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benny6: How you doing brother? You are the only known positive on the board that I know of. Hoping you are still well.

He posted in his M1 Garand build topic. He is our Josie Wales now so no 10 men.. . Besides, I think he is a US Marine so not even a fair fight against the killer virus.

Interesting read here: https://www.usatoday.com/story...d-column/2898324001/

Basically says its to late to contain COVID so let’s get back to life and deal with it. As soon as we end shelter in place the virus comes back. We are quickly approaching the point of no return for the economy for many millions of people. Time to improve the healthcare system at the state level and get healthier as a society.

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Good news??

On Friday Dr. Deborah Birx, the U.S. coronavirus response coordinator, praised California and Washington state for their social distancing efforts, claiming that they may have already slowed the spread of the virus and should serve as models for the rest of the nation.

“We really do appreciate the work of the citizens of California and Washington state, because we do see that their curve is different,” Birx said at the daily White House briefing. “Their curve is different from New York, New Jersey and Connecticut — and we really believe that the work that every citizen is doing in those states is making a difference.”

Nationally, the numbers have been devastating. More than 273,000 confirmed COVID-19 cases across the United States, with a staggering 100,000 in New York alone. A death toll — roughly 7,000 at last count — that has already doubled 9/11’s. And grim new estimates from the Trump administration that predict the deadly pathogen could eventually kill between 100,000 and 240,000 Americans — assuming the U.S. does everything right.

Yet in recent days, a few bright spots have started to flicker amid the statistical gloom. They come from various sources: internet-connected thermometers; smartphone GPS data; a study by private researchers in Bellevue, Wash.; state-by-state projections from the University of Washington; reports from hospitals in the San Francisco Bay Area.

All of this new information points to the same hopeful, if tentative, conclusion. In areas of America that caught the coronavirus early in its trajectory — and quickly implemented the sort of strict, sweeping social distancing measures recommended by public health officials — the curve may be starting to bend. The virus may be starting to spread more slowly. Staying home may be starting to work.

And as Birx has been telling the public all week, the two states to watch are Washington and California. For now, only 8 percent of COVID-19 tests there are coming back positive — compared to 35 percent in New York and New Jersey, 26 percent in Louisiana and 15 percent in Michigan, Connecticut, Indiana, Georgia and Illinois.

Meanwhile Fauci is out there telling Anderson Cooper he can't understand why there has not been a national stay at home stay inside order issued yet. He is clearly trying to publicly pressure Trump to do what in his opinion needs to be done.

Trump is going to have to break ranks with Fauci sooner than later and just bear the brunt of the media shit storm to follow.

Iowa's Republican gov is getting pressured to issue a shelter in place order. The flaming liberal paper printed this opinion piece disguised as an article from - shocker- a Demokrat.

https://www.desmoinesregister....ans-safe/2940044001/

Sen. Celsi: Shelter-in-place order is needed to keep Iowans safe

Sen. Claire Celsi
Special to the Register
Published 11:41 p.m. CT April 3, 2020

Since the legislature adjourned, I’ve been keeping myself busy at home, alternating between and answering constituent email and phone calls, posting COVID-19 information on Facebook and spring cleaning my home.

I’ve been noticing the heroes in the community, resolutely providing essential services. Thank you to our first responders, medical professionals, food service and grocery workers. You are providing the life support for our modified economy, and we couldn’t function without you.

Many citizens are doing their small part to help. They are checking on elderly neighbors, delivering groceries and food and social distancing by staying home most of the time. Those taking the isolation recommendations seriously are helping to keep the spread of the virus in check. Every small effort made adds up to a big difference in the number of illnesses and fatalities.

Unfortunately, I’ve also noticed large groups of people who clearly don’t understand what they are being asked to do. Gov. Reynolds has begged and implored and cajoled Iowans to voluntarily stay and home and according to her, ”Do the right thing.” Unfortunately, many folks have not received the memo.

Gov. Reynolds says she is guided by data in her decision-making process. Clearly, she must have another set of data in front of her. What I am reading and seeing is serious and frightening. The governor is not giving the people of Iowa responsible direction. She is leaving many decisions up to Iowans who do not take this pandemic seriously. They are taking family outings to Bass Pro Shop. They are playing basketball with neighbors. They are playing soccer in large groups.

As it stands now, we have huge holes in our social distancing plan. If you give people options to be out and about, they will ignore medical advice and take those opportunities. It’s a big game of monkey-see, monkey-do. It is Gov. Reynolds’ responsibility to lead. That means taking the responsible step and issuing a shelter-in-place order.

Shelter-in-place is a state mandated order to stay at home except to buy food or seek medical care. Pretty much everything else is not allowed. Social gatherings are forbidden.

The key to success is having everyone follow the same rules at the same time. If everyone cooperates, the transmission of COVID-19 can be slowed down dramatically. Many workplaces that are now open would be forced to close or have employees work from home.

Some of Iowa’s largest employers, such as Principal Financial Group, are already complying with work-from-home guidelines, but many more are not.

