With what President Trump has done & continues to do, it’s like I’m living in a country that I’ve never known before.

Long live President Trump!

Now if Trump would just order the firing squad for Bergdahl!

I think this shows that Trump genuinely cares about the RANK AND FILE military. The ones who actually fight our wars.

It's becoming clear that the REMF portions of our military establishment are nothing but Beltway rats who are party to the silent coup, but the vast majority of our military are heartened by Trump's actions.

great news!

Outstanding!!!

Thank God for President Trump.

Great news - Thank you President Trump.

I hereby motion that all JAG members must spend multiple tours in war theaters as;
1. Point on IED search missions.
2. Comfort JAG buddies as they die in his/her arms after being blown apart by an IED.
3. Knock on doors in a hostile area and introduce their self to whoever answers the door and ask them where all the bad guys are.
4. Participate in night missions in hostile areas, be the first off the helicopter and secure the area while the others wait for his signal. If he/she can not signal back it is safe, drop in a second JAG member to search for his/her body.
5. Guard any captured enemy combatants, preferably unarmed, and ask them if and why they have violated any of the rules of the Geneva Convention.
6. Discuss why they violated the rules of engagement and fired before being fired upon, and determine why they raped and murdered women and children in the village.
7. Put them in some remote outpost that is undermanned and attacked day and night. No sleep, no dinner parties.
8. Go rescue a wounded JAG buddy that is 100 yards ahead in the active battle field and carry him/her back to safety.
9. Ensure they are put into many different situations where they have split seconds to make decisions on their life or death. They die or the enemy combatant dies, quick decide. This is not a video game you don't get a restart.

I could continue - rant off.

About time someone had the military's back, and not because it is convenient or photo op worthy. Left wants to judge and destroy the honor of the people we put into these difficult positions, military and police alike. "Get it done but be careful how you do it or we will crucify you." Good job Mr President.

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Originally posted by dave7378:
About time someone had the military's back, and not because it is convenient or photo op worthy. Left wants to judge and destroy the honor of the people we put into these difficult positions, military and police alike. "Get it done but be careful how you do it or we will crucify you." Good job Mr President.

Irregardless of political leanings, there's plenty of officers and bureaucrats both in uniform and without, working within the 5-sided building in NOVA that simply don't care. They simply see prosecution as a stepping stone, they don't care about the issues on the ground, they don't care who they push aside or, fuck-over.

President Trump once again takes an aggressive common sense approach and fixes three injustices.

Let's all hope he didn't misspell anything in his twitter announcement. (and thus send CNN people into therapy)

So how does this work for Lt Lorance, does he stay in the Army, back to normal duty? Or is he just pardoned from his sentence and still gets drummed out?

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
Thank God for President Trump.

Ditto!

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Originally posted by medic451:
So how does this work for Lt Lorance, does he stay in the Army, back to normal duty? Or is he just pardoned from his sentence and still gets drummed out?

Despite serving 6-years in prison, he has no career in the Army; the best to come from this is his return of rank, benefits and rights. He may be cleared by POTUS, however any attempt to stay-in will be met with bureaucratic/administrative foot dragging, and actions that will require repeated challenging. While there's plenty of slogans and bumpersticker statements about the military being a brotherhood, its really a fraternity, which includes all the shortcomings of such. One of them is tribal ostracisation and alienation of individuals, particularly when the senior command has set the tone.

Sadly any chance at a real career is likely over. He could get off active duty and perhaps have a full career in the Guard or Reserves though.

I thought clemency was basically a get out of jail card, not a pardon?

This sure beats the pardon Obummer gave to Manning!

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This sure beats the pardon Obummer gave to Manning!

Obama didn't give Manning a pardon. He commuted his sentence...basically, releasing him with a conviction, but with time he has already served. (To the best of my knowledge) Manning was dishonorably discharged because of the court martial conviction.

These three guys...Lorance will likely be administratively separated. The Chief and the Major will be retired.

I’m good with the other two. But one of them got a free ride, the officer who ordered his people to shoot at unarmed people and none of his people testified for him. One of those who supposedly was under him at the time pointed this out. For me, that speaks volumes.

A pardon is a legal device that clears the penalties for a conviction or alleged crime, but it’s not a “didn’t do it” exoneration like “Oops: the DNA demonstrated you weren’t the rapist.” If someone is convicted of a crime based on the testimony of witnesses, not everyone in the military will welcome him back with open arms even if the President thought that the conviction and/or sentence was unjust.

As the expression goes, everyone has an opinion, and it’s not unusual for people from the bottom up to think thoughts—and act acts—on the basis of those opinions. I will be curious to learn if the pardon of the lieutenant gives him back pay and what would probably have been a more or less automatic promotion to captain, but I would be surprised if he goes any further, and assuming that he doesn’t just resign. Promotion boards and personnel managers have wide latitude in making decisions, and pardon or not, his prison time would be a major factor in those decisions. There may be some, perhaps most even, in his former military community who would be overjoyed to serve with him again, but I would bet a nickel that it wouldn’t be all of them.

It would take some very unusual personal interest by the President, and only as long as he’s in office of course, to ensure that the lieutenant’s career was not adversely affected by what happened to him.