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If you'd ever qualified to enter an LE academy, you'd know that the toughest part of it aren't necessarily the physical, intellectual or even tactical challenges, it's internal. Finding the strength to overcome one's own weaknesses (whatever they are) and to cope with adverse situations properly is always the most important training such an environment can provide.

this is very true and it reminds me of a member of our academy who never saw his own "weakness"

why should he have to, he was #1 on the hiring list...i'm sure it had nothing to do with his mother being a big wig on the city's personel board

he never wanted help and always blamed it on other's failings and he was always quick to point out how other's weren't "up to the grade" during team efforts...does this sound like JaMarcus Russell of the Raiders?...he always said that his failing all the academic test was just the staff being hard on him. surprisingly he always passed after remediation

he graduated and the grapevine from the street said he was worst than hopeless...he was also useless because he always wanted to argue about what was the "right thing" to do. it was his mission to change the culture of the department.

the next time i saw him, he was in a holding cell awaiting arraingnment...i think it was drug charges. i guess he found something he could do better than others, because they said he couldn't do it. i guess he was wrong

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the next time i saw him, he was in a holding cell awaiting arraingnment...i think it was drug charges. i guess he found something he could do better than others, because they said he couldn't do it. i guess he was wrong

Another one. It's amazing how many criminals make it past all of those roadblocks that I would have no chance of making it past.

I guess he was better at walking the walk than I am.

I started the academy with a guy that I thought was the "perfect" candidate. He injured his back and not long after leaving the academy, committed suicide. While I'll never know the reason(s) why he took such a drastic measure to deal with his problem(s), I realized that if he was less "perfect" and more willing to be open to discussing his personal situation, perhaps he'd still be alive.

Another friend entered an academy class soon after I mine. Although well qualified, he dropped out within the first week due to a lack of self confidence. His agency gave him a civilian position and he got another chance about a year later. He passed the academy, enjoyed a great career and recently retired as one rank below chief.

Only those who have never faced real personal challenges (such as the academy), can discount the effort it takes to overcome them. It's always "easy" when you're just watching it on TV.

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Originally posted by a1abdj: It's amazing how many criminals make it past all of those roadblocks that I would have no chance of making it past.

Sounds like maybe you do have some history there? Failed applicant perhaps? There's few people more bitter than "wanna bees" who suffered rejection. With your psychological problems and probably personal history "issues", the closest you'd come to a police academy is your TV screen. Or maybe you sold a safe to a cop once?

Edited to add: That's it. I'm done playing. He's so pitiful that I'm starting to feel abusive.

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Sounds like maybe you do have some history there? Failed applicant perhaps?

Nope. Never applied. Police work never really interested me much. I could apply though, and I'd do well. I'm young, did well in school, fit, can pass a lie detector test, and can also pass a psychiatric exam. Notice I didn't say "could" anywhere in that last sentence.

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There's few people more bitter than "wanna bees" who suffered rejection.

Not really bitter towards LEOs. They're just another group of people with a job to do. I'm just bitter at those that shouldn't have been LEOs in the first place.

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With your psychological problems and probably personal history "issues",

I see we've moved from name calling to slander/libel.

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the closest you'd come to a police academy is your TV screen.

I've been to the local police adacemy. Just not as a student.

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Or maybe you sold a safe to a cop once?

All the time. I hate them all so much I usually give them a discount. I also have sold safes to departments, in addition to doing warrant opening work. I work with non-douchebag LEOs on a pretty regular basis. I try to limit my exposure to the douchebag LEOs to internet discussion forums.

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Another one. It's amazing how many criminals make it past all of those roadblocks that I would have no chance of making it past.

I guess he was better at walking the walk than I am.

i guess you missed the implied "raising above" the challenge of "you can't"

there was also the implication of what sometimes happens when you "know that you are better" that you've referred to.

enough string for you...so you're upset that they "think they are better" than you who "know you're better"

OK

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enough string for you...so you're upset that they "think they are better" than you who "know you're better"

Do they teach you how to twist someone's words to suit your agenda at the academy, or is that on the job training?

it's part of my zodiac sign

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it's part of my zodiac sign

Just checking. You really should support your position with quotes though. Although I think it will be difficult in this case.

Talk about twisting words. Lemme rephrase my question for you -- not that you didn't catch my drift the first time. Why is it you NEVER pop in on "fallen officer" threads? And no I'm not referring to that one time you jumped in and blamed the cop for losing his life due to a stuck gas pedal. The same issue that caused Toyota to issue a recall. Since you work with "non-douchebag LEOS" so much.

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Talk about twisting words.

Quote my twist. I'm not seeing it.

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Why is it you NEVER pop in on "fallen officer" threads?

