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A very smart commentary.


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Johns Hopkins Doctor Marty Makary dismisses CDC Director Walensky's scarients fear-mongering.

"Most of the country is at herd immunity."

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Look at the facts: About 57 percent of adults are vaccinated and approximately half of unvaccinated people have natural immunity from prior infection. That’s why US cases have been plummeting, down 31 percent over the past 18 days.

To put things in context, during the mildest flu season in the last eight years, there were 24 million cases, according to the Centers for Disease Control, and approximately 447,000 daily cases during its peak week. By comparison, we’re averaging 49,641 daily COVID cases. That same mild flu season resulted in 280,000 hospitalizations. By comparison, current COVID hospitalizations as of May 1 are 34,905.

Let me be clear: COVID is not the flu, and we should not downplay the risk among susceptible people. But for the millions of Americans who are immune and live where the cases are low, the public-health threat is now defanged and below seasonal-flu levels. Given the harm of social isolation, we need to abandon the goal of absolute risk elimination at all cost.


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Well, unfortunately, we have this perception now that's being created by some public health leaders that we need to reach total eradication. We're not gonna get to total absolute risk elimination. That is a false goal and quite honestly it’s being used now to manipulate the public. We heard today again from our public health leaders that if we get to 70% vaccination, then we can start seeing restrictions removed. That’s dishonest. Most of the country is at herd immunity. Other parts will get there later this month. San Francisco had 12 cases yesterday, most asymptomatic. What do you call that? I call that herd immunity. And I think what's happening is our public health leaders are dismissing natural immunity from prior infection, which changes the path to get to more population immunity. It invokes mandates, it means kids may have to get it and it demonizes those that are hesitant rather than respecting their decision.


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Weekly Costco shopping trip update. Last week even though they had changed the mask requirements, every single person had a mask on. I live in liberal country, 80% blue. They won't leave the mask behind, even though I know they are all vaxxed. This week we dropped to 95/96% masked. The tide is very slowly turning.



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Without pulling my tinfoil hat too tight, I really believe there's an agenda at play here none of us are privy too.


And few in this country take the time to look at the information that is right in front of them.
Most people will never bother to read past a MSM headline, much less delve into the activities of the U.N., W.H.O. or World Economic Forum.
While these companies are implementing their agenda, much of America/World is still trying to figure out if they have been lied to regarding Covid-19. Roll Eyes

Take a look at a list of some of the Companies that are members of the World Economic Forum. They are members for a reason.

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United Airlines has announced that having the Covid vaccine is a REQUIREMENT of employment for new-hires. To say this makes me so fucking mad and absolutely FURIOUS is the understatement of the century. What in the absolute fuck happened to "my body, MY choice"?!?!?!? I guess that only holds water if it fits the Leftist Progressive agenda.


I hope employees sue the living hell out of them.


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Johns Hopkins Doctor Marty Makary dismisses CDC Director Walensky's scarients fear-mongering.

"Most of the country is at herd immunity."
For anyone with a functioning brain stem, this makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, thanks to the government and the media, most people are running purely on fear and can't absorb anything approaching reality or truth at this point.
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Originally posted by Skins2881:
Weekly Costco shopping trip update. Last week even though they had changed the mask requirements, every single person had a mask on. I live in liberal country, 80% blue. They won't leave the mask behind, even though I know they are all vaxxed. This week we dropped to 95/96% masked. The tide is very slowly turning.
Mental illness is absolutely rampant in this country right now, and government and their sycophantic experts, and bought and paid for media cronies, have taken even relatively reasonable people and made them totally neurotic. It's going to take a long time (if ever) for many people to get back to anything approaching normal. What is frightening though is that a huge majority of this country will likely be wide open to this sort of mental attack in the future.


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Mental illness is absolutely rampant in this country right now



My wife listens to this Christian musician and worship pastor's podcast each week and he stated it perfectly:

"There are a lot of broken people out there right now, but the problem is they think YOU and I are the insane ones for wanting to take off the masks and go back to living our lives as before."


