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And now a "strange", not understood new virus/illness is killing people in Nigeria. Crews on the ground say it is not Ebola, not Lassa fever, and not the Coronovirus. People die within 48 hours of becoming sick.

https://todaynewsafrica.com/br...15-and-infected-104/


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And now a "strange", not understood new virus/illness is killing people in Nigeria. Crews on the ground say it is not Ebola, not Lassa fever, and not the Coronovirus. People die within 48 hours of becoming sick.

https://todaynewsafrica.com/br...15-and-infected-104/


From the article-
“but there are indications suggesting that the chemical substance being used for fishing in the affected community could be responsible”.

That’s my vote here, if such a substance is actually present.




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As we detailed previously, if travel bans to and from the infected parts of China turn out to have been justified then one country in particular may be worth watching, Ethiopia. Ethiopia’s Bole International airport is the main African gateway to and from China. On average 1500 passengers per day arrive from China every day. Ethiopia scans them all for symptoms which essentially means taking their temperature.

Given the propensity of Mainlanders trying to skirt quarantine controls, then bragging about it, Africa may be a ticking time-bomb.
Around 8:30 Winston gets to the point


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“The coronavirus causing a deadly outbreak in China has been named COVID-19, the World Health Organization has announced.

Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the director-general of the global body, announced the new name at a conference in Geneva this afternoon.

It comes almost six weeks after the virus was first identified in the city of Wuhan, China, in late December.

Since then it has infected more than 43,000 people and killed 1,018…”

https://mol.im/a/7991669



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“The coronavirus causing a deadly outbreak in China has been named COVID-19, the World Health Organization has announced.


Well nice to finally meet you. Kick off your shoes and stay awhile. How was your travels?


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"Free porn offered to quarantined coronavirus cruise passengers
Adult website CamSoda's vice president says his company is trying to ease boredom for impacted passengers"


https://www.foxbusiness.com/li...d-coronavirus-cruise

“They are not only dealing with the fear of infection, which is terrifying, but boredom,” said Daryn Parker, CamSoda’s vice president. “We like cruises just as much as the next guy, but without activities or human interaction, the boredom must be crippling.”

“In an effort to keep their minds off of the coronavirus and to help with the boredom, we’re offering passengers and crews the ability to have fun in a safe and controlled environment with camming,” he continued in the release.



We live in interesting times.


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Hot damn! Can't imagine being trapped in an inner room with no windows or balcony. That is indeed a nightmare, porn or no porn.
 
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I was just thinking late last year how the human race hasn’t had a decimating plague in awhile. We’re such geniuses at devising cures & antidotes. Ever think God is laughing at us? Smile


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I was just thinking late last year how the human race hasn’t had a decimating plague in awhile. We’re such geniuses at devising cures & antidotes. Ever think God is laughing at us?


I don’t totally disagree but the coronavirus is, so far, a really catchy flu. It’s not quite the Black Plague or Captain Tripp’s as much as this shit might scare the bejezzus out of me.


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Eek





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Now that is unsettling.
 
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I don’t totally disagree but the coronavirus is, so far, a really catchy flu.

That's more than a little inaccurate.

COVID-19 has an exceptionally long incubation period compared to most common influenza: 2-3 weeks as compared to 2-3 days. It's been found to be highly contagious during the incubation period, whereas common influenza isn't so much. It's killing otherwise healthy individuals in the primes of their lives, whereas most influenza mainly strikes down the very young, the very old, and those with otherwise compromised health. Lastly: COVID-19 has been tested to survive on some surfaces for up to nine (9) days--significantly longer than the average flu virus, which average more in the range of hours.



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Looks like the airlines are trying to keep numbers up by downplaying the value of scary paper face masks. Unbelievable, yet predictable.

From the article-

“He also noted that face masks were an "ineffective protection" against coronavirus, and would only be advised for those who were caring for someone who was unwell or coughing and sneezing themselves.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...-on-an-airplane.html




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Tri-Cities doctor trapped on cruise ship questions effectiveness of coronavirus quarantine

https://www.wjhl.com/news/loca...onavirus-quarantine/

Posted: Feb 11, 2020 / 11:05 PM EST / Updated: Feb 11, 2020 / 11:48 PM EST

YOKOHAMA, Japan (WJHL) — A Tri-Cities physician trapped with his wife on board a cruise ship at the center of a coronavirus outbreak says he is worried that quarantine efforts onboard are not working.

Dr. Arnold and Jeanie Hopland are among the approximately 3,600 passengers being forced to remain on the Diamond Princess cruise ship docked near Tokyo for two weeks.

Tuesday night, the Hopland’s told News Channel 11 that they are still in good health and receiving good treatment from the crew of the ship.


