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But chances are good, that any one of us in the shoes of that officer WOULD get bail, and would get to continue to do our job and collect a paycheck.

Yes we would. But we would also be placed in cuffs, get a ride to the station in the back of a cruiser, get our photo and fingerprints taken, etc.....

I don't believe this is the same way most of the officers involved in these types of situations are treated.

The officer's already had his photo and fingerprints taken.

Do we holders of concealed carry permits also get the same treatment as that cop? We've been fingerprinted, mug-shotted, and background checked. If we citizen arrest some dangerous drunk or thief or assaulter and they resist and we shoot them, do we get the same treatment as that cop in the OP?

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The officer's already had his photo and fingerprints taken.

Yes, but probably not standing in front of the wall with the measurements on it. I also wouldn't get to consult with my union rep.

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The officer's already had his photo and fingerprints taken.

Yes, but probably not standing in front of the wall with the measurements on it. I also wouldn't get to consult with my union rep.

You get one better. You get an attorney.

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But chances are good, that any one of us in the shoes of that officer WOULD get bail, and would get to continue to do our job and collect a paycheck.

Yes we would. But we would also be placed in cuffs, get a ride to the station in the back of a cruiser, get our photo and fingerprints taken, etc.....

I don't believe this is the same way most of the officers involved in these types of situations are treated.

The officer's already had his photo and fingerprints taken.

Do we holders of concealed carry permits also get the same treatment as that cop? We've been fingerprinted, mug-shotted, and background checked. If we citizen arrest some dangerous drunk or thief or assaulter and they resist and we shoot them, do we get the same treatment as that cop in the OP?

I've seen exactly that after a self defense shooting. CCW guy walks the streets free until the Prosecutor decides not to take the case.

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You get one better. You get an attorney.

One that I pay for. They get a union attorney (at least at first they do).

This has me wondering. Has there ever been a booking photo showing a police officer in uniform?

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You get one better. You get an attorney.

One that I pay for. They get a union attorney (at least at first they do).

This has me wondering. Has there ever been a booking photo showing a police officer in uniform?

I thought you watched TV. Have you not heard the Miranda warning? "If you cannot afford..."

I mean, if you REALLY want a union rep, you could probably call your safe-installer union guy. Not sure how much good he'd do you. Me, I'd rather have an attorney.

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I thought you watched TV. Have you not heard the Miranda warning? "If you cannot afford..."

I thought that everything on TV about police work was fiction.

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I thought you watched TV. Have you not heard the Miranda warning? "If you cannot afford..."

I thought that everything on TV about police work was fiction.

I get my LE info straight from the source. "COPS."

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But I'm willing to bet that you won't provide the dates, times and locations of all those people you've pulled from flaming death pyres. Hell, you could Google a bunch of accidents and say that you were there, but then it would look like you move around like a serial killer. And this dead girl, what was her name? It had to have made the papers.

Does it upset you that you can't make me answer you?

This isn't third grade. Just because you taunt me doesn't mean I'm going to spill the details. I don't have to prove anything to you, and I'm not going to.

Are you the type of cop that will make somebody tell you what you need to hear? If so, do you just scare it out of them, or do you rough them up a bit? You know, show them who's boss. Make them respect you.

Maybe I've walked more walk than you?

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Hey he owns a firetruck. Have a cookie champ. Remember now -- no lights and sirens and obey all traffic laws or the jack booted thugs will rip you a new one.

See? More cops keeping it on topic.

Kid, you aren't even a blip on the radar. There are guys and girls her who've been shot at, shot, cut, beat, you name it. You aren't any different than some lippy drunk in the backseat, who is somewhere between jack and shit when it comes to really knowing what's going on.

You CAN'T prove anything to me. You got nothin.' You are lying, lack the balls to step up, or both. You're a stuck mic and dead air. Go play with your firetruck.

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Kid, you aren't even a blip on the radar. There are guys and girls her who've been shot at, shot, cut, beat, you name it.

I've been shot at, and beaten. Do I get partial credit?

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You aren't any different than some lippy drunk in the backseat, who is somewhere between jack and shit when it comes to really knowing what's going on.

Sure I am. I don't drink, and will never be in the back seat of your car. Stick with your toy, I'm not interested.

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You CAN'T prove anything to me. You got nothin.' You are lying, lack the balls to step up, or both. You're a stuck mic and dead air. Go play with your firetruck.

I could prove all sorts of things Sendec, but I don't need to prove anything to you.

For somebody as unimportant as me, I sure seem to garner a lot of your attention.

Why don't you ever answer any of my questions? Are you a dirty cop Sendec? Do you break the law? You sure seem to take it personally when anybody here points out a dirty cop. Should I expect to see your mug shot one of these days?

No - I'm confident you are lying.

Don't care.

No you can't

Because you're a jackass.

Because you are still a jackass. No. No. No.

Thanks for playing, you no longer exist.

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No - I'm confident you are lying.

Don't care.