 
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Originally posted by Skins2881:
Weekly Costco shopping trip update. Last week even though they had changed the mask requirements, every single person had a mask on. I live in liberal country, 80% blue. They won't leave the mask behind, even though I know they are all vaxxed. This week we dropped to 95/96% masked. The tide is very slowly turning.


Perfect timing Skins, I was just considering doing a report of my latest Kroger trip. Last week 100% masked. This week, I'm going to say 90~95% masked. My mask just slipped off my face as soon as I entered the store and counted 2 naked faces. I'm in a very liberal city and I'd bet most of the maskers have had the shot.

I agree the tide is turning. The powermongers got what they were looking for, a demonstration of public mass compliance. After this I think even some of the sheeple will balk at being told that It's time to diaper up again. That's my hope anyway.



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My mask just slipped off my face as soon as I entered the store and counted 2 naked faces.


Your mistake is even having it on at all. Everyone's default position should be bare faced. Just don't wear it. Let them ask you to wear it if they want.

Go about your life as if this charade is over completely as best you can.


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My mask just slipped off my face as soon as I entered the store and counted 2 naked faces.


Your mistake is even having it on at all. Everyone's default position should be bare faced. Just don't wear it. Let them ask you to wear it if they want.


I agree with your sentiment but I get by where I'm at by being a grey man. I'm focused on career and retirement right now. Once I retire... I'll have zero fucks left.

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Wow, this has to be one of the most absurd things I've read in quite some time. This is pure, grade-A, gaslighting horseshit. The balls on these people to really think that intelligent people will actually buy this crap has reached unbelievable levels. This is beyond laughable.

I'm sure all the people out of work or those in California or Pennsylvania or New Jersey who lost their businesses are well comforted by this article that says the "data" according to GDP numbers indicate places like Florida or Texas actually did worse than places like California. Sure. These people, like the dickhead who wrote this article, are sick.

'Lockdown' states like California did better economically than 'looser' states like Florida, new COVID data shows

Tue, June 8, 2021, 11:30 AM·7 min read

Like seemingly everything else in America, the COVID-19 pandemic has sparked its fair share of bitter, polarizing debates: over masks, over distancing, over vaccines.

Lockdowns are no exception. One assumption many Americans seem to make is that the more a government limits gatherings, mandates masks, restricts business activity and advises residents to stay at home, the more economic damage it will do.

Among the loudest of these voices is Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican who raised his national profile by allowing bars and restaurants to operate at full indoor capacity during America’s horrific holiday surge, then effectively banned mask mandates once Florida started to recover — all in the name of supporting business.


“She’s a lockdown lobbyist,” DeSantis recently said in reference to Democrat Nikki Fried, one of his 2022 gubernatorial opponents. Speaking at a New Smyrna Beach restaurant, DeSantis said Fried “would have had this business shuttered for the whole year. They would be out of business if Fried were governor.”

Yet for much of the past year, some experts have quietly advanced a counterargument: that economic activity is mainly affected by the rising and falling severity of the pandemic itself — not the relative strictness of the measures implemented to mitigate it. In fact, these experts argued, nonpharmaceutical interventions, or NPIs — a set of 20 government responses such as business closures, mask mandates and stay-at-home advisories that Oxford University rates according to stringency — can have an economic upside. The more the virus seems to be under control, the more eager people will be to participate in the economy.

Last week, this argument got a boost with the publication of a new report by economists at the University of California, Los Angeles. According to the latest quarterly UCLA Anderson Forecast, not only did big states with more stringent COVID measures end 2020 with fewer infections per capita, they also tended to post better economic growth numbers last year than states with fewer restrictions.

In other words, California’s economy actually fared better than Florida’s.

Yahoo News spoke with economist Jerry Nickelsburg, the director of the UCLA Anderson Forecast, to find out more.


Yahoo News: Is it now fair to say that so-called lockdown states performed better economically than so-called looser states during the 2020 pandemic?

