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Australia update:

In Victoria, we have had a spikey rise in cases.
64 new cases overnight - pales in comparison to my Seattle/WA state, and other states too.

And as a result of the “... unacceptably high rates of community transmission and the unacceptably high rates of new cases” ... 10 suburban hotspots have been locked down again.

The orders will come into force from 11.59pm (AEST) on Wednesday, with residents only allowed to leave their homes for four reasons, including for work or school, for care or care giving, for daily exercise, for food and other essentials.

(source: news.com.au)

Makes for barely reasonable sense ... most of us have this figured out ...



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These moronic azzholes are truly making this BS up as they go, and deserve to be sued big time.


Have you seen the new Bogin, Munns and Munns commercial?

For those not local, this is a large personal injury law firm that runs commercials on TV. Last week I saw a new ad; "Was your business closed and suffered a financial loss due to COVID? If so, contact us, we may be able to help?"

It did not explicitly say they were going after the city / county / state government, but that is how I understood it.
 
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^^^^ Did you have a trip planned? My wife, kids, and I were supposed to visit the in laws in France in July. Ain't gonna happen. Probably not this year at all. I know my wife was really looking forward to seeing her friends and family.


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^^^^ Did you have a trip planned? My wife, kids, and I were supposed to visit the in laws in France in July. Ain't gonna happen. Probably not this year at all. I know my wife was really looking forward to seeing her friends and family.


At this point, I would hope most people are hanging up travel for the year. My wife and kids were supposed to go back to Taiwan this summer and we had to cancel that. Fortunately, we were able to do Chinese New Year as this started. I'm just saving the money for next year.


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Believe me. United would have LOVED to have flown y'all there. It's easy for government employees to shut shit down knowing THEIR means of making a living and source of income will NOT be affected. To whom do I go when my job gets axed and I'm furloughed to the street? Lina Hidalgo? Pffft...I wouldn't go to her for consensual coitus.



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It's easy for government employees to shut shit down knowing THEIR means of making a living and source of income will NOT be affected. To whom do I go when my job gets axed and I'm furloughed to the street?

It's not lost on most people that government employees continue to be paid, whether they are doing anything useful or mostly not...
They can shut the rest of us down, while remaining unaffected.



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This shit is just not going to end.

New Swine Flu Virus In China Has ‘Pandemic Potential,’ Here Are 7 Reasons Why

https://www.forbes.com/sites/b...ns-why/#31bd16841767




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Remdesivir Gets a Price Tag of $3,210 Despite Showing No Evidence of Decreasing COVID-19 Deaths

Gilead Science has announced the pricing of remdesivir to treat the typical COVID-19 patient. Honestly, $3,210 is not bad for a drug that was developed years ago that didn’t work for the intended disease. Drug development is expensive, and those costs need to be recovered. The price will become effective in July after the manufacturer donated the treatment through May and June.

There will be a two-tiered pricing system in the United States with patients who are commercially insured paying more. How much more isn’t clear, but for those on Medicare, the cost will be $390 per dose. The pitch is that this will reduce the number of days a patient is in the hospital by an average of four. Gilead Chief Executive Daniel O’Day estimates an average of $12,000 in length-of-stay savings.
Remdesivir

According to the NIH, remdesivir shows statistically significant improvement for those requiring supplemental oxygen in days to recovery. According to the clinical trial, it does not improve mortality rates in a significant way. Stated differently, people who were going to get better, get better faster. Those who were not will still die.

So while it can improve recovery time, it does not do what we would hope. It does not save lives. However, doctors and researchers are providing what could be lifesaving treatments that are not getting nearly enough attention.
Cytokine Storms

The Wall Street Journal and several clinicians have reported that a significant number of patients who contract COVID-19 become severely ill with a condition called a cytokine storm. This syndrome is an overreaction of a patient’s immune system that can mimic an autoimmune disorder.

An autoimmune disorder causes a person’s immune system to attack other body tissues. This process would explain the full range of symptoms described in severe COVID-19 as well as the persistent damage to various body systems that extend beyond recovery from the virus.

Dr. Thomas Yadegar gave the best explanation of this syndrome and how to identify and treat it in April. He acknowledges that severe COVID-19 can take two paths. One is in compromised patients who develop severe viral pneumonia. The other is a cytokine storm that causes the autoimmune response.

Then, Dr. Yadegar had treated over two dozen patients using the treatment protocols for the cytokine storm, and none had died or required a ventilator. To provide the treatment, he used immunosuppressants and powerful steroids. While this seemed counterintuitive, it worked to solve the underlying problem causing the immune system dysfunction.

Clinical trials from the United Kingdom recently supported his approach. Researchers there demonstrated that dexamethasone, a potent corticosteroid, demonstrated lifesaving results. Unlike remdesivir, it showed a statistically significant reduction in deaths from COVID-19 for patients on ventilators and supplemental oxygen.

