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Originally posted by MNSIG:
Here's something to consider when the MSM is screaming about the number of cases:


In recent days, the US has performed roughly 600,000 tests PER DAY

One month ago, it was 400,000

Two months ago, 200,000

Three months ago, 100,000

You think that might have some impact on the "spike"?

https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily

Of course!
The more you test, the more you find someone giving a reason for the panic to continue.

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Originally posted by midwest guy:
What’s up with the emergency alert to stay home in Bexar county Texas?

Their judge has said that case numbers are too high (10% + of the population) and now everyone has to wear a mask and stay home.....we are getting high numbers in Bell county but are only following the governors recommendation ie masks and restaurants are back down to 50%.

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Originally posted by braillediver:

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
Mr. bendable...I know you got a new watch or something that you're using to post.

I thought bendable was posting in haiku.

I thought he always did.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:

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Originally posted by midwest guy:
What’s up with the emergency alert to stay home in Bexar county Texas?

Their judge has said that case numbers are too high (10% + of the population) and now everyone has to wear a mask and stay home.....we are getting high numbers in Bell county but are only following the governors recommendation ie masks and restaurants are back down to 50%.

Yeee-hah. Waiting to see what happens with the state Republican convention - which will be held in Dem-controlled Houston/Harris County in the middle of next month. Then again, Austin/Travis County didn't wind up screwing with the count/senate district conventions yesterday.

First off I still don't believe we are able to control what this virus is going to eventually do, spread everywhere. This is why I don't like the idea of staying in shutdown, it'll be here when we come out.

Further it makes sense that the community spread will roll across the country over a long period of time as people travel, shop, and interact, even just to do essential things. That is all I think we're seeing.

Cases rising (Of course case are rising. More testing is occurring) while the death rate is dropping proves that herd immunity works and shutting down was a mistake. What should’ve happened is what a lot of us were saying in March and April. Keep the elderly, medically fragile and those with weakened immune systems (age-related or medically induced or otherwise) home while the rest of us go about our business.

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Originally posted by bendable:
Show me the post at 7:46,
They way
You would format it

In your perfect world, please

"In your perfect world..." Huh. Man...I wasn't trying to be a dick. And it's your 7:56 post...

Proposed formatting??

Ok...I will admit it, I was totally wrong. I said earlier that it (covid) would not be taken seriously, untill The death toll reached 1.4 million people. I waited until now to " They say " that the toll is now 2.7 million dead. But I don't think that ,that count can be totally accurate. It might very well be up to 300,000 off, One way or the other

But I still think that most Americans could make a considerable difference, If they chose to make Some other choices.

versus:

Ok
I will admit it,
I was totally wrong

I said earlier that it ( covid) would not be taken seriously,
untill
The death toll reached 1.4 million people.

I waited until now to
" They say "
that the toll is now
2.7 million dead.

But I don't think that ,that count can be totally accurate.

It might very well be up to
300,000 off,
One way or the other

But I still think that most Americans
could make a considerable difference,
If they chose to make

Some other choices.

I realize I'm a mere neophyte on here, but Jeezus Christmas...I wasn't trying to piss in your Wheaties. At the end of the day, IDGAFF. Peace out...

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Cases rising (Of course case are rising. More testing is occurring) while the death rate is dropping proves that herd immunity works and shutting down was a mistake.

From chellim1's post we have the biggest lie of omission we're not hearing from the media, our experts, or the lying politicos....

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On Saturday, Johns Hopkins University said the total number of cases in the country had risen to 2,505,593.

While some of the rise was down to more extensive testing, the rate of positive tests in some areas is also increasing.

Health officials estimate the true number of cases is likely to be 10 times higher than the confirmed total. The US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) said up to 20 million Americans may have been infected.

My bet, the number of cases is even higher than CDC estimates it is (how many times has a government agency ever been right on their estimates). In the meantime, the media is telling all of us to pee our bloomers, hide inside, and wear a hazmat suit everywhere we go because of this recent uptick in 'confirmed' cases in a few states, when the reality is the virus has spread much, much, farther then anyone is admitting. Though a huge lie of omission likely to insure the sheep don't stampede, this is also an enormous positive because it 1) means the mortality rate of this virus is substantially lower than we've been told, and 2) herd immunity 'is' occurring in large numbers (which should have been the goal in the first place).

