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This follows the CDC head saying masks (holding up a flimsy surgical mask) are more important than a vaccine in protecting him against the Coronovirus.

And yet still providing 'zero' evidence to support that claim. I'm sick of the "Just believe what I'm telling you and do as you're told" crowd. Give me proof to support wearing a mask or as Para noted, go blow it out your asses!

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This follows the CDC head saying masks (holding up a flimsy surgical mask) are more important than a vaccine in protecting him against the Coronovirus.

Maybe because Trump is not too far away from getting a vaccine to the people?

I swear, when an effective vaccine comes out to the masses, the Democrats and RINOs will do whatever they can to discourage the use, that is how screwed up these people are.

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This follows the CDC head saying masks (holding up a flimsy surgical mask) are more important than a vaccine in protecting him against the Coronovirus.

Maybe because Trump is not too far away from getting a vaccine to the people?

I swear, when an effective vaccine comes out to the masses, the Democrats and RINOs will do whatever they can to discourage the use, that is how screwed up these people are.

As a doctor guest on Laura Ingram's show mentioned last night, the virus is burning itself out, and due to continued herd immunity, a vaccine may be irrelevant by the time it arrives. This doctor also mentioned that wearing masks was a total waste of time and accomplishes nothing.

How long would it take for the drug in the University of Pitt story to reach the public?

Yahoo "News" is pure leftist propaganda.

Yeah, I'm sure it's the stupid, ineffective, worthless masks (says so right on the package) that have caused a freaking 98% drop in positive flu tests. Sure. Certainly it couldn’t be that everything is just called the Wuhan virus. Couldn’t be that. No, no.

Assholes

Measures to control coronavirus have brought flu infections to 'historic lows.' Scientists want to keep it that way.
Alexander Nazaryan

Thu, September 17, 2020, 12:22 PM MDT

WASHINGTON — Lockdowns and protective measures like the widespread wearing of face masks as a result of the coronavirus pandemic have driven influenza infections to record lows, according to a new Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study.

The authors of the study urge such measures to remain in place in order to keep the flu from returning, as it customarily does with colder weather, which will soon drive people indoors across much of the U.S. “If extensive community mitigation measures continue throughout the fall, influenza activity in the United States might remain low and the season might be blunted or delayed,” the researchers write in their new study.

The study is being published on Thursday in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, a digest of the latest findings from the agency. The study looked at flu infections in the U.S. from late 2019, when the flu season began, to early 2020, when lockdowns began across the country in response to the coronavirus.

The study also looked at how the flu affected countries in the Southern Hemisphere, where winter lasts from June to August, using World Health Organization data from Chile, Australia and South Africa.

The findings show an astonishing drop in influenza infections both at home and abroad. In the U.S., for example, there was a 98 percent decline in samples testing positive when comparing the October 2019-February 2020 period with March-May 2020, a sharper and more pronounced reduction than the nation has seen in recent years. And even though seasonal drops in flu infections are to be expected, the new study says that “interseasonal circulation” of the influenza virus “is now at historic lows.”

The weekly average of positive lab results is now 0.2 percent, compared with 2.35 percent in 2019. The positive rate is usually between 1 and 2 percent.

Commenting on the new study, Sonja Olsen, an epidemiologist at the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said, “Actions to stop the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, ... could reduce the impact of flu this fall and winter in the United States if widely practiced. However, it is impossible to say with certainty what will happen during the upcoming flu season, making it important to prepare for both flu and COVID-19. Getting a flu vaccine offers the best protection against flu during any flu season, and it is more important than ever during 2020-2021 because of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.”

In late February most Americans became cognizant of the coronavirus, which originated in China and then spread to the Middle East and Europe. At first President Trump and many of his allies publicly maintained that COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, was no worse than the flu. To date, COVID-19 has killed close to 200,000 Americans. The flu, on average, kills between 30,000 and 40,000 Americans per year.