The logical follow-up to Dr. Yadegar’s work and the U.K. study is to determine the differential diagnosis between severe viral pneumonia and cytokine storms if one exists. It may be possible they occur together. The NIH acknowledges the incidence of cytokine storms, which result in sepsis or septic shock. In a post last updated May 18, 2020, they note:

The data so far available seem to indicate that the viral infection is capable of producing an excessive immune reaction in the host. In some cases, a reaction takes place which as a whole is labeled a ‘cytokine storm’. The effect is extensive tissue damage with dysfunctional coagulation.

If the NIH knows this, why don’t most Americans? It seems to be the origin of the most deadly and destructive forms of the disease. There is also hope to treat it using the drug classes discussed by U.K. researchers and Dr. Yadegar. These drugs cost a fraction of what remdesivir does.

Hydroxychloroquine

Another drug that costs a fraction of what remdesivir does is hydroxychloroquine. It is used in combination with azithromycin and zinc. This drug was highly politicized early in the pandemic because the president expressed hope that it could be effective.

At that time, doctors in the United States who were using the drug combination were clear. It should be used early in the infection, especially in those in high-risk groups. However, the emergency use authorization given by the FDA provided the drug to individuals suffering from severe disease. As discussed above, many of these patients are suffering from a complex, multi-system illness that requires more than a drug combination that slows viral replication.

However, Yale researcher Harvey Risch, M.D., Ph.D., has done a review of studies where the drug combination was used in an outpatient setting. Five studies, including two controlled clinical trials in process, convinced him to conclude in his abstract (emphasis mine):

Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been used as standard-of-care in more than 300,000 older adults with multicomorbidities, with estimated proportion diagnosed with cardiac arrhythmias attributable to the medications 47/100,000 users, of which estimated mortality is <20%, 9/100,000 users, compared to the 10,000 Americans now dying each week. These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe.

His full study, published in the American Journal of Epidemiology, takes the nation’s health agencies and the media to task for overstating the risk for cardiac problems when using the drug combination. Dr. Risch’s calculations and the study results demonstrate that far more lives are saved and fewer hospitalizations are occurring when using it. The deaths arising from arrhythmias are very few.

He also makes a clear distinction between the two presentations of COVID-19. He states early treatment is focused on a viral replication problem that triggers the immune response seen in more severe cases. In an interview he said:

Interviewer: But the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 remains highly controversial. Why is there so much disagreement if it is effective?

Dr. Risch: I think that there has been confusion about treating the cold versus treating the pneumonia. These medications don’t seem to work so well for treating the pneumonia. As early as possible is crucial, within the first five to six days of symptoms.

As Dr. Risch notes:

The key to returning society toward normal functioning and to preventing huge loss, of life, especially among older individuals, people with comorbidities, African Americans and Hispanics and Latinos, is a safe, effective and proactive outpatient treatment that prevents ORIGINAL hospitalization in the first place.

Demand Answers

A potential solution to the problems presented by COVID-19 is a particularly good reason for the media to ignore his findings as well as not reporting Dr. Risch’s persuasive data-driven argument for using hydroxychloroquine in combination. That would allow everyone to go back to something near normal, and President Trump would be vindicated.

However, our national health agencies should have to answer the issues Dr. Risch raises regarding their failure to test in appropriate settings, the overstatement of risk, and the promotion of flawed studies like the one done at the VA.

These agencies are responsible for safeguarding the nation’s physical and emotional health. Ignoring the findings that Dr. Risch highlights is malpractice of the highest order. The next time Dr. Fauci in on television, someone should be brave enough to ask.

https://pjmedia.com/columns/st...id-19-deaths-n586084



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Honestly, $3,210 is not bad for a drug that was developed years ago that didn’t work for the intended disease. Drug development is expensive, and those costs need to be recovered. The price will become effective in July after the manufacturer donated the treatment through May and June.
On what planet is that not a "bad price" for a drug which may need to be taken by millions of people across the planet? Many of those people don't have the money to pay these obscene prices. Outrageous. I'm sick of hearing the arguments rationalizing the rape of people in need.

I'd take a flamethrower to these drug companies if I could. I'm sick of the scams, the excuses and the lies, all of which lead conveniently to outrageously high prices.

We created a superb medical system in this nation and then placed it out of reach for so many. There's a way for this to be corrected, but it would take men of principle, and those seem to be in awfully short supply in the world.
 
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Honestly, $3,210 is not bad for a drug that was developed years ago that didn’t work for the intended disease.

Based on the title and over-all message, I take that as tongue-in-cheek.

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We created a superb medical system in this nation and then placed it out of reach for so many. There's a way for this to be corrected, but it would take men of principle, and those seem to be in awfully short supply in the world.

Yes. Instead we have everyone trying to "get theirs" before the whole thing is socialized.



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This shit is just not going to end.

New Swine Flu Virus In China Has ‘Pandemic Potential,’ Here Are 7 Reasons Why

https://www.forbes.com/sites/b...ns-why/#31bd16841767


Every time I hear someone say "new normal" I feel like throat punching them, so I'll just say that we should be used to this by now.

China is a biological cess pool & has been releasing deadly viruses, flus, forest destroying insects, poison drywall, toxic toys, and anything else they can think of on the world for years. The only way to stop it is to nuke the place from border to border.


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Here's another example of the ridiculous pricing:

2 friends in Texas were tested for the coronavirus. One bill was $199. The other? $6,408.