Employees are being forced to show up in large office buildings, sharing common spaces like elevators, staircases and restrooms. Some are forced to sit close together while doing their jobs, which is not compliant with social distancing orders. Under a shelter-in-place order, most of those businesses would need to temporarily shut down or decrease operations to a skeleton crew.

Gov. Reynolds has a big decision to make. I hope she does the right thing.


STATE SEN.CLAIRE CELSI, D-West Des Moines, represents District 21, which includes portions of Des Moines’ south and west sides, West Des Moines and Cumming. She can be reached at 515-281-3371 or claire.celsi@legis.iowa.gov.

Where is that article from chellim1?

It is interesting that they are comparing the “death toll” from a medical disease to that of a well-planned and nefarious terrorist attack.

WTF?!

Why no apples-to-apples comparison (unless of course the WuFlu is a terrorist attack)?

It's not a flu, and zero credible sources think it was made in a Chinese lab.

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Nationally, the numbers have been devastating.

No, the economic annihilation that we have wrought is what's devastating to far more Americans.

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— that has already doubled 9/11’s.

What a pathetic and shameful talking point. This comparison to 9/11 is irrelevant and is frankly a lazy, simpleminded attempt to appeal to the emotionally vulnerable. It's gross.

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Where is that article from chellim1?

It is interesting that they are comparing the “death toll” from a medical disease to that of a well-planned and nefarious terrorist attack.

WTF?!

Why no apples-to-apples comparison (unless of course the WuFlu is a terrorist attack)?

I stated a number of pages ago that I wouldn't be surprised if the Chicoms sent thousands of infected people all over the world intentionally. There's nothing to show that, but it wouldn't surprise me.

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Meanwhile Fauci is out there telling Anderson Cooper he can't understand why there has not been a national stay at home stay inside order issued yet. He is clearly trying to publicly pressure Trump to do what in his opinion needs to be done.

Trump is going to have to break ranks with Fauci sooner than later and just bear the brunt of the media shit storm to follow.

I totally agree. That is pretty much what I've been saying as well. Fauci has become an attention whore and needs to understand his job is to provide advice...not to make decisions on policy which he more and more seems to be attempting.

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Interesting read here: https://www.usatoday.com/story...d-column/2898324001/

Basically says its to late to contain COVID so let’s get back to life and deal with it. As soon as we end shelter in place the virus comes back. We are quickly approaching the point of no return for the economy and many millions of people. Time to take our medicine and learn and get better and healthier.

This is the truth of the situation, but unfortunately it's an election year. The POTUS has good instincts, but the response in this country has been embarrassing.

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Nationally, the numbers have been devastating.

No, the economic annihilation that we have wrought is what's devastating to far more Americans.

Yep...
It's really concentrated in urban (Democrat) areas where population density is very high.
Outside of New York and New Jersey, and a few other cities, we could take some precautions but more or less get back to life.

A better way to handle the coronavirus?

As the COVID-19 pandemic has caused state, federal, and international governments to impose various degrees of "safer at home" orders to flatten the curve, at some point we will have to begin to discuss whether the cure (economic Armageddon) is as bad as, if not worse than the disease.

While I won't question the medical rationale for making such recommendations, the question for Americans that must be addressed is, when and how will we exit the coronavirus turnpike?

The economic impact of the national shutdown is estimated to displace upwards of 53 million American workers. What will be the impact on American lives as a result of the economic shutdown instituted by the governments' response to the coronavirus?.

Economists at the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis are warning that if the current rate of U.S. job losses continues, the country's unemployment rate could reach a staggering 32.1% by the end of June as the coronavirus pandemic–induced downturn sparks mass layoffs across the nation.

We as a society, and particularly as a free society, need to begin to have the discussion of how and when we will begin to take the off-ramp from the coronavirus shutdown. Lives will be lost as a result of impending financial ruin.

One idea (presented below) is to move away from the strict "one size fits all" model currently in place and toward a coronavirus risk model based in part on the testing that is coming online. While not comprehensive, the following model could provide a method for returning to some semblance of societal and economic normalcy.

As our testing ability improves, we will be able to use results as a mechanism to help businesses open and safely allow customers to return. We now have the ability to conduct antibody tests that are quick and inexpensive. These tests will identify patients who have immunity (IgG antibodies) versus current infection (IgM antibodies). An immune person can likely safely return to work and be out in public, as would also be the case with an immune customer. A five-minute test prior to entering a store or restaurant would allow both a worker and a customer to safely return. A person who has neither antibodies (not yet exposed) would be stratified into a risk category to determine activity.

Confirmed Infected (IgM antibodies or virus detection)

Confirmed infected are defined as those who have tested "positive" for the COVID-19 virus or the acute IgM antibody. These people need to follow medical guidance, which is either in-hospital treatment or at-home self-quarantine. They would be retested until immunity is confirmed and the acute infection is resolved.

High Risk (with no antibody protection)

Taking guidance from the CDC, those who are at the highest risk are defined as older Americans, 60 and above, and those who are immuno-compromised.