The three countries in the Southern Hemisphere included in the survey also saw “very low influenza activity” during their just-concluded flu season, a potentially encouraging sign for the United States. In those three nations, there were a total of 51 flu cases out of 83,307 samples tested. That made for a positivity rate of 0.06 percent, much lower than the 13.7 positivity recorded there between 2017 and 2019.

The decrease in influenza infection is a relatively minor silver lining given the human and economic wreckage caused by the coronavirus. Still, the precipitous drop seems to suggest that prophylactic measures, such as social distancing and masks, that target one virus can also work against another.

So why hasn't the Covid all but disappeared then too?

Public health officials have worried that a twin assault from the coronavirus and flu could overwhelm hospitals. “There’s a possibility that the assault of the virus on our nation next winter will actually be even more difficult than the one we just went through,” CDC Director Robert Redfield told the Washington Post last spring, in part because Americans could have to contend with both viruses.

Trump tried to have Redfield retract the assertion at a White House press briefing, but Redfield did not, instead backing up Dr. Anthony Fauci, the leading National Institutes of Health immunologist. “We will have coronavirus in the fall. I am convinced of that,” Fauci said at the same briefing.


The steps taken against the coronavirus are what could mitigate the impact of the flu — if people adhere to the protective measures that have been in place since last spring. “The use of community mitigation measures for the COVID-19 pandemic,” the CDC researchers write, “plus influenza vaccination, are likely to be effective in reducing the incidence and impact of influenza, and some of these mitigation measures could have a role in preventing influenza in future seasons.”

The mitigation practices urged by researchers have become familiar to most Americans, even as some have refused to adopt them: “face masks, social distancing, school closures, and teleworking.”

Trump has continued to rail against face masks, arguing earlier this week that there are sound reasons not to wear one. From a public health perspective, those reasons do not exist. He has also urged a reopening of schools for in-person instruction, dismissing arguments that it is not yet safe to do so.

The new study points to “growing evidence” that masks not only keep an infected person from spreading viral particles but also keep healthy people from getting sick. HORSE. SHIT.

https://news.yahoo.com/measure...t-way-182216307.html

No, goddammit. No more lockdowns, no more masks, no more jailing and fining people and businesses for not following idiot governor’s marching orders. Enough was enough two weeks into the lockdown. That’s all this has ever been about is isolating the people and trying to expand local government power. That’s not freedom, that’s tyranny, and we’ve had ENOUGH. I don’t give a rat’s ass how they try to justify it.

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Public health officials have worried that a twin assault from the coronavirus and flu could overwhelm hospitals. “There’s a possibility that the assault of the virus on our nation next winter will actually be even more difficult than the one we just went through,” CDC Director Robert Redfield told the Washington Post last spring, in part because Americans could have to contend with both viruses.

Hmmmm, where have I heard that tired BS before. Now they're trying to shove a mask on us to stem...the flu.
Enough is enough of this shit. These morons have been wrong almost 90% of the time when it comes to Covid, so its time to tell them to "STFU we'll take it from here."

COVID didn't work, neither did riots or the leaked interview, so now it is COVID numbers with the flu and masks.

I'm surprised that story says the crud originated in china and not the Oval Office.

Thank GOD it is almost over! Just a few more months until.....

... Heeeeeeeey

https://www.fox2detroit.com/ne...s-gov-whitmer-writes

Why are they worried about the FLU?

Nobody got the FLU in 2020 - just COVID.

Some folks have nothing else to do but worry, worry about being worried. To them I say, GTFO of my way!

And when will your dog have to start wearing a mask? Since dogs are C-19 carriers.
Supposedly.

The Covid-Cabal is obviously feeling a bit left out due to RBG taking a front seat in the news - so today - as the light at the end of the tunnel seems to be getting brighter...boom: CDC says coronavirus spreads mainly in the air, through respiratory aerosols and droplets

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-say...ainly-034950288.html

But didn't we hear this way back when? And then they said it didn't? Or it could be carried on the bottom of shoes and then it couldn't. Why would anyone listen to the experts now? It's been almost a year since this thing first showed up in China - we ought to know everything about it by now.