It’s an example of the unpredictable way health prices can vary for patients who receive identical care.

As a precaution before a camping trip, Jimmy Harvey and Pam LeBlanc were tested for coronavirus at the same place in Austin. Their financial experiences, though, were very different. As a precaution before a camping trip, Jimmy Harvey and Pam LeBlanc were tested for coronavirus at the same place in Austin. Their financial experiences, though, were very different.
–Mary Inhea Kang / The New York Times

Before a camping and kayaking trip along the Texas coast, Pam LeBlanc and Jimmy Harvey decided to get coronavirus tests. They wanted a bit more peace of mind before spending 13 days in close quarters along with three friends.

The two got drive-thru tests at Austin Emergency Center in Austin. The center advertises a “minimally invasive” testing experience in a state now battling one of the country’s worst coronavirus outbreaks. Texas recorded 5,799 new cases Sunday and recently reversed some if its reopening policies.

They both recalled how uncomfortable it was to have the long nasal swab pushed up their noses. LeBlanc’s eyes started to tear up; Harvey felt as if the swab “was in my brain.”
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Their tests came back with the same result — negative, allowing the trip to go ahead — but the accompanying bills were quite different.

The emergency room charged Harvey $199 in cash. LeBlanc, who paid with insurance, was charged $6,408.

“I assumed, like an idiot, it would be cheaper to use my insurance than pay cash right there,” LeBlanc said. “This is 32 times the cost of what my friend paid for the exact same thing.”

LeBlanc’s health insurer negotiated the total bill down to $1,128. The plan said she was responsible for $928 of that.

During the pandemic, there has been wide variation between what providers bill for the same basic diagnostic test, with some charging $27, others $2,315. It turns out there is also significant variation in how much a test can cost two patients at the same location.

Harvey and LeBlanc were among four New York Times readers who shared bills they received from the same chain of emergency rooms in Austin. Their experiences offer a rare window into the unpredictable way health prices vary for patients who receive seemingly identical care.

Three paid with insurance and one with cash. Even after negotiations between insurers and the emergency room, the total that patients and their insurers ended up paying varied by 2,700%.
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Such discrepancies arise from a fundamental fact about the U.S. health care system: The government does not regulate health care prices.

Some academic research confirms that prices can vary within the same hospital. One 2015 paper found substantial within-hospital price differences for basic procedures, such as MRI scans, depending on the health insurer.

The researchers say these differences aren’t about quality. In all likelihood, the expensive MRIs and the cheap MRIs are done on the same machine. Instead, they reflect different insurers’ market clout. A large insurer with many members can demand lower prices, while small insurers have less negotiating leverage.

Because health prices in the United States are so opaque, some researchers have turned to their own medical bills to understand this type of price variation. Two health researchers who gave birth at the same hospital with the same insurance compared notes afterward. They found that one received a surprise $1,600 bill while the other one didn’t.

The difference? One woman happened to give birth while an out-of-network anesthesiologist was staffing the maternity ward; the other received her epidural from an in-network provider.

“The additional out-of-pocket charge on top of the other labor and delivery expenses was left entirely up to chance,” co-authors Erin Taylor and Layla Parast wrote in a blog post summarizing the experience. Parast, who received the surprise bill, ultimately got it reversed but not until her baby was nearly 1 year old.

The Trump administration has taken steps to limit patients’ out-of-pocket costs for coronavirus testing and treatment, using relief funds to reimburse providers for uninsured patients’ bills. Insurers are required to cover patients’ coronavirus tests with no cost-sharing or copayments. Alex Azar, the health and human services secretary, reiterated that commitment in a Sunday interview on CNN, saying, “If you are uninsured, it will be covered by us.”

https://www.boston.com/news/co.../covid-testing-bills



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Took my boy to the doc for some ear drops due to an ear infection. Doc mentions they are Covid testing on site, and asked if I wanted a test run. I declined.

In my boy's chart was written "diagnosed possible upper respiratory infection, parent declined Covid test."


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Took my boy to the doc for some ear drops due to an ear infection. Doc mentions they are Covid testing on site, and asked if I wanted a test run. I declined.

In my boy's chart was written "diagnosed possible upper respiratory infection, parent declined Covid test."


People are sometimes offended by the language used in charting. There is nothing inaccurate or judgmental about that note in my opinion. It's simply a much more efficient way to document the facts than: "I offered dad the opportunity to have XX tested for Covid-19 and he preferred not to do so"
 
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People are sometimes offended by the language used in charting. There is nothing inaccurate or judgmental about that note in my opinion. It's simply a much more efficient way to document the facts than: "I offered dad the opportunity to have XX tested for Covid-19 and he preferred not to do so"


Then why write "upper respiratory infection" when that was not a concern of the doctor or me. My boy got the routine checks, and that was never mentioned as a possible issue.


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Then why write "upper respiratory infection" when that was not a concern of the doctor or me. My boy got the routine checks, and that was never mentioned as a possible issue.


That's where the ear infection came from.
 
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Lina Hidalgo? Pffft...I wouldn't go to her for consensual coitus.


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