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No, and I will gladly admit that. I am not trying to play games. There are MDs on both sides of the issue, which is why I am not convinced yet. I need to see that double-blind 'gold standard,' where potential biases are eliminated, at least in the data (not necessarily the conclusions). (As an aside, I am interested to hear the MDs on this site's views. I know one has posted in this thread, but it might have been a while.). To me, it is an interesting discussion, and I will (and do) listen to both sides until I make up my mind. | |||
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I need to see a double blind gold standard study showing that closing schools and churches will save us all. Anyone seen those studies? The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People again must learn to work, instead of living on public assistance. ~ Cicero 55 BC The Dhimocrats love America like ticks love a hound. | |||
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TAllen01, I'm no doc,but if you've followed it, it's not as you describe. There were earlier studies that administered the drug to late stage severe cases. At that point it has little effect. Other studies that gave it early or even before positive testing came back had excellent results, especially when combined with Z-pak and Zinc. Look into it a little further, the more recent studies have been more favorable, especially when administered at right time and with the additional medicine, and zinc. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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Here's the most recent study I read, from the NEJM. It was not encouraging or favorable. Again, none are the gold standard (yet), but this was published within the last seven days, so to say more recent studies are more favorable is not accurate, at least based on the data I am seeing. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014 | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
You're welcome to doubt whatever you like. I know how this is going to turn out with hydroxychloroquine and all the double blind double talk in the world isn't going to change it. | |||
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I only read a few paragraphs, but it stated people who were on oxygen and people that had been confirmed for 14 days or less. The stuff I have read was using it at onset of symptoms, and in some cases before even receiving confirmed test results. That is the distinction. Think about it like a car. Let's say you notice white smoke coming out of your tailpipes and you get a check engine light that comes on. Person A immediately takes it to the shop and gets a new head gasket and fluids changed, car survives. Person B waits 14 days then takes it in, shop says it's too late, your head is warped, you need a new engine, or maybe it just blows up on the side of the road on day 13. Antivirals work very similar, when there is a low viral count they are more effective, when it's to the point they are hooking you up to oxygen and there are billions of viruses floating around in your system they are less effective. The idea is to treat the problem before it wrecks your car/body. ETA, this study left out one third of the treatment regime (Zinc). So it doesn't even apply to the information I was referencing.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Skins2881, Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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Japan, a model for how to handle this, is now having a resurge, or whateverthefuck it’s called now. They are blaming it on night life. What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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Regarding Hydroxychloroquine, what's behind the FDA revoking its approval for use in treating the Wuhan Flu? I get that some people may see some side effects, but isn't that the case for every single medicinal pharmaceutical item in existence? Edit to clarify: From EZ_B's post on the previous page - "Third, concerns have been raised by the FDA and others about risks of cardiac arrhythmia, especially when hydroxychloroquine is given in combination with azithromycin. The FDA based its comments on data in its FDA Adverse Event Reporting System. This reporting system captured up to a thousand cases of arrhythmias attributed to hydroxychloroquine use. In fact, the number is likely higher than that, since the reporting system, which requires physicians or patients to initiate contact with the FDA, appreciably undercounts drug side effects. But what the FDA did not announce is that these adverse events were generated from tens of millions of patient uses of hydroxychloroquine for long periods of time, often for the chronic treatment of lupus or rheumatoid arthritis. Even if the true rates of arrhythmia are ten-fold higher than those reported, the harms would be minuscule compared to the mortality occurring right now in inadequately treated high-risk COVID-19 patients. This fact is proven by an Oxford University study of more than 320,000 older patients taking both hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, who had arrhythmia excess death rates of less than 9/100,000 users, as I discuss in my May 27 paper cited above. A new paper in the American Journal of Medicine by established cardiologists around the world fully agrees with this." As I read it, this means the FDA doesn't have any ground on which to ban the use of the drug, right? | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
This friggen guy again Doctor Fraudci will have us all in moon suits by Election Day. Trump clearly needs to find a way to rein in this snake and shut him up:
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Lighten up and laugh |
I posted the link two pages back, but here is the full article from the doctor from Yale.
