As with many, a HUGE peeve of mine. We have a medical/retail office, and when anyone comes in with a dog, I request a downstay on the removable carpet (lots of folks with allergies). If I am informed they are a service dog, I certainly ask what service they perform.
A bandana is a dead giveaway= Emotional support= I’m not required to allow them in. If they are small enough to tuck in a purse (AND STAY IN THE PURSE), I’ll ignore it.
Otherwise, if your pet can’t do a downstay AND STAY PUT, you haven’t the privilege to bring it in my clinic. That includes my own pets (and I have a few dogs). I don’t bring em because I recognize too many people aren’t comfortable/have allergies.
What ever happened to being respectful of others??

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Originally posted by irreverent:
What ever happened to being respectful of others??

My friend...THAT went by the wayside YEARS ago. Common courtesy?? Yeah...F-U!!! Just boggles the mind...

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Originally posted by zipriderson:
Organizations simply need to step up. Disney should have a policy that they reserve the right to remove a person and their dog from the park if that dog isn't behaving appropriately. Seems pretty simple. Maybe this already exists.

Simple, but illegal, at least for not-extreme values of not "behaving appropriately."

A business can only remove a service animal if it "is out of control and the animal's handler does not take effective action to control it" or if the animal is not housebroken.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/35.136

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:

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Originally posted by rusbro:

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
my opinion is that if you have a fake service dog, the animal is removed from your possession and put down, and while we're not allowed to put down the faker, a year and a day in prison would be good for a first offense.

I am all in favor of building a few new prisons here in southern Arizona to house these cretins along with as many illegals as we can cram into tents before we deport their sorry asses

time to treat these people with the lack of respect they so richly deserve

Come on man, you want to kill the dog to spite the owner?

depending on the history of the animal - attacking other animals and people, then yes

case by case determination

Nice fail on the backpedaling.

While I find it deplorable that dishonest people are screwing up a needful thing for those truly dependent on service animals and those establishment that try to accommodate, your prior post is loathsome and the weak attempt to walk it back, worse.

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Originally posted by rusbro:Come on man, you want to kill the dog to spite the owner?

Your fake ass "emotional support" dog bites my young daughter in the face, yes, put it down.

https://katu.com/news/local/su...-at-portland-airport

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Originally posted by irreverent:

What ever happened to being respectful of others??

That trait disappeared a long time ago.

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Originally posted by Southflorida-law:

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Originally posted by rusbro:Come on man, you want to kill the dog to spite the owner?

Your fake ass "emotional support" dog bites my young daughter in the face, yes, put it down.

https://katu.com/news/local/su...-at-portland-airport

So if your neighbors aggressive dog comes over and bites your daughters face it's ok? Don't really see the difference whether it's a fake service dog or not. It's the act that's punishable not the title.

It's not so much fake service dogs as it is, "Emotional Support Animals". There's a huge difference. The last hospital I worked at in Arizona we had issues with people bringing their animals into the ER. Including yours truly who was bit by a patient's emotional support.

Legally, we could ask if the dog was a service dog but we couldn't ask what disability the dog assisted with. Legitimate service dogs could remain with the patient, emotional support animals weren't allowed in the building.

Fake service animals are a pet peeve of mine.

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Originally posted by TMats:
The article led to more questions than answers. It said 28 states had passed legislation penalizing people for misrepresenting their dogs as service animals. The article went on to point out the fact that there is no registry for service dogs, and that in fact, ADA limits the ability of police or business owners to question a person who may be suspected of misrepresenting their animal. How then is the legislation written in 28 states? How do those states enforce the law? What are the penalties if somehow, someway, a person confesses?

I wish it was easier to enforce. MN passed a law that went into effect last year: A person who violates this law is guilty of a petty misdemeanor on their first offense and subject to a fine of $100. Violating the law a second or subsequent time is a misdemeanor, which is considered a criminal offense for which a fine of up to $1000 or 90 days in prison, or both, may be imposed.


