The suburban self proclaimed anarchists came to town last night to play at being revolutionaries. Brown shirts have been replaced by the Black Bloc and their pointless vandalism. Violence in the name of crushing speech and dissent. Who are the real fascists?

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Originally posted by synthplayer:

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
A question for the cops:

How do you attack a riot?

Back in the 60s and 70s, it was dogs, firehoses, and billy clubs. I even remember an action at a relatively obscure college in Ohio that seemed pretty effective.

What is the plan nowadays. How does one break up a large riot like this? Or, do you just arrest targets of opportunity and wait for it to fizzle out?

It depends on where it's happening. If it's in California, the police are instructed to just watch, let it burn, and arrest anyone who defends themselves effectively.

I think security guards refer to it as, "Observe and report."

Yep, a grand total of one arrest during the riots - stores burned and looted, people openly assaulted on the streets, fires - ONE arrest. Ridiculous.

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Originally posted by sdy:
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/...ion-federal-funding/

UC Berkeley last year received $370 million in funding from the federal government

that is 55% of their research funding

Yeah, but how much of that goes to places like Lawrence Livermoore? That may or may not be research we want stopped.

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
Yeah, but how much of that goes to places like Lawrence Livermoore? That may or may not be research we want stopped.

Most of the fed funding is STEM type stuff. NIH, NSF, DoD, VA etc. Punishing scientists and their students for the actions of tens of people, most of whom aren't affiliated with the university, is foolish.

Lawrence Livermore ?

https://www.llnl.gov/about/management-and-sponsors

Laboratory Sponsors

As a national security laboratory, Livermore's funding largely comes from the NNSA Office of Defense Programs (link is external) for nuclear weapons stockpile stewardship activities. Support for national security and homeland security work also comes from the NNSA Office of Defense Nuclear Nonproliferation (link is external), the Department of Homeland Security (link is external), various Department of Defense (link is external) sponsors and other federal agencies.

Livermore also applies its special capabilities to meet other important national needs. Activities sponsored by non-NNSA elements of DOE include work for the Office of Environmental Management (link is external) as well as research and development projects for the Office of Science (link is external) and many other DOE program offices. Non-DOE sponsors include federal agencies such as the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (link is external), Nuclear Regulatory Commission (link is external), National Institutes of Health (link is external), and the Environmental Protection Agency (link is external), as well as State of California agencies and industry.

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that said, I have no doubt there is some important work funded by the research $ to UC Berkeley.

but having been once involved with funding to universities for research, there is quite a bit of low value / non-productive work funded and an awful lot of funding to "favorite" researchers

adding: I'll go "foolish" for a bit to shut down anarchy and mob rule at our universities

People need to follow those black hooded animals back to their holes and find out who they really are so their faces are all over social media and the net.

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Originally posted by Dtech:
People need to follow those black hooded animals back to their holes and find out who they really are so their faces are all over social media and the net.

IMO, anyone wearing a black mask (or any mask concealing their identity) should be treated as a violent criminal until proven otherwise. They are terrorists.

Here's how Ronald Reagan dealt with Berkeley protesters in 1969...Enjoy:




Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpg0UfpuUAs

DAM! Fix bayonets!

Someone needs to show that clip to Trump

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
Here's how Ronald Reagan dealt with Berkeley protesters in 1969...Enjoy:

My dad came home to Berkeley in '68 after three years in the army. He needed to get across town to get to work and found the streets blocked by the guard. The guy at the barricade said they couldn't let him through because hippies. Dad said he didn't have an issue running over people too dumb to get out of the way. They let him through. No hippies were harmed at least not physically.

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Originally posted by berto:

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
Yeah, but how much of that goes to places like Lawrence Livermoore? That may or may not be research we want stopped.

Most of the fed funding is STEM type stuff. NIH, NSF, DoD, VA etc. Punishing scientists and their students for the actions of tens of people, most of whom aren't affiliated with the university, is foolish.

This.

Most students are way too buried to be concerned with a protest, the rabble-rousers are drop-outs and undergrads in non-STEM courses who will eventually drop-out by their soph years. What we now know, particularly those of us living amongst this tire-fire, are the instigators marched down one of the perimeter streets of the campus, where a protest concert was going on near where Milo was supposed to speak; they basically started tearing the place apart and lighting flares once they hit Sproul Plaza. Students backed away but, stood around and watched, UCPD and BPD commanders already on a short leash by their respective command staffs were powerless to do anything as they'd be hung-out to dry if they dared issue some hickory justice. Much like we've seen in recent Oakland protests, along with Seattle and Portland, this is all the work of Black Bloc and BAMN. Trump's commentary blast should've been directed at Chancellor Dirks and the City of Berkeley for giving tacit approval for this shit to happen.

