaps in that list we have the worst for 2nd Amendment freedoms: FDR, LBJ, GHWB, WJC, BHO (on beliefs and what he might have done), but that's not with a lot of research.

Carter was an incompetent socialist. His ignorance of economic matters was illustrated by his Crude Oil Winfall Profits Tax. It was an excise tax on oil produced at the wellhead and had nothing whatsoever to do with profits. The federal government didn't get its promised "windfall" either, because a long bear market in oil wiped all that out.

I'm sure he would have gotten around to proposing strict gun control laws, but thankfully he never got the chance. He was a bumbler and a poor excuse for a President. Johnson and Obama were far more dangerous, in my opinion.

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If the criminal with a gun is to be tracked down quickly, then we must have registration in this country.

Unbelievable.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
No conspiracy theories, PASig. It's in the waiver next to the gay cake clause...

Ahh crap. I should have known better!

Para: sorry, didn’t mean to cause you a headache

The fact that you actually believe such fantastical nonsense is the concerning part.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
Y’all are sure fickle.

We’ve had 8 years of near non stop bitching and moaning about Obama who was nearly unanimously claimed to be THE worst President ever, bar none. Carter was off the schnide. LBJ didn’t even get a mention in these discussions.

In the recent past, I have always considered Obama as the absolute worst President in modern history, displacing Jimmy, who IMO, held that distinction before 2008. But just based on reading about Johnson, I have always put LBJ in the worst 3 group. Perhaps one reason I place Barry at the top slot is that I lived with his Presidency every single day, unlike Johnson. Carter, I do remember his incompetence, but as a high school student, did not live with it everyday like I did with Obama.

Concerning the Gun Control Act of 1968, what bothers me is the support given the bill by the NRA. At the time I was an 18 year old kid, totally unaware of what was being put into law. What was praised up a storm was the outlawing of the "Saturday night specials" or the cheap mail-order handguns. There has been a constant eroding of gun rights since that time.

The support of the NRA on the AFT&E concerning the bump stocks is very reminiscent of the GCA of 1968. The unintended consequences of our current bump stock concern should cause the NRA to back away from this issue and remain firmly against any legislation in this area.

Drip, drip, drip.

At the time of its passage in 1968, NRA executive vice president Franklin Orth wrote in American Rifleman that "the measure as a whole appears to be one that the sportsmen of America can live with"

"Sportsmen" this jamoke says!! The Second Amendment doesn't say squat about "sportsmen", Braniac!!

The funny thing about LBJ is how the press totally gives him a pass, but they'll bash Nixon at every turn. Funny how that works...

While in office as president, Johnson would go to Texas, get drunk, and then lead the Texas highway patrol on a high speed chase. Then get on camera and laugh his ass off. This was about 1965 or 1966 if I remember correctly.