https://www.newsweek.com/key-d...g-it-opinion-1519535 | |||
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A Grateful American |
My take on this from all the infromation that we have had the past six month is that the vast majority get the virus and are either asymptomatic or very light to moderate effect (yeah, much like a flu virus). People that get very sick and recover, and those that do not, are of two classes. The first, co-morbidity that results in poor immune system response, and those that end up with "cytokine storm". And both of those are also similar in those who get an influenza illness. Then the issue of what measures are taken to "try to save" the patients. In many cases, those intubated and given all the drug treatments, may be (as Skins metaphore explains) waiting too long to address the problem. And that is also, pretty much a "two part" issue as most people either are not seen early onset, because of the already limited health care due to shut downs and only prepping to deal with "run amok overwhelmed healthcare services" (my translation; part of the failure of over reaction to hype and the subsequent lack of people and resources, that we otherwise would have had). And lastly, the "spike of cases" is simply the greater number of people being tested, and the natural result of those tests revealing an already existing hard number (that were unknown before all the testing). The destruction to the economy and the continual toll this charade has resulted in, is most disturbing. Greater still, is people who truly still believe that this is a "population killer", and the measures taken, currently being (re-)implemented and further (where does it stop) measures that are likely, providing the "power" to continue to fetter freedom and liberty. Fear. It is a most powerful drug. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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I wish we were giving IQ tests as frequently as covid19 tests, just so we can have a clear idea of how many morons we truly have. Hydroxychloroquine, as stated, has been given to millions of people to treat over a dozen different diseases including malaria for decades. In sub Sahara, we use it to treat all kinds of tropical diseases. It is not an unknown drug. What is frustrating, is that it has become a political tool. I expect it to be in Africa with all the NGOs pushing their agendas, but not here. Experienced MDs are stating what is working for them and now they are getting character assassinated? Who cares if they believe in flying spaghetti monster, Santa Claus, voodoo, or space monkeys? There is no magic bullet for migraines, and there certainly won't be for this. I swear this virus is turning into Marsha, Marsha, Marsha for some people. _____________________________ Off finding Galt's Gulch | |||
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>> Why has hydroxychloroquine been disregarded? The answer to that question is glaringly obvious—because Trump encouraged its use from the start. Year V | |||
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Exactly. This bullshit won’t die down until after Election Day. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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That is a B-E-A-Utiful response!!!! "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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Made from a different mold |
Just one quick question for ya: Do you think we'd be hearing anything about a new vaccine if nobody (and I mean not one fucking person ever) was ever going to make money off of it? Answer honestly and I think you'll have all the reason in the world for hydroxychloroquine + Z-pak and Zinc not "being an effective treatment"! Unass your head. The amount of money in play here is enough to create nations or at least control the politics of nations like ours. ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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Just got a news ticker stating Herman Cain died after being hospitalized for coronavirus. _____________________ Be careful what you tolerate. You are teaching people how to treat you. | |||
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wishing we were congress |
sad news https://www.breitbart.com/poli...le-with-coronavirus/ Herman Cain – our boss, our friend, like a father to so many of us – has passed away. He’s entering the presence of the Savior he’s served as an associate minister at Antioch Baptist Church in Atlanta for, and preparing for his reward. … Let me deal with some of the particulars of the last few weeks. We knew when he was first hospitalized with COVID-19 that this was going to be a rough fight. He had trouble breathing and was taken to the hospital by ambulance. We all prayed that the initial meds they gave him would get his breathing back to normal, but it became clear pretty quickly that he was in for a battle. We didn’t release detailed updates on his condition to the public or to the media because neither his family nor we thought there was any reason for that. There were hopeful indicators, including a mere five days ago when doctors told us they thought he would eventually recover, although it wouldn’t be quick. We were relieved to be told that, and passed on the news via Herman’s social media. And yet we also felt real concern about the fact that he never quite seemed to get to the point where the doctors could advance him to the recovery phase. Cain, who tested positive for the virus earlier this month, was in a high-risk category due to his status as a stage 4 colon cancer survivor | |||
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wishing we were congress |
This is a repost this video is long, but it is one of the best descriptions of COVIDS-19 and a particular way to treat it. | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
Re: Herman Cain, RIP Of course the narrative now is “he died because he went to a Trump rally and didn’t wear a mask“ SMDH | |||
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