The same reason I don't pop into a variety of threads. Is that a requirement? Do I have to pop in on those?

What am I supposed to do once I pop in? Comment about how sad I am that an officer died? I don't pop in to comment on threads about other people dying either. Death is so depressing.

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And no I'm not referring to that one time you jumped in and blamed the cop for losing his life due to a stuck gas pedal. The same issue that caused Toyota to issue a recall.

Yes I did, and I did so because if the police get all of the training that I constantly hear about, he should have taken other measures to control the vehicle, that may have ultimately saved his life.

Didn't say he was a bad guy. Didn't say he was a bad cop. Just said he should have known better.

Does that answer your question? In fact, why do you demand I answer you?

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Since you work with "non-douchebag LEOS" so much.

It's true, but I don't understand what that has to do with what you've asked.

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Nope. Never applied. Police work never really interested me much. I could apply though, and I'd do well.

Never interested you much? And yet you have the interest in jacking your jaw about things you know nothing about?

You "could" apply - wow, you "could." Good for you - a completly unprovable assertion. It's alway amazing to hear about what people claim they "could" do, if they wanted to, but they don't want to, so we should just take them at their word, that they would excel at something they have no interest in doing, have never done, and will never do. You got a lot of pats on the head and positive affirmations as a kiddie, huh? Congratulated on tying your shoes, and a lot of art works on display on mommies fridge?

Cowboy up, dickhead, or sit your lightweight ass down in the bleachers with the rest of the Monday morning QBs who've never set foot on the field, except maybe as JVS waterboy.

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Never interested you much? And yet you have the interest in jacking your jaw about things you know nothing about?

I know all about bad cops. So I'll continue jacking my jaw. You see, Cops, especially those in need of an attitude adjustment won't intimidate me into silence.

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Cowboy up, dickhead, or sit your lightweight ass down in the bleachers with the rest of the Monday morning QBs who've never set foot on the field, except maybe as JVS waterboy.

Very professional with the name calling. I haven't called anybody in this thread any names, yet it doesn't stop you from doing it.

I'm entitled to an opinion, and I'll state it as often as I wish. Not much you can do about it except throw your little tantrums.

I'll probably take a huge hit for saying it but it appears the fraternity is alive and well on the SF. Although not as serious as shooting someone, living in an OC state and dealing with LE that don't know the law is testament to some of the points a1abdj has made.

Let's see what happens to the officer in question but I'm sure he'll not face the punishment as if it was I to do it. My level of threat would have to be a whole lot more than he experienced from the information at hand to be deemed justified. With that said, that could be why SOME officers have the feeling of being "better" than I!

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
I'm entitled to an opinion, and I'll state it as often as I wish. Not much you can do about it except throw your little tantrums.

Yep, you're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean its worth any more than an ant turd. Expressing a bad opinion over and over doesn't make it any better, but there is an upside to everything, maybe you'll get carpal tunnel......

And I haven't even started on the name-calling, you electrically operated multiple axis oscillating pyrex glass purple dildo with knobs.

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you electrically operated multiple axis oscillating pyrex glass purple dildo with knobs.

That's a pretty detailed description, so I'm assuming you're intimately familiar.

Do you have one for personal use, or does your significant other need it due to your shortcomings?

Do you guys act like this on the job?

You guys stopped having productive discourse about two pages back.

I usually read these threads, and rarely chime in on them. But at this point, it's just a show. Like Maury. Someone hook me up with some popcorn.

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You guys stopped having productive discourse about two pages back

Well it's a little difficult to have any sort of productive discussion when the "professional" LEOs can do nothing except call people names and make false accusations.

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You guys stopped having productive discourse about two pages back

Well it's a little difficult to have any sort of productive discussion when the "professional" LEOs can do nothing except call people names and make false accusations.

As if your position has been flexible. You're caught up in an unwinnable argument. As are they. I don't think there's anything left to be said here.

I haven't gotten the impression that you've bothered to pay attention to what they say. And while I think they're paying attention to what you say, I don't think they're even trying to see it from your perspective. At this point, it's pure pissing match.

But by all means, continue. Maybe on page seven we'll devolve to insulting people's mothers.

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I don't think there's anything left to be said here.

Probably not. But I'm sure there's plenty more to be learned about these professionals. The longer it goes on, the more they reveal.

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I haven't gotten the impression that you've bothered to pay attention to what they say.

I have. And if you read the very beginning of all of this, I'm not only flexible, but have not pinned myself into a position, as the whole story really isn't known here. I have stated how my opinion would vary based upon the actual facts.

At this point there's not much to pay attention to. They are to the point of telling every non cop that they are not allowed to have an opinion on things cops do. They are also saying that non cops don't have what it takes to be cops, so they never will be able to have an opinion.