“The Princess cruise line has been wonderfully generous and helpful to every degree they can in a situation they were totally unprepared for,” Hopland said in a phone interview. “I just give them all kinds of praise.”

But Dr. Hopland said an additional 30 people were diagnosed with the respiratory virus on Tuesday, and he’s now concerned that efforts to contain the virus through quarantine are not working.

“This ship has become a real hotbed of disease and every day as more people are diagnosed I believe it’s evidence the current quarantine is ineffective,” Hopland said.

Hopland is calling on the U.S. Department of State to improve communication with passengers and families. He says emails sent by family back in the U.S. to a the designated point of contact with the U.S. State Department have not been returned.

“The U.S. State Department is not responding to people who are emailing and attempting to contact them,” he said.

Hopland now thinks its time for the United States to evacuate American citizens and manage a quarantine period off the ship.

About 174 people on the Diamond Princess have been infected including at least 16 Americans.


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“This ship has become a real hotbed of disease and every day as more people are diagnosed I believe it’s evidence the current quarantine is ineffective,” Hopland said.

Well said, Dr. Hopland.
What is the plan? Keep them aboard until everyone gets it?



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First @60 were infected, then double, now triple. Obviously there are folks that were infected that were not yet symptomatic but certainly not all of the current number. That ship must be absolutely crawling with fomites and virus/virus particles.

Unless it gets sterilized after every cruise (laughable), these ships are floating mass Petri dishes for a myriad of maladies. Wuhan coronavirus will just be another addition to the party. And I agree that it will simply be added to the annual list of illnesses. If it mutates as flu does, it would be really bad news for everyone in the planet.




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Update (0824ET): At this point, some of the world's most prestigious media organizations, including WSJ and NYT, have reported that health officials are probably undercounting the number of coronavirus cases in Wuhan.

After WSJ spotlighted the issue in a story published online last night recounting how officials turned away seriously ill patients who failed to pass swabtests, the NYT followed up this morning with a piece about Beijing's efforts to speed up testing.

Dr. Zhang Xiaochun, who works in a hospital in Wuhan, was in dismay. Her patient had been running a fever for nine days, and a CT scan showed signs of pneumonia — symptoms of the new coronavirus sweeping across the central Chinese city.

But a test to confirm the diagnosis would take at least two days. To Dr. Zhang, that meant a delay in isolating her patient — and getting potentially lifesaving treatment.

This past week, Dr. Zhang started a social media campaign with an urgent call to simplify screening for the new coronavirus. It was an unusually public effort that quickly found support among public health experts and the government as China grapples with one of the deadliest epidemics in its recent history.

"The purpose is to isolate and treat quickly," Dr. Zhang said in a telephone interview. "It amounts to extraordinary measures taken in extraordinary times."

To fix the issue, Chinese health officials are trying to increase the supply of nucleic acid coronavirus tests, which they believe to be more reliable than swap tests, which often don't go deep enough into a patient's chest to find evidence of the virus.

A major bottleneck has been a shortage of nucleic acid testing kits used to confirm the presence of the coronavirus. So Dr. Zhang proposed that doctors could first use CT scans to detect pneumonia and quickly isolate and treat patients who have it.

CT scans are convenient and can produce immediate results, Dr. Zhang said. Experts say people infected with the coronavirus would be likely to have lesions in both lungs.

Following a week of Chinese police rounding up anyone suspected to be infected and locking them away in an official quarantine, the rumors are that there are 10,000 cases in Wuhan who have been clinically diagnosed via CAT scans of their chest (as we explained earlier, swab tests being used in viral tests are notoriously unreliable), but haven't been included in the official statistics, as twitter user @fxmacro reminds us.

Even the WHO has warned that we're only seeing "the tip of the iceberg."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...treated-small-number



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Interesting to see how the virus spread to different continents.

Virus Fallout From Singapore Meeting Spreads Across Europe
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Coronavirus cases traced to a business meeting in Singapore have reached three European countries after causing infections in Asia, illustrating the challenges of containing an epidemic whose death toll is now higher than SARS.

A cluster of cases in France, Spain and the U.K. confirmed over the weekend all appear to have links to a French ski resort, where the infected people had contact with a British man who had just returned from the conference in Singapore. The meeting, which took place at the Grand Hyatt hotel, was organized by an unidentified company in January and attended by more than 90 foreigners.

The spreading pattern is reminiscent of the SARS outbreak in 2003, when a single infected doctor transmitted the disease to multiple people and it was then carried around the world. Malaysia and South Korea had already confirmed cases of the virus linked to the Singapore meeting last week, and the cluster of European cases indicates that the meeting has become a major seeding event.