One thing has amazed me throughout this thread. The intellect and reasoning here is exponentially higher than that found in our self-acclaimed betters in government or the media.

This would suggest that increase in testing, alone, does not fully account for the increase in recorded cases in Texas.



From:
https://sph.uth.edu/dept/bads/covid19-dashboard

I’m afraid college football is not going to happen!

^^^ And if true that graph proves even more firmly that herd immunity works and also that this virus isn’t as fearsome as they say it is. Think about it.

If it didn’t there would be people laying in hospital beds out in the hospital parking lots all over the country right now. Especially in states like Texas, Florida and Georgia.

You guys take it easy on bendable, please. bendable has his own way of expressing himself but he's a good guy and he is welcome in this forum, always.

My county continues to have a low hospitalization rate (2.44%) and low fatality rate (1.84%). Additionally, we have adequate bed space and ICU bed space so we're taking in COVID patients from other counties in the Houston metropolitan area (87% of COVID beds aren't residents).

Additionally, 11.2% of all of our COVID tests have been performed in the last week (i.e. testing increasing). Only negative is that percent of positive tests went from 6.5% to 7.3%.

I see that zipriderson is nearing completion of his one-act play, Six Degrees of Incubation. I hear that the plan was to open it off-off-Broadway, but it turns out that no one is willing to audition, since each of them may have been in contact with someone who may have been in contact with someone who may have been in contact with someone who may have a head cold.

I do hear, though, that Kevin Bacon is available...

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
^^^ And if true that graph proves even more firmly that herd immunity works and also that this virus isn’t as fearsome as they say it is. Think about it.

If it didn’t there would be people laying in hospital beds out in the hospital parking lots all over the country right now. Especially in states like Texas, Florida and Georgia.

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/

That's the "Texas Medical Center," the main huge hospital complex near downtown (about 20 hospitals) in Houston.

Also... herd immunity is what happens when almost no one gets a disease anymore because almost everyone has already had it (or been vaccinated, or otherwise had immunity conferred). If you have a bunch more (or even just as many) people getting the disease all of a sudden, herd immunity isn't doing anything for you yet.

.......And no where near everyone has been tested. If you could test everyone in the country at once, there will be millions and millions of people that will test positive (cases). Most people could have already had COVID. The fact is the hospitalizations aren’t as high as people said they would be RIGHT NOW.

Your doom and gloom charts aren’t working. Later. Time to go dine with a lady friend of mine in a packed restaurant.

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Originally posted by maladat:
Also... herd immunity is what happens when almost no one gets a disease anymore because almost everyone has already had it (or been vaccinated, or otherwise had immunity conferred). If you have a bunch more (or even just as many) people getting the disease all of a sudden, herd immunity isn't doing anything for you yet.

Read my last post that addresses just this. Herd immunity is happening (the CDC numbers and commentary all but prove it) virtually behind the scenes of all the gloom and doom, sky is falling, BS.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by maladat:
Also... herd immunity is what happens when almost no one gets a disease anymore because almost everyone has already had it (or been vaccinated, or otherwise had immunity conferred). If you have a bunch more (or even just as many) people getting the disease all of a sudden, herd immunity isn't doing anything for you yet.

Read my last post that addresses just this. Herd immunity is happening (the CDC numbers and commentary all but prove it) virtually behind the scenes of all the gloom and doom, sky is falling, BS.

Even if 50 million people in the US have already had it, that probably isn't enough for meaningful herd immunity (but would be solid evidence that we probably aren't going to end up with a healthcare crisis).

The required immune proportion of the population for herd immunity to kick in depends on the disease in question, but for the flu, for example, it's something like 50-70% (the 50% number in the article is based on R0=2, although the article also lists the R0 for flu as being 2-3. R0=3 gives a 67% threshold). For something like measles, which is horrifically contagious, it is more like 90%.

https://www.quantamagazine.org...d-immunity-20180205/

We can do a back-of-the-envelope sanity check on the herd immunity percentage for flu by considering that in the US, about 40% of people get vaccinated each year, and about 10-20% of the population gets the flu each year, meaning at the end of a typical flu season, around 50-60% of the population has been either vaccinated or infected.

Doesn't the theory of herd immunity rely heavily on certainty of antibodies preventing recurrence over the long term? IOW not just a few weeks or months?

"Herd Immunity" would be 70%-80% of the population already had it.

Everything now is about justifying "What they did" not what the virus "Is Doing".