No you can't

Because you're a jackass.

Because you are still a jackass. No. No. No.

Thanks for playing, you no longer exist.

Well you sure showed me. You may be confident, but you're wrong. You do. I can. I'm not. I'm still not. I'm not so sure you're telling the truth x 3, you're welcome, and I'm still here.

This thread reminds me why I don't talk about cop stuff on the Internet. Most of the people here are fair and open minded. However, some here are only interested in bashing, regardless.

It's funny but I would never presume to know as much about other professions as some do about mine.

One of the things that makes law emforcent unique is the personal violence. Statistically, you may be more likely to be killed cutting down trees. The difference is the tree is not looking you in the eye when he tries. And no one will be second guessing your actions with hindsight and days of discussion, when you had seconds to assess and act.

It's so frustrating when you can't pull someone thru the computer and discuss it more personally.

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It's so frustrating when you can't pull someone thru the computer and discuss it more personally.

Goodness! Are you a police officer?

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Most of the people here are fair and open minded. However, some here are only interested in bashing, regardless.

I'm very fair and open minded. And I only bash bad cops. The good cops have a hard enough job as it is.

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Do we holders of concealed carry permits also get the same treatment as that cop? We've been fingerprinted, mug-shotted, and background checked. If we citizen arrest some dangerous drunk or thief or assaulter and they resist and we shoot them, do we get the same treatment as that cop in the OP?

I don't know about your state, but in mine, the vetting proces for a non-cop CPL holder, on a scale of 1-10 is about a .5. For cops it's probably about a 6 or 7. Non-cops get to carry guns because they have a right to, not because they're "qualified" to. Most cops get nowhere near the firearms training they should due to budgetary reasons. And even if there was money, it should probably be spent elsewhere, like on driving tactics.

But training and vetting MANDATED for non-cops to carry a gun concealed is a joke. So, the short answer is, the fact that you qualified for a CPL really means shit even though some folks would like to think it gives them automatic good-guy status with the cops.

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But I'm willing to bet that you won't provide the dates, times and locations of all those people you've pulled from flaming death pyres. Hell, you could Google a bunch of accidents and say that you were there, but then it would look like you move around like a serial killer. And this dead girl, what was her name? It had to have made the papers.

Wow!! You want all of his personal information and yet you won't even tell us what department you work on. Doesn't seem fair, does it? Maybe you ain't jack shit either?

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One that I pay for. They get a union attorney (at least at first they do).

Not all police depts are unionized. Please don't over generalize.


Kevin

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It's so frustrating when you can't pull someone thru the computer and discuss it more personally.



Goodness! Are you a police officer?

Oh! The outrage and shock! Internet hyperbole!

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One that I pay for. They get a union attorney (at least at first they do).

By the way, how do you think union attorneys stay on retainer? The goodness of their hearts? I've been paying union dues weekly for 15+ years, ago with a couple thousand other men and women. I've not had the need to personally retain their services, but if I do, I've certainly paid.

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Oh! The outrage and shock! Internet hyperbole!

Or as somebody who's in the police business might say "a clue" as to what he's really thinking.

Maybe it's just hyperbole, but maybe it's a sign that a violent outburst is just around the corner. We're all well aware that the psychiatric evaluations can not be expected to catch this.

What if some point down the road, this guy pulls somebody out of a car window and has a "personal discussion"? Do you think a jury would look at a transcript of this forum and think what he said was just hyperbole?

I've seen some frustrated detectives have a personal discussion with a suspect before. It wasn't hyperbole.

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Originally posted by Solitar: Do we holders of concealed carry permits also get the same treatment as that cop? We've been fingerprinted, mug-shotted, and background checked. If we citizen arrest some dangerous drunk or thief or assaulter and they resist and we shoot them, do we get the same treatment as that cop in the OP?

Every case (involving the use of deadly force) is different and can't be lumped into one "class" or another. I've investigated cases where a citizen's use of deadly force was clearly reasonable and that person wasn't booked. (ie: Home invasion robbery) I've known of cases where an officer's use of force obviously wasn't reasonable and the officer was booked. (ie: Domestic violence) Great white sharks and guppies are both fish, but they aren't treated the same. So it goes for any use of deadly force.

Police officers and private persons are both restricted as to how and when force can be used to effect arrests. The laws do recognize differences in their roles and (at least here in CA) significantly restrict non-LEO's ability to make private person's arrests and overcome resistance. For the most part, CCW permits issued to citizens are intended for the very limited purpose of self-defense. Using deadly force to make an arrest could easily be interpreted (by prosecutors) as going beyond that purpose.

One has to remember that the purpose of an arrest isn't to punish the suspected violator. That's up to the judge, after a finding of guilt. Arrests are made to:
1) Protect the public from repeat offenses.
2) Insure the suspect will not flee the jurisdiction of the court.
3) Verify the suspect's identity.
4) Recover evidence (Statements, photographs, fingerprints, DNA, other physical evidence such as clothing).