Jerry Nickelsburg: That is correct. We generally view economic performance through the lens of gross domestic product. On average, GDP declined in 2020, and it declined everywhere. But those declines were smaller in states with more stringent nonpharmaceutical interventions than states with less stringent NPIs.

That’s the opposite of the conventional wisdom. In Florida, Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis is telling voters, in effect, “I saved the economy by opening bars and banning masks.” What made you suspect that the prevailing narrative — this idea that there’s a trade-off between public health and the health of the economy — might be wrong?

It was something that we started to see in Scandinavia. It's something we saw in the 1918-19 influenza pandemic as well. It seemed to be more than just a fluke.

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https://news.yahoo.com/lockdow...shows-153025163.html


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Loudoun SitRep June 2021

Me - Free breathing as I have been since March 2020

Friday: Purcellville Browning Equipment: <5% Masked
Saturday: Leesburg Home Depot about 80% masked; Giant about 90% masked
Tuesday: Purcellville Southern States about 30% masked

Conclusion: I'll keep to my normal routine.


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He's so fucking stupid. Agree.

How about the data be normalized? When Si Valley can largely work from home w/o skipping a beat, it's different. When you have rules for thee (Hollywood and supporting businesses) different from me (local restaurant), the numbers get skewed. When you have large scale farms (and other industries favorable to the left) that are deemed critical businesses that aren't subject to lockdowns, you get skewed numbers.

Again, the left just proving how superficial their understanding of the world is. The lockdown in CA wasn't really a lockdown; only smaller biz's got hurt. The left and their favored businesses continued to roam free albeit w/ masks.

BTW, I haven't worn a mask in 2 weeks. Anywhere. And some people at the market take off their masks once they see me not wear one.




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Wow, this has to be one of the most absurd things I've read in quite some time. This is pure, grade-A, gaslighting horseshit.


We funded it too. While their businesses and industry collapsed, they paid more out in UI and Fed sweeteners. So yes, the costal elites were able to telecommute or get 25-50% boost in income due to enhanced UI payments. It's possible that they supposedly 'faired better' but the states like FL saved more small businesses. Let's see the numbers of small businesses lost and percentage of people on UI, I'll bet you FL wins that metric.



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No worries - we will soon move past COVID and onto Aliens and some interstellar disease. The spin is getting ramped up right now. Big Grin
 
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It's possible that they supposedly 'faired better' but the states like FL saved more small businesses. Let's see the numbers of small businesses lost and percentage of people on UI, I'll bet you FL wins that metric.
Sorry, I've got degrees in Accounting and Finance, and minors in Economics and Computer Science, and worked for many years as a Senior Analyst plowing through mountains of data. Anyone with decent analytical skills and a set of actual ethics would come to a completely different outcome than the morons who lied their way through this BS. This piece was largely an attack on conservatives and conservatism in general but more specifically DeSantis in specific. The Left is desperate to destroy DeSantis before the next election cycle rolls around, and if they can crap on conservatism in the process all the better.


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some interstellar disease


Aha!! That's why Bezos is going to space! He's gonna go fetch it! Big Grin




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"Joints for Jabs"?? Roll Eyes

Washington State to Offer Free Joints Upon COVID Vaccination

Washington state announced that the Liquor and Cannabis Board will provide a marijuana joint to each adult that receives the COVID-19 vaccine in an effort to increase statewide vaccinations.

The board said Monday that the "Joint for Jabs" promotion would run from June 7 until June 12.

Customers ages 21 and up will have the opportunity to claim a pre-rolled joint at a participating cannabis location upon receiving their first or second dose at a vaccine clinic. Only joints will be able to be claimed as edibles and other products containing marijuana are not included in the promotion.

The board has also previously offered alcoholic products as an incentive to receive the vaccine.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...vaccination-n2590677



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What a pile of complete garbage (the author/article, not governor). I got angry just reading this article. I surprised he actually had the balls to cut off the UI.

Gov. Hogan’s premature end to federal unemployment benefits in Maryland must be reversed



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