However, I'd guess it's pretty hard to enforce since the only things that can be asked are if an animal is a service animal and ask what tasks the animal has been trained to perform. Barring someone admitting that the animal isn't a service animal, I'm not sure how it would be enforced (even when most fakes are pretty easy to spot).

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Originally posted by 2000Z-71:

Legally, we could ask if the dog was a service dog but we couldn't ask what disability the dog assisted with.

I was under the impression that you could ask what service the dog provided.

Subtle difference: in your example, asking what disability the dog assisted with, you are asking about the patient. In the second phrasing, you're asking about the dog.

I will be happy to see this get addressed and the loopholes be snapped shut.

My son lives in an apartment where he had to pay a hefty additional deposit and added monthly rent so he could keep his dog. His dog is an giant awesome mutt who is quiet, clean and very well behaved. Meanwhile, his assbag of a neighbor went online and got a fake cert for $125.00 so his unruly, barks at everything and shits everywhere dog can live rent and deposit free.

ADA is a prime example of Congress not doing their job. They pass legislation with no clear boundaries; the limits of the legislation are therefore determined in court.

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Originally posted by Southflorida-law:

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Originally posted by rusbro:Come on man, you want to kill the dog to spite the owner?

Your fake ass "emotional support" dog bites my young daughter in the face, yes, put it down.

https://katu.com/news/local/su...-at-portland-airport

Yet after coaching kids for almost 10 years, and fostering dogs for a local rescue for a few years, I feel very comfortable saying...

1 - There are no bad kids, just bad parents.
2 - There are no bad dogs, just bad owners.

I've helped rehab some dogs that were screwed up by their owners, and they're terrific animals now. They aren't the 'problem'.

I think a better solution to your scenario would be to remove the dog from the owner and give it over to a rescue group, then severely fine and/or jail the owner, also making them responsible for all the medical costs of the person their dog bit and forbidding them from ever owning another dog.

I’m tired of seeing this shit personally like most of you. SAR, .mil, Police, PTSD for Vets, dogs for the blind, and for serious medical conditions are all legit. These pussies with their emotional support bs is bullshit. I could have easily got real service tags and registration for my GSD (worked with SAR) and now Mal but don’t. People are narcissists.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
So if your neighbors aggressive dog comes over and bites your daughters face it's ok? Don't really see the difference whether it's a fake service dog or not. It's the act that's punishable not the title.

We are discussing fake service dogs. If a neighbor has some crazy aggressive dog and it bit my kid, put that dog down too.

Uncontrollable aggressive dogs should be put down. And I know it is not the dog's "fault", but if you cant control your animal and will not get rid of it or give it to someone that can control it, then put it down. It is a lot easier than reconstructing the face of a 5 year old.

And before we go down the rabbit hole of scenarios and "what if's", this is directed to un-controlled aggressive dogs, not ones were some dumb ass parents lets their kid get in the face of an unknown animal (that is under control) without supervision (or asking) and the dog nips at the kid.

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Originally posted by Southflorida-law:

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Originally posted by rusbro:Come on man, you want to kill the dog to spite the owner?

Your fake ass "emotional support" dog bites my young daughter in the face, yes, put it down.

My post was specifically in reply to the post I quoted, which made absolutely no mention of aggression. The post was only a call that all fake service dogs be put down, and their owners put in jail for 366 days. I think it was off the cuff bluster, but worthy of being called out.

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Originally posted by Kevmo:
I will be happy to see this get addressed and the loopholes be snapped shut.

My son lives in an apartment where he had to pay a hefty additional deposit and added monthly rent so he could keep his dog. His dog is an giant awesome mutt who is quiet, clean and very well behaved. Meanwhile, his assbag of a neighbor went online and got a fake cert for $125.00 so his unruly, barks at everything and shits everywhere dog can live rent and deposit free.