The coronavirus spreads most commonly in the air, through droplets or other tiny respiratory particles that apparently can remain suspended and inhaled, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says in new guidance.

The smaller particles, known as aerosols, are produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes, sings, talks or breathes and can be inhaled into someone's nose, mouth, airways or lungs, according to the CDC, which says that, in general, indoor settings without good ventilation increase the risk of contagion.

"This is thought to be the main way the virus spreads," the CDC has posted on its website. "There is growing evidence that droplets and airborne particles can remain suspended in the air and be breathed in by others and travel distances beyond six feet (for example, during choir practice, in restaurants or in fitness classes)."

Experts on aerosols and the coronavirus said the change constitutes a profound shift in understanding of how the virus that has claimed almost 200,000 lives in the United States spreads. However, the updated two-page explanation provided little new guidance on how to protect against airborne transmission.

Previously, the federal health agency had said the coronavirus spreads mainly between people within about six feet of one another and through direct propulsion of exhaled droplets that land in the noses and mouths of individuals nearby. The CDC also said — and still says — that people may become infected by touching something that has the virus on it and then touching their mouth, nose or eyes, but that touch is not the main way it spreads.

Researchers studying transmission of the deadly virus noticed the new guidance Sunday on the CDC's website, labeled as an update from Friday. As with some other updates, the CDC made the fundamental changes to its guidance without issuing an announcement.

The CDC did not respond Sunday to requests to discuss the update.

In the guidance, the CDC website says that in addition to wearing masks, washing hands and staying "at least six feet away" from others, people should stay home and isolate themselves when sick and "use air purifiers to help reduce airborne germs in indoor spaces." Previously, the advice was to maintain "good social distance" of "about six feet."

The CDC and the World Health Organization have long resisted the notion that the coronavirus spreads farther than about six feet through the air, with the WHO initially maintaining that airborne transmission occurred only during certain medical procedures. But in July, under growing pressure from researchers, the WHO acknowledged that the virus could linger in the air indoors and potentially infect people even when they practice social distancing.

Aerosol scientists have found mounting evidence — including "super-spreading" events such as choir practices in which multiple people were infected — that the virus can spread through microscopic respiratory particles. This week, the scientific journal Indoor Air accepted a paper for publication that found that many of the 53 choir singers who became sick after attending a March 10 practice in Mount Vernon, Wash., likely caught COVID-19 through airborne transmission.

Jose-Luis Jimenez, a University of Colorado Boulder aerosol scientist and one of the authors of that report, said in an interview Sunday that the CDC's updated guidance represented a major shift. Until now, he said, agency scientists have said that the virus is transmitted through the air when droplets shoot out of one person's mouth or nose in the form of projectiles, directly infecting another person.

"They changed it and didn't tell anybody," he said.

Donald Milton, a University of Maryland environmental health professor and an expert on aerosols, said in an interview Sunday that the CDC has gradually come around to the concept of airborne transmission as evidence has accumulated, and he noted that the agency has made unannounced changes to its guidance in the past.

"They've been paying attention and moving in response to research, so I'm glad to see that they're continuing and that there's nobody getting in the way," he said.

Without notice in May, the CDC altered guidance for reopening houses of worship, deleting a warning posted the previous day that said the act of singing may contribute to coronavirus transmission — a switch reportedly due to pressure from the White House. Friday's updated guidance identified singing as one of the activities that could produce infectious aerosols.

Jimenez and Milton said it's important to wear masks to reduce the risk of spreading and contracting COVID-19. They said it's crucial to make sure face coverings fit properly, so that aerosols don't escape or enter through gaps in the mask around the nose or mouth.

"Aerosols can travel farther than six feet, but they're more concentrated the closer you get, so standing as far away as possible reduces risk," Milton said. "The reason that bars have been such a big problem is that people get loud when they get alcohol onboard and move close together to hear, and you can't drink a beer or a shot with a mask on."

