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That's it!! 100,000+ people are dead in their homes. Nobody knows yet, because we are all sheltered in place! | |||
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So much for actually having an accurate number of US Chinese Virus deaths. Never gonna happen. Obviously the number will be higher than the truth: https://www.foxnews.com/politi...-regardless-of-cause ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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The question is rather complex. Of listed COVID-19 deaths with co-morbidities, how many died of the virus' direct effects like pneumonia? How many would have died of their pre-existing conditions at this time anyway? How many died because the infection worsened their overall situation where their body couldn't cope, though they might have survived any single problem? How many would have died at a later time of their existing condition, but their deaths were accelerated by the infection? Etc. Meanwhile my alma mater weighs in on the question how many of the total infections we're actually seeing.
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
That's what we were discussing here yesterday, but without the fancy Göttingen credentials. What we all lack is solid, reliable information; specifically the actual numbers of deaths caused solely by the Chinese Virus and more importantly the number of people who have been infected by it. When you divide former by the latter, you get a percentage that tells you how lethal the virus is. Because the Chinese have lied about this from the start, we cannot really know when the first person on our soil was infected. That meant that the denominator more than likely was artificially low. But given we do know of in unusually large number of people with severe flu-like symptoms that more than likely was the Chinese Virus in the waning months of last year, it now looks as if the plague came to our shores perhaps several months before the original estimation of late December 2019 and early January. That would make the denominator much higher and the resulting lethality significantly lower.This message has been edited. Last edited by: chellim1, "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Interesting report from Johns Hopkins: “Countries that have a widespread vaccination programme involving the Bacillus Calmette-Guérin (BCG) jab have a coronavirus death rate almost six times lower than nations that do not use it, a study reveals. The BCG vaccine was invented a century ago and gives immunity to tuberculosis (TB) — a bacterial infection — but it is known to have other benefits. Previous trials discovered people that receive the jab, which costs as little as £30, have improved immune systems and are able to protect themselves from infection.” https://mol.im/a/8197247 Serious about crackers | |||
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
Well, he believes life is over after 75, so we really shouldn't be providing ANY care to those people. https://www.theatlantic.com/ma...to-die-at-75/379329/ | |||
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wishing we were congress |
https://www.usatoday.com/story...llnesses/2960151001/ The majority of New York’s more than 4,700 deaths due to coronavirus were among men, and 86% of all deaths were among people who had underlying illnesses, such as hypertension and diabetes, new state data shows. The statistics released late Monday offered the latest glimpse into how the rapidly spreading virus has impacted New York and made it the epicenter for COVID-19 in the nation. Of the 4,758 deaths in New York since the first on March 14, 61% were men and 39% were women, the state Department of Health reportedon its new data portal. In addition, 63% of the deaths were among those age 70 and older, while 7% of the cases were those 49 and younger. And 4,089 of those who died had at least one other chronic disease, the records showed: The leading underlying illness was hypertension, which showed up in 55% of the deaths. Next was diabetes, which was diagnosed in 1,755 deaths, or about 37% of the cases. Other top illnesses found in those who died from coronavirus were hyperlipidemia; coronary artery disease; renal disease and dementia. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx hypertension - high blood pressure hyperlipidemia - abnormally high levels of fats (lipids) in the blood. The two major types of lipids found in the blood are triglycerides and cholesterol. renal disease - kidney disease | |||
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I've been saying that a lot. "One of your most famous songs, “Angel From Montgomery,” begins, “I am an old woman/Named after my mother.” What made you comfortable using a female perspective? Nobody told me you weren’t supposed to. Ignorance is bliss as a writer, I think. I always had an affinity for older people. I had a job delivering newspapers, and one place I had to go was an old people’s home. Some people would introduce you to their neighbors as if you were a nephew or grandson. They didn’t get many visitors, so they acted like you were coming to see them. And that stuck with me for a long time. I think I was 22 when I wrote that" https://www.rollingstone.com/m...-songwriting-126460/ | |||
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It's not you, it's me. |
I still don’t understand why we don’t know if you can be reinfected after recovering. Is that really that hard to find out? | |||
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I've worked in hospital labs for about 12 years now as a service person. In that time I've become very good at not touching my face and being very cognizant of what I touch and the order I touch it in i.e. I try to never touch my phone or laptop without clean hands. So now though I'm being forced to wear a little paper mask whenever I enter a facility. Not being used to this thing makes me touch it and my face 10x as much as I would have otherwise as it's constantly ridng up and touching my lower eyelashes or if I put it lower it pulls off my nose when I talk... Just my weak rant for the day. | |||
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Void Where Prohibited |
It's been stated several times in this thread that you cannot. Previous cases of supposed reinfection were errors in testing. "If Gun Control worked, Chicago would look like Mayberry, not Thunderdome" - Cam Edwards | |||
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It's not you, it's me. |
Must have missed it. My friend’s who had it still don’t know if they can be reinfected, that came from their doctors. My nurse buddy who is now in quarantine doesn’t even know if we can build immunity like other viruses. | |||
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Void Where Prohibited |
If you couldn't build antibodies nobody could ever recover from the infection. "If Gun Control worked, Chicago would look like Mayberry, not Thunderdome" - Cam Edwards | |||
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It's not you, it's me. |
So you’re telling me that people who have recovered from it can go about their daily business and don’t need to be in quarantine? | |||
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Yes, after a two week of no symptoms safety quarantine. We have workers at our hospital that tested positive and had symptoms return to work this week. "If Gun Control worked, Chicago would look like Mayberry, not Thunderdome" - Cam Edwards | |||
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It's not you, it's me. |
So they’re now immune? They can go lick door knobs in the corona unit? Honest question. | |||
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I would never lick a doorknob ... But yes, that's what our Infectious Diseases department has told us. That's the basis for plasma donations from recovered patients - the antibodies help people severely affected by the virus. "If Gun Control worked, Chicago would look like Mayberry, not Thunderdome" - Cam Edwards | |||
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It's not you, it's me. |
Well that’s nice to know. | |||
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wishing we were congress |
a significant issue https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...problematic-n2566543 Dr Birx: "The intent is right now if someone dies with COVID-19, we're counting that as a COVID-19 death," "There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition and let's say the virus caused you to go the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death." xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx difficult problem maybe a better approach is that a doctor has to make a call on each case: primarily due to Covid 19 or primarily due to xyz but Covid 19 present Then Covid 19 deaths are only counted when the China virus was the primary cause. Given many of the people dying are older and have general health problems this might be a better approach | |||
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And the IHME Model is now (8 April) down to 60,415 deaths by Aug 4th, it was 81,766 on April 6. Peak Resource Usage and Peak Death days all pulled in significantly. A 20% drop! Only in the Public sector would such grossly inaccurate estimations be acceptable. I understand new data is coming to light - but they should just then put a huge * next to the numbers and below say "* We Don't Know Much and are making it up as we go" | |||
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