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Originally posted by sdy:
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/...ion-federal-funding/

UC Berkeley last year received $370 million in funding from the federal government

that is 55% of their research funding

How much in student loans? Seems to me cutting them will make the college suddenly pay attention. Plus all the rioting snowflakes will have to go home.

When Reagan was at his desk speaking, I couldnt help but think his gestures and mannerisims reminded me of Joe Friday.

We need more Joe Friday's

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Originally posted by corsair:

This.

Most students are way too buried to be concerned with a protest, the rabble-rousers are drop-outs and undergrads in non-STEM courses who will eventually drop-out by their soph years. What we now know, particularly those of us living amongst this tire-fire, are the instigators marched down one of the perimeter streets of the campus, where a protest concert was going on near where Milo was supposed to speak; they basically started tearing the place apart and lighting flares once they hit Sproul Plaza. Students backed away but, stood around and watched, UCPD and BPD commanders already on a short leash by their respective command staffs were powerless to do anything as they'd be hung-out to dry if they dared issue some hickory justice. Much like we've seen in recent Oakland protests, along with Seattle and Portland, this is all the work of Black Bloc and BAMN. Trump's commentary blast should've been directed at Chancellor Dirks and the City of Berkeley for giving tacit approval for this shit to happen.

To explain further, UCPD called in officers from other campuses in anticipation of trouble. UCPD refused to let the rioters advance beyond the plaza. They mostly held their line and dispersed the crowd. UCPD is charged with keeping students and buildings safe and largely did that.

The crowd then went downtown where they did most of their damage. Berkeley PD is responsible for that. BPD did very little in anticipation of things going sideways. They added a few officers near campus for traffic but nothing else. No line of cops in riot gear ready to shut things down. No preemptive mutual aid. I'll give them that this shit usually stays near campus on Telegraph but they weren't prepared for that either (I can't remember things ever going off like that downtown). Once the mob hit downtown BPD had to call every officer available in from their beats. There are 14 beats. I think I read today that each beat has 3 officers. Berkeley makes its officers do the job with one hand behind their back and their shoelaces tied together. Last night was a failure, probably by design, on the part of the city of Berkeley.

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Originally posted by entropy:
When Reagan was at his desk speaking, I couldnt help but think his gestures and mannerisims reminded me of Joe Friday.

We need more Joe Friday's

Joe Friday felt citizens shouldn't own guns.

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Originally posted by Floyd D. Barber:

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Originally posted by entropy:
When Reagan was at his desk speaking, I couldnt help but think his gestures and mannerisims reminded me of Joe Friday.

We need more Joe Friday's

Joe Friday felt citizens shouldn't own guns.

OK. Ditch Joe then.... Nevermind.

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Originally posted by Icabod:

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Originally posted by sdy:
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/...ion-federal-funding/

UC Berkeley last year received $370 million in funding from the federal government

that is 55% of their research funding

How much in student loans? Seems to me cutting them will make the college suddenly pay attention. Plus all the rioting snowflakes will have to go home.

A problem with cutting funding donthe rooting snowflakes go home is this: I bet the vast majority of those actually rioting were not students but outside hooligans, some of whom should have been shot dead for chucking bricks at people. I imagine some students got involved into the actual riots but I really wouldn't be surprised if none were students either.

Two words.... Bear Spray!

As usual, there is absolutely ZERO excuse for these fools behaving the way they did.

THe supposed "champions" or freedom of speech, or "tolerance" or "inclusive spaces" shows their ass again with their hypocrisy...

ALL of that damage, ALL of those injuries, and ALL of the people attacked and assaulted by this crowd is on the heads of the political leaders and brass of the police departments.

This type of thing is flat out unacceptable. The politicians have kept the police on a leash for far too long...

I'm somewhat of an expert in riots... I have spent over 100 days dealing with them on the front lines... Including, if you remember, 43 days straight of work days at least 12 hours long, some up to 17 to 18 hours, with no days off and even my bereavement leave cancelled after the passing of my mother in 2014.

Until the politicians grow a spine and understand the difference between a "protest" and a "riot" this will keep happening... or we vote the idiots out.

I'm slightly glad in a backwards way that this happened to Berkley. Then maybe the other side won't be as forgiving since it is happening in their own backyard... They now know how the rest of the country feels.

As soon as property starts getting damages, people start being assaulted, rocks or other objects get thrown at police, or the other absurd actions... it is NO LONGER A PROTEST. It is a riot. It needs to be dealt with RIGHT THEN, or it will both get worse that time, and the next time the people will be emboldened to go further.

Trust me. I can PROMISE you that the rank and file officers wanted to get in there and stop that. They just were not allowed to by the spineless folks in charge. And I promise that the rank and file are NOT happy about it.