France’s Health Ministry announced Saturday that a group of five Britons sharing a chalet in the Alps had been diagnosed with the virus, following their contact with a British man who attended the conference and tested positive after his return to the U.K. Both the U.K. and Spain confirmed further cases Sunday of Britons who had contracted the virus in France, with one patient being treated in London and another in Mallorca.

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Coronavirus: UK businessman linked to virus cases speaks out
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A British man linked to 11 coronavirus cases has spoken for the first time, saying he has "fully recovered" from the illness.
Steve Walsh, who remains quarantined in hospital, says his thoughts are with others who have contracted the virus.

He said his family have been asked to isolate themselves "as a precaution".

Meanwhile, Health Secretary Matt Hancock warned that the spread of the coronavirus would worsen before it improved.

"Dealing with this disease is a marathon, not a sprint," he told MPs in the Commons.

"We will do everything that is effective to tackle this virus and keep people safe."

Mr Walsh, from Hove, who works for a firm providing gas analysis equipment, caught the virus in Singapore and is thought to have infected 11 others at a French ski resort.

Five of the cases linked to Mr Walsh are in England, five are in France and one is in Majorca, Spain.

Two of the people who contracted coronavirus at the chalet where Steve Walsh stayed are Bob Saynor and his wife, Catriona Greenwood.
She worked as a locum GP at the County Oak medical centre in Brighton, which was temporarily closed on Monday.

Eight people have tested positive for the virus in the UK so far.
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This Is What Happened After One Chinese Company Rushed To Reopen After The Corona-Chaos

https://www.zerohedge.com/heal...n-after-corona-chaos

Earlier today, Rabobank's Michael Every laid out succinctly the dilemma facing Beijing, when he said that "China appears to have perhaps decided that the economic damage being wrought by a demand collapse and supply-chain shutdown is just too much to bear." As reported overnight, Xi Jinping stated that China will meet its economic goals AND win the battle vs. the virus, and Beijing is urging firms to increase output even as the capital itself is largely locked down – and other cities are physically locking people into their homes. That’s as even the US admits that the Phase One trade deal will be slow off the market due to the virus impact.

Of course, China is no stranger to Double Think: as Every put it, "a freely-floating, controlled currency; market-determined, state-directed interest rates; and free-trade mercantilism. Yet increase economic activity from here and the virus will spread, both internally and globally. Concentrate on just the virus, and the local and global economic impact will be enormous."

That, in a nutshell, was how Rabobank saw China's "dialectic that has no comfortable Fichtean synthesis to the thesis and antithesis" and concluded that "things are going to get nasty for economies and markets – especially with official WHO word that a vaccine is 18-months away."

Today, two days after China officially returned to work, we got the first confirmation of just how catastrophic Beijing's order to local enterprises and businesses to rush back reboot the economy could be, when Jennifer Zeng reported that a company in Suzhou reopened, and immediately at least one CoVid2019 case found. As a result, the company's 200+ employees couldn't go home and were immediately placed under quarantine. At least the workers managed to "organize" quilts for themselves.

This is just the first such case. Expect many more - especially across Hubei and its neighboring provinces - as latent cases of Coronavirus which were never caught and cured spark new infections and mini epidemics, all of which dutifully captured on a smartphone clip for everyone in China to watch and freak out even more.

Which reminds us of another comment from Rabobank, which last week explained why the dilemma facing China is "truly awful":

The quandary for China between releasing the quarantine straitjacket in days to stop its economy from getting truly sick, and allowing a virus like this to spread further as people start to mingle again is truly awful. There are no good options. For a world with a serious lack of final end-demand, and which has been relying on China, along with increasingly “Chinese” central banks, this is going to be a nasty shock either way that Mr Market is treating like he is Mr Magoo.

And since Beijing has no way out, especially since the epidemic is still raging despite Beijing's "doctored", no pun intended, infection and death numbers, expect China to unleash the most draconian censorship crackdown on any reports Covid-2019 has not only not been purged but is making unwelcome appearances across China's enterprises, which will be quietly put under blanket quarantine even as Beijing pretends that all is well and its economy is once again humming on all cylinders until eventually the epidemic reaches a critical mass and China has no choice but to once again admit the full extent of the social and economic fallout. And just like in the case of SARS, don't expect such "honesty" to emerge for at least several weeks if not months.


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a company in Suzhou reopened, and immediately at least one CoVid2019 case found. As a result, the company's 200+ employees couldn't go home and were immediately placed under quarantine.

Not allowed to go home... Are they expected to keep working, while under quarantine?
If they are all quarantined together, because one CoVid2019 case was found, aren't they putting at risk all 200+ employees?



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