Milton and Shelly Miller, another aerosol researcher at the University of Colorado Boulder, are studying ways that singing and playing wind instruments might be made safer through distancing, ventilation and masking with various types of materials. The research is funded by national choral and instrumental associations whose members have been unable to gather during the pandemic.

Good ventilation reduces risk indoors, as does simply opening windows to let air circulate, the researchers said. Ceiling units that use ultraviolet light to kill the virus are also showing promise, they said.

Milton and Jimenez were among a group of researchers who drafted an open letter to the WHO, ultimately signed by 239 researchers from 32 countries, that urged officials to accept the possibility that aerosols play a major role in spreading the virus. The WHO revised its guidelines after receiving the letter July 6, saying that airborne transmission had not been definitively demonstrated but recommending that people avoid poorly ventilated, crowded spaces.

The CDC has now taken another significant step to acknowledge the role of aerosols, Jimenez said.

"The entire field of aerosol science is telling them that the understanding of ballistic droplets is outdated, and it's really aerosols that are spreading the virus," he said.

So if it is aerosolized, masks do shitall, short of them having real filters.

Fancy that.

The story changes constantly, the authorities contradict themselves, the numbers are obscenely inflated and frequently revised and the entire shit show is completely politicized.

Because of this and because of my familiarity with the utter incompetence and unending dishonesty of government at all levels, I do not believe one single word of what we're being told. No disrespect to the handful of forum members who've had (or have been told by their physician they had) COVID-19 and to the even smaller number of forum members who had friends or family die (or been told by the deceased's physician the deceased died) of COVID-19, but, I have actually come to a point where I doubt the existence of this particular strain of coronavirus at all.

You read that right, and I am not exaggerating this in an attempt to show my disdain for all that has been done to our society. I am telling you truthfully, I have come to a point where I'm not even sure that COVID-19 actually exists. I believe nothing we're being told about COVID-19. I believe nothing physicians are telling their patients or their patients families about COVID-19. I could not possibly be any more serious. Zero. NOTHING.

Naturally, this constant drum beat of "YOU AND EVERYONE YOU KNOW IS GOING TO DIE OF THIS VIRUS UNLESS YOU SEQUESTER YOURSELVES IN LOCKED ROOMS" manages to stampede the panicky cattle which unfortunately make up the greater portion of this planet's population and, so, here we are.

I think what should happen is that everyone should ditch their mask and we should go back to behaving as we were ten months ago. Open up everything. Stop behaving as if you can trust what you're being told by government officials and their apparatchik physician co-conspirators.

And take down those Goddamned idiotic salad bar sneeze guard plastic shields from all grocery store checkout counters and customer service windows.

Very prophetic Para...here is the CDC retraction...

https://www.clickondetroit.com...was-posted-in-error/

Imagine that

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am telling you truthfully, I have come to a point where I'm not even sure that COVID-19 actually exists.

Well, something has been very different this year from others. There was a massive spike in deaths in the USA this spring like nothing we've ever seen before. I think what we did in shutting down was monumentally stupid, but the numbers would suggest that the 175k ish deaths is not at all unbelievable. Unless of course someone is faking death certificates, but I doubt that.

So the real question is 175k that big of a deal in a country of 330 million. That's like 0.03% of the population. And it clearly attacked the weakest in the herd. I personally don't think it was worth it. For comparison, we lose 30k-40k people per year in car crashes, but no one cares.

Lie to me often enough or display incompetence often enough and this is what happens. Institution or individual, it's all the same to me. Lie to me or display incompetence over and over and I come to a point where I don't bother to even attempt to filter out the lies or determine competence. At that point, I operate under the belief that everything I am told by that individual or that institution is either lies or the product of incompetence. Then, if they say "go left", I go right. If they say "down", I say "up".

Therefore, in this instance, no masks. No "social distancing." No vaccine. No business closures. No precautions of any kind.

Shake hands. Hug your friends. Sit close to people. Share food. Mingle with crowds. These are things we were doing just ten months ago, before the liars, the deceivers and the incompetent starting striking fear into the panicky cattle. Go back to living your lives.