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We just can't trust WHO anymore

Anymore? I am not sure the WHO has ever been a trustworthy organization.

The WHO changed it's stance...it was a "misunderstanding"...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/a...tic-cases-scientists

It reminds me of a game show "Who Do You Trust?"

this is one crazy story

https://www.statnews.com/2020/...s-in-scandal-emerge/

Researcher involved in retracted Lancet study has faculty appointment terminated, as details in scandal emerge

The University of Utah has “mutually agreed” to terminate the faculty appointment of Amit Patel, who was among the authors of two retracted papers on Covid-19 and who appears to have played a key role in involving a little-known company that has ignited a firestorm of controversy.

“The terminated position was an unpaid adjunct appointment with the Department of Biomedical Engineering,” a university spokesperson told STAT. Patel had listed the affiliation on both papers, published in the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine. The spokesperson declined to comment on whether the decision was related to the retractions.

The Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine both announced the retraction of papers on which Patel was a co-author within hours on Thursday. The paper in the Lancet, in particular, received widespread attention because it raised safety concerns about the drug hydroxychloroquine based on what was purported to be a huge amount of data collected from health records from hundreds of hospitals all around the world.

Among other consequences of the paper, the World Health Organization paused enrollment of part of a clinical trial meant to test the drug.

The lead author was Mandeep Mehra, the medical director of the Brigham and Women’s Hospital Heart and Vascular Center and editor-in-chief of The Journal of Heart and Lung Transplantation. Along with his co-authors, he had received the data from a small company known as Surgisphere , run by CEO Sapan Desai.

How did Mehra meet Desai, and become connected to Surgisphere? “Dr. Patel introduced them,” a spokesperson for the Brigham told STAT. The spokesperson said Mehra knew Patel “through academic and medical circles.”

In his tweets on Sunday, Patel said that he was related to Dr. Desai by marriage. “That’s old news,” he wrote. “Many people from the Brigham were at that wedding, and media knew about it.” The bigger story, he wrote, was that despite requests from other authors for data, he does not have information from Surgisphere, he wrote. On Friday, STAT had asked Mehra if Patel and Desai were brothers-in-law. “Dr. Mehra indicated that he learned of that relationship today,” Mehra’s spokesperson said.

After independent researchers raised questions about the papers, Surgisphere issued a statement defending its work. Both the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine reviewed the papers, and then issued expressions of concern. The retractions were issued after Surgisphere said it could not share its data with an independent institute Mehra had contacted to audit the data.

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Who is Surgisphere ?

https://www.theguardian.com/wo...n-hydroxychloroquine

A Guardian investigation can reveal the US-based company Surgisphere, whose handful of employees appear to include a science fiction writer and an adult-content model, has provided data for multiple studies on Covid-19 co-authored by its chief executive, but has so far failed to adequately explain its data or methodology.

Data it claims to have legitimately obtained from more than a thousand hospitals worldwide formed the basis of scientific articles that have led to changes in Covid-19 treatment policies in Latin American countries. It was also behind a decision by the WHO and research institutes around the world to halt trials of the controversial drug hydroxychloroquine. On Wednesday, the WHO announced those trials would now resume.

A search of publicly available material suggests several of Surgisphere’s employees have little or no data or scientific background. An employee listed as a science editor appears to be a science fiction author and fantasy artist whose professional profile suggests writing is her fulltime job. Another employee listed as a marketing executive is an adult model and events hostess, who also acts in videos for organisations.

The company’s LinkedIn page has fewer than 100 followers and last week listed just six employees. This was changed to three employees as of Wednesday.

While Surgisphere claims to run one of the largest and fastest hospital databases in the world, it has almost no online presence. Its Twitter handle has fewer than 170 followers, with no posts between October 2017 and March 2020.

Until Monday, the “get in touch” link on Surgisphere’s homepage redirected to a WordPress template for a cryptocurrency website, raising questions about how hospitals could easily contact the company to join its database.

Desai has been named in three medical malpractice suits, unrelated to the Surgisphere database. In an interview with the Scientist, Desai previously described the allegations as “unfounded”.

In 2008, Desai launched a crowdfunding campaign on the website Indiegogo promoting a wearable “next generation human augmentation device that can help you achieve what you never thought was possible”. The device never came to fruition.

The "WHO" has changed its name to "HUH?"

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
The "WHO" has changed its name to "HUH?"

I heard it was "DUH".

All I know is that I won't get fooled again....

At least it only took a couple of weeks to debunk this BS story and unmask this con man posing as a medical professional.

These libtard virtue-signaling a-holes were so quick to try and stick a finger in Trump's eye over hydroxychloroquine and stopped clinical based on 1 unsubstantiated paper! Looks like the trials are back on thankfully.

the 'dossier' all over again...

Arrived at my dental appointment. I just saw man and woman go by on a Harley.
No helmet, jacket, gloves or even long pants, but by George, surgical masks.

^^^ Haha, perfect.

I saw a jogger outside on a road all by herself wearing a mask

I see the bikers wearing masks

but it never fails to bring a smile to my face when I see someone driving a car wearing a mask

I am working under the assumption that the common thread between all of them is that they have IQ's slightly less than their pulse rate

I love it when they are wearing masks with their noses sticking out above the masks.

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Originally posted by Jim Shugart:
I love it when they are wearing masks with their noses sticking out above the masks.

There was plenty of that visible during the protests/riots/memorial services. As if a cloth mask isn't useless enough already.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
I saw a jogger outside on a road all by herself wearing a mask

I see the bikers wearing masks

but it never fails to bring a smile to my face when I see someone driving a car wearing a mask

I am working under the assumption that the common thread between all of them is that they have IQ's slightly less than their pulse rate

If by bikers, you mean bicyclists, then bikers and joggers would have IQs in the top 2%.

I would bet that if you ask the CURRENT mask wearers, 85+ % believe that the masks that they wear protect THEM......not others!!! Just because the information says different, they just don't believe it.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:

I am working under the assumption that the common thread between all of them is that they have IQ's slightly less than their pulse rate

If by bikers, you mean bicyclists, then bikers and joggers would have IQs in the top 2%.

He's obviously referring to a resting pulse rate.

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Originally posted by GT-40DOC:
I would bet that if you ask the CURRENT mask wearers, 85+ % believe that the masks that they wear protect THEM......not others!!! Just because the information says different, they just don't believe it.

The only thing the Borg (the mask wearers) are protecting is a narrative.

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Originally posted by GT-40DOC:
I would bet that if you ask the CURRENT mask wearers, 85+ % believe that the masks that they wear protect THEM......not others!!! Just because the information says different, they just don't believe it.

True to my understanding: masks are best at keeping an infected person from spreading, more than protecting an uninfected person from catching.

FYI-- everyone wearing masks with those valve/ventilators in them are spreading their germs every time they exhale. Those ONLY prevent contaminants from getting in, not getting out. They're not approved for any medical/health applications.

AZ is making the news for our spike in cases. Glad I have two acres to live on. Worse case I'll go hide out in my Bisbee place.

Because AZ is testing much more may be the reason for the 'spike'...

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Originally posted by az4783054:
Because AZ is testing much more may be the reason for the 'spike'...

Right, or there actually may be more cases as people relax.