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Notice how all these leftist, tyrannical governors and progressive lawmakers are using the Wuhan to condition the country to become more accustomed to socialist policies and realities. Citizens harrassed for just walking around, millions out of work and dependent on Big Brother, the government seizing assets, items like bread and toilet paper being rationed, the government determining who's essential and who's not....

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I guess everyone should be grateful I'm not in charge because I would be handling this like Sweden.

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It will be interesting to see what happens in Sweden over the next few weeks. Their doubling time is longer than that of many other countries pre-lockdown (just looking at the graph, it looks like every 7-8 days), but so far, they are still experiencing pretty consistent exponential growth.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Rest assured, we're plenty happy yer not in charge.

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James Woods on Twitter has posted some interesting cell phone videos and security videos that don't seem to be making it onto the news. I don't advocate a racist approach to Chinese folks, but there does seem to a few of them acting "suspiciously."

They are doing it on purpose. These people are agents... carrying out a mission.

I love James Woods and follow him on Twitter, but sometimes I think he goes off into Alex Jones land a bit. There is no indication of where or when some of those video clips were taken. Take off the tinfoil hats people... FTLOG

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That's the entire problem right now. If people would just follow safe social interaction practices, none of this shutting-down of things and extreme social distancing measures would be necessary. But they don't. And my bet is, once the restrictions are removed, they still won't....

Tell us, what then is acceptable in this "new world" we will find ourselves?

It's not a question of what is "acceptable." It's a question of what we have to do to avoid becoming infected and infecting others. Not unlike the things we learned to do centuries ago, when some bright individual connected the dots and discovered rats spread disease, so we needed to control the rat population. Well, some of us, anyway. Some cultures, not so much.

I think the Monkey is trying to point out that some rats are less controllable than others, particularly hungry rats.

Ok. Fine. But I wasn't suggesting anybody be controlled in the first place. I was suggesting that, unless people learned to control themselves, the infection rate will more than likely just ramp right back up.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Rest assured, we're plenty happy yer not in charge.

I was fully expecting that.

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It will be interesting to see what happens in Sweden over the next few weeks...
What if it doesn't progress any faster than places (like the US) that have voluntarily collapsed their own economy?

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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James Woods on Twitter has posted some interesting cell phone videos and security videos that don't seem to be making it onto the news. I don't advocate a racist approach to Chinese folks, but there does seem to a few of them acting "suspiciously."

They are doing it on purpose. These people are agents... carrying out a mission.

I love James Woods and follow him on Twitter, but sometimes I think he goes off into Alex Jones land a bit. There is no indication of where or when some of those video clips were taken. Take off the tinfoil hats people... FTLOG

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Originally posted by chellim1:
It will be interesting to see what happens in Sweden over the next few weeks...
What if it doesn't progress any faster than places (like the US) that have voluntarily collapsed their own economy?

If that happens then obviously everyone overreacted.

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Originally posted by Chris17404:
End game: Once we are well on the backside of the flattened curve, and enough people in the US have gotten the virus and recovered from it (60%-70% herd immunity) then things will go back to normal. This herd immunity coupled with a successful vaccine and treatment drugs will let us go back to normal. We went back to normal after Spanish Flu, and we will after this.

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And now we've circled completely back to the beginning of this debate, and what I argued from the beginning. Without a vaccine to inoculate the public to prevent the spread and/or to kill existing infection, social distancing is nothing more than trying to hold back the ocean knowing full well that's impossible. The minute restrictions are lifted, the infection rate will take off again. So do we....

1) Be restricted to our homes for the next year plus until a vaccine can be fully vetted and distributed, while the US economy craters leaving an environment far more devastating than the virus we've been hiding from, or,
2) Do we accept a certain mortality rate, try and protect those most at risk, continue to work toward a vaccine, but turn the economy back on and deal with what ensues.

I fear I know what the answer will be.

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With a greatly expanded testing capacity and more people actually taking this virus seriously, there's at least a possibility that, if we can get the number of active cases low enough first, we can control the spread of the disease with aggressive testing, contact tracing, and individual quarantine and much less restrictive population-wide measures.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by maladat:
With a greatly expanded testing capacity and more people actually taking this virus seriously, there's at least a possibility that, if we can get the number of active cases low enough first, we can control the spread of the disease with aggressive testing, contact tracing, and individual quarantine and much less restrictive population-wide measures.

Herein lies the rub: There are still going to be people getting infected in June, July, August, etc. So at what point do we remove all restrictions? We need to be looking further down the road than just this April and this May.

And, do we go through this whole scenario again in the fall, winter or maybe even next spring?

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by chellim1:
It will be interesting to see what happens in Sweden over the next few weeks...
What if it doesn't progress any faster than places (like the US) that have voluntarily collapsed their own economy?

If that happens then obviously everyone overreacted.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by maladat:
With a greatly expanded testing capacity and more people actually taking this virus seriously, there's at least a possibility that, if we can get the number of active cases low enough first, we can control the spread of the disease with aggressive testing, contact tracing, and individual quarantine and much less restrictive population-wide measures.

Herein lies the rub: There are still going to be people getting infected in June, July, August, etc. So at what point do we remove all restrictions? We need to be looking further down the road than just this April and this May.

And, do we go through this whole scenario again in the fall, winter or maybe even next spring?