As Dr. Deborah Birx has also recently stated, people who live in COVID "hot zones" are at higher risk of contracting the virus than other parts of the country. If you live in New York City, you are at higher risk of contracting coronavirus than if you live in other parts of the country.

Older Americans, people with compromised immune systems, and those who live in COVID "hot zones" should severely curtail their social interactions, very similar to many of the "safer at home" policies currently instituted by many states and municipalities.

Medium Risk

If you are experiencing flu-like symptoms, you should self-quarantine and be tested and retested to confirm COVID-19 or to rule it out.

If you live in an urban population center in New York, New Jersey, Michigan, Louisiana, or California, you are at higher risk of contracting the coronavirus and should take precautions to protect yourself and your neighbors.

If you are healthy but live with someone in a high-risk category, you should take precautions to protect your loved ones and consider testing to know the status of immunity.

Low Risk or confirmed antibody protection

If you are young and healthy and live in a more suburban or rural setting, your risk of contracting COVID is low. While you should continue to practice "social distancing" measures and wash your hands regularly, you should be permitted to go back to work and begin to socialize in small group settings.

Read more: https://www.americanthinker.co...s.html#ixzz6IehgdJ2p

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Originally posted by liner:
Interesting read here: https://www.usatoday.com/story...d-column/2898324001/

Basically says its to late to contain COVID so let’s get back to life and deal with it. As soon as we end shelter in place the virus comes back. We are quickly approaching the point of no return for the economy and many millions of people. Time to take our medicine and learn and get better and healthier.

This is the truth of the situation, but unfortunately it's an election year. The POTUS has good instincts, but the response in this country has been embarrassing.

The President is making the calculation that the economy will still be able to recover even if we wait until May to restart it. I wish he'd stick to his original Easter timeline, but I understand why he has extended the lockdown for another 30 days. And this is why I say that I still continue to have faith in him even if I would prefer things to normalize tomorrow.

No matter what he does between now and April 30th, people are going to catch the Wuhan and people are going to die. If he were to turn the economic ignition key on Easter, every death after that would be mercilessly blamed on him by the left and the media. On the other hand, by throwing out these huge death toll numbers put forth by these public health autocrats, he is putting the media (who originally by the way were advocates of the million plus death toll figure) in a position where any amount under that 100,000-240,000 figure in effect has to be credited to Trump for saving those lives.

There is evidence that the media is starting to realize the trap that they've been put in, and they are trying now in some cases to reverse that narrative by putting out stories questioning the modeling and the large death tolls.

Back on page 240 I noted a friend of mine who works for a dialysis clinic tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 in the next county. She has been cleared to return to work on Monday. Worst symptoms were a mild temperature, 101ish, and mild upper respiratory problems.

Female, mid-40's, no comorbidities, recovered and back at work.

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No, the economic annihilation that we have wrought is what's devastating to far more Americans.

The really scary thing is... we are a service based economy and a lot of those jobs aren't coming back. Many people will be unable to afford many services which will have a cascading effect.

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Back on page 240 I noted a friend of mine who works for a dialysis clinic tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 in the next county. She has been cleared to return to work on Monday. Worst symptoms were a mild temperature, 101ish, and mild upper respiratory problems.

Female, mid-40's, no comorbidities, recovered and back at work.

that's great to hear

the VAST majority of cases are accompanied by mild symptoms -- possibly even NO symptoms

obviously the really bad cases and deaths make the news every hour

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The Chinese were able to lock their country down and get a handle on this relatively quickly. The U.S. response was to mimic the Chinese response, but without the ability or willpower to execute. If we keep this nonsense up for months, we will look increasingly inept and become progressively weaker as a country. Our glorified 'experts' were not and still are not very imaginative in their recommendations. I imagined we would have lock down rules in effect in hot spots, but the reaction has just been ridiculous. With more testing and time to understand the threat, hopefully we coordinate a better and more sustainable response.

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The Chinese were able to lock their country down and get a handle on this relatively quickly. The U.S. response was to mimic the Chinese response, but without the ability or willpower to execute. If we keep this nonsense up for months, we will look increasingly inept and become progressively weaker as a country. Our glorified 'experts' were not and still are not very imaginative in their recommendations. I imagined we would have lock down rules in effect in hot spots, but the reaction has just been ridiculous. With more testing and time to understand the threat, hopefully we coordinate a better and more sustainable response.

we will be back to 'modified societal activity' by May 1st.

the current state of 'reaction' can not / will not last. ironically for instance -- hospitals across the country are actually laying off / furloughing staff because the hospital traffic has lessened drastically...

by then we will know better what is working / where and will be better able to 'modify' appropriate activity versus the current over-reaction which is shut down all activity.

as you mention with greater understanding / faster testing the targeted response will be the 'new normal'.

by May 1st you heard it here first

which is not to say the problem is 'solved' by May 1st. just that we will start to resume normal activity with modifications.

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I don’t think we can trust anything the Chinese have said nor use it as a basis for how this is going to progress here