Within the last couple of years, we get a ton of apartment applications from people with "service" animals or emotional support animals. They always threaten me with the ADA, that I'll be committing a crime if I deny them the apartment, yada, yada, yada...

Clearly seeing the dog is a pet (people should be more careful with their Facebook presence ), I always tell them that of course service animals are allowed. BTW, how is the dog at your work? Whut?? Yea, you see, to provide a service, a service dog must be with you. Ergo, the animal won't be in the apartment without you. Otherwise, it is just a pet.

That is usually the end of the service animal discussion.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
A friend of mine owns a bar. There is a guy that comes in there with a young female German Shepard that has one of those mail order Service Animal in Training vests, actually looks like its for a much smaller dog.

This dog jumps on people, play bites, etc. But because of that cheap vest, nothing they can do.

From the article:

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Service dogs can be asked to leave a business only if they become disruptive or are not housebroken.

Wouldn't that count as being disruptive?

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:

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Originally posted by Kevmo:
I will be happy to see this get addressed and the loopholes be snapped shut.

My son lives in an apartment where he had to pay a hefty additional deposit and added monthly rent so he could keep his dog. His dog is an giant awesome mutt who is quiet, clean and very well behaved. Meanwhile, his assbag of a neighbor went online and got a fake cert for $125.00 so his unruly, barks at everything and shits everywhere dog can live rent and deposit free.

Within the last couple of years, we get a ton of apartment applications from people with "service" animals or emotional support animals. They always threaten me with the ADA, that I'll be committing a crime if I deny them the apartment, yada, yada, yada...

Clearly seeing the dog is a pet (people should be more careful with their Facebook presence ), I always tell them that of course service animals are allowed. BTW, how is the dog at your work? Whut?? Yea, you see, to provide a service, a service dog must be with you. Ergo, the animal won't be in the apartment without you. Otherwise, it is just a pet.


That is usually the end of the service animal discussion.

That’s awesome.

Yes, service animals can be removed from a business:

“The handler is responsible for the care and supervision of his or her service animal. If a service animal behaves in an unacceptable way and the person with a disability does not control the animal, a business or other entity does not have to allow the animal onto its premises. Uncontrolled barking, jumping on other people, or running away from the handler are examples of unacceptable behavior for a service animal. A business has the right to deny access to a dog that disrupts their business. For example, a service dog that barks repeatedly and disrupts another patron’s enjoyment of a movie could be asked to leave the theater. Businesses, public programs, and transportation providers may exclude a service animal when the animal’s behavior poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others. If a service animal is growling at other shoppers at a grocery store, the handler may be asked to remove the animal.”
https://adata.org/publication/service-animals-booklet

Emotional support animals are much more restricted

“Americans With Disabilities cites that emotional support dogs or animals do not have the training to do specific tasks in assisting a person with disability or impairment, unlike service animals. Hence, the pets may not be allowed to accompany their owner in public places ie. restaurants, stores, hotels.
Are Emotional Support Dogs Allowed In Public Places? - ESA ...
https://esadoctors.com › are-emotional-su...

Emotional support animals must have a letter

“What the Letter Must Contain
Your letter must contain some details which will inform the recipient that you are:
A current patient of the signing mental health professional.
Under this mental health professional care and treatment of your disability which is described in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) of Mental Disorders Version IV or V.
Substantially limited in performing or participating in at least one of life’s major activities because of your disability.
Being prescribed an ESA as an integral part for the treatment of your current condition.
The ESA letter must be dated no later than a year from the date of your departure.”

Who can write the letter?

“ You must be certified as emotionally disabled by a psychologist, therapist, psychiatrist or other duly-licensed and/or certified mental health professional. This certification should be a formal and appropriately formatted letter.
Any other kind of doctor – a cardiologist, for instance – does not quality as a mental health professional because unlike a psychiatrist, other medical doctors are not specialists in mental health.”

https://www.servicedogcertific...onal-support-animal/