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Since we may hear some results tomorrow from NY on their test w Hydroxychloroquine, here is the data from the 80 patient French study.

The French study has been led by Dr Didier Raoult




https://techstartups.com/2020/...ents-significant-dr/


test results



This isn't an area where I have any special expertise. But from my understanding, the test of the samples is PCR Polymerase chain reaction.

Ct is Cycle threshold. Each cycle of the process can double the replicas of the nucleic acid being tested for.

If a threshold is met at low cycle counts, that means there is a strong positive reaction (in this case lots of corona virus).

As the Ct increases, that means there had to be higher and higher amplification to detect.

It appears Dr Raoult used Ct < 34 as the cutoff. Samples w Ct <34 were still positive, but samples w higher Ct were considered clear.

Note half the patients were clear after 4 days (gray bar)

I assume some patients were pulled from the study as they cleared

It will be important to see how the NY test compared to the study results.

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there have been criticisms / questions of how sick the patients in the study actually were (at the beginning of the trial). So the NY test should help clarify that concern.

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Breaking News......according to the Brits, there is a chance that China has been lying about it's numbers.

British Scientific Advisers Claim China’s Outbreak Could Be ‘15 To 40 Times’ Worse Than Reported, Report Says
Link to Daily Wire article

That makes sense because the crematoriums were running around the clock and the urns...

They've ordered lots of urns...


More Evidence China Is Lying; Number Of Urns v. Coronavirus Deaths

China has been caught lying once again about coronavirus figures - with the latest evidence coming from ground-zero in Wuhan, where according to official CCP data just 50,006 people were infected with COVID-19, and 2,535 dying of the virus.

Yet, Chinese investigative outlet Caixin revealed that when mortuaries opened back up this week, photos revealed a far greater number of urns than reported deaths. In one, a truck loaded with 2,500 urns can be seen arriving to the Hankou Mortuary. According to the report, the driver said he had delivered the same amount the previous day.

In another photo, seven 500-urn stacks can be seen inside the mortuary, adding up to 3,500 deaths.


https://www.zerohedge.com/heal...d-coronavirus-deaths



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
Can we make fun of the Indian police for hitting muslims with sticks to get them to leave the mosque and start social distancing?

Or make fun of Cuomo for knee-jerk opposing everything Trump says?

That said I am very concerned. But I am not afraid of COVID19.

I've gotten sick a few times while traveling in Asia.

In 2012 I got some kind of fly in Wuhan and flew back to Beijing the next day with fever, chills, aches. That's when I learned you cannot buy actual cold medicine in China - only "traditional" remedies that don't work.

Later that year I got sick in northern China. The ladies in the hotel lounge gave mt hot Coca-Cold with Ginger, which helped. But my favorite bartender gave me hot tea with ginger, lemon, and Irish whisky. A few of those got me feeling better.

In 2014 I got sick during a three week trip to South Korea. Went home for two weeks, started getting better, then back to Korea and got worse again. Last more than a month in total.

In 2015 I got sick in China, and it got really bad as I continued my trip in Japan. Admittedly I was not socially distant enough from my cute young female friend when she had a cough. I got home, no voice, bad cough, first trip to doctor I was prescribed anti-biotics, couple weeks later back to the doctor and was prescribed Levaquin - which is used to treat pneumonia. Again, sick for a month.

Most recently a really bad head cold after returning from China last October - I had been in Hubei for a week, then a northern city for 2 weeks. Cold came on two weeks after getting home and lasted 2-3 weeks.

So, there's a lot of nasty stuff out there, and it can mess you up for a couple weeks. And most of these experiences are similar to a typical case of COVID19.

What concerns me? Everything else that is happening as a result of the panic.


Just a little humor here Lefty - maybe you should stay away from Asia? Big Grin
 
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How to avoid the Coronavirus thing.

DO NOT DO THIS!!!!


As long he is licking it before he makes contact with the baseball - he should be just fine. You know - pine tar tastes horrible. Big Grin
 
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Pretty sure this is all Lefty's fault. I think he's Patient Zero...
 
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I understand we can't trust the Chinese regarding most anything but could the urn thing possibly be like the hoarding of toilet paper here?


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I understand we can't trust the Chinese regarding most anything but could the urn thing possibly be like the hoarding of toilet paper here?


Wuhan is a city of 11 million people. Just because people are dying of coronavirus doesn't mean they stop dying of other stuff, too.

It is concerning, but if mortuaries were cremating people for a month or two and not able to move the urns out, there'd be big piles of them even without coronavirus.
 
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I understand we can't trust the Chinese regarding most anything but could the urn thing possibly be like the hoarding of toilet paper here?

... for which grieving family members waited in line for as long as five hours to collect, according to Shanghaiist.

Urns are reportedly being distributed at a rate of 500 a day at the mortuary until the Tomb Sweeping Day holiday, which falls on April 4 this year.

Wuhan has seven other mortuaries. If they are all sticking to the same schedule, this adds up to more than 40,000 urns being distributed in the city over the next 10 days.

When reporters at Bloomberg made calls to the funeral homes to check on the number of urns waiting to be collected, the mortuaries said that they either did not have that data or were not authorized to disclose it.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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A small town in western Marquette County has suspended trash pickup. Out of concern for the trash men. Two dudes are normally employed to pick up the trash.

Good grief

Oh well, their "leadership" had to DO SOMETHING, and now they've done it. It's worthless and counter-productive, but they did DO SOMETHING.




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The Chinese have caught the North Korean flu.
 
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I can't believe Chinese communists would lie.




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Florida Gov. Desantas is getting serious with the virus spreaders fleeing their big cities. Don't blame them for fleeing but at least live by the current fear driven mandates. Whether you like them or not. Similar to when your in the house, you follow house rules or leave.

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Florida coronavirus cases pass 4000: state border checkpoints begin, vacation rentals halted
James Call
USA TODAY NETWORK-Florida Capital Bureau

When the number of coronavirus deaths reached 54 in Florida on Saturday, Gov. Ron DeSantis told the state's surgeon general, Dr. Scott Rivkees, to get on the phone and send a public health alert to every Florida resident.

The message Rivkees texted Saturday afternoon was a repeat of the advisory he issued Wednesday, that people 65 and older, and those with underlying medical conditions, should stay home and avoid crowds, and everyone should practice "social distancing."

By Saturday evening, the number of coronavirus cases in Florida stood at 4,038, more than a fivefold increase from a week ago, when the state reported 706 infections. The death count creeped up to 56.

The virus has been particularly fatal for those over the age of 65, with that group making up 89% of statewide deaths. Another 35% were between the ages of 55 and 74, while people younger made up 4% of the fatalities and those over 85 were 19% of deaths.

“Protect yourself. Now is not the time to go outside. Don’t get involved in any big crowds, use this time to protect yourself,” DeSantis said in a briefing live-streamed from his conference room in the Capitol.

DeSantis and public health officials are in a race to control the spread of the virus before it overwhelms the ability of hospitals and health care professionals to deliver care.

On Friday, he issued an executive order expanding a previous directive that airline travelers from the New York City area self-quarantine for 14 days to include people from Louisiana who enter the state on Interstate 10.

The order would not apply to commercial transportation.

New Orleans is experiencing a coronavirus surge of more than 1,000 infections linked to the Mardi Gras celebration in February, sending Louisiana's total number of cases past 3,300 as of Saturday. DeSantis wants to intercept any Louisiana travelers from “seeding” the virus in Florida.

It's about a three-hour drive from New Orleans to Pensacola, Florida, and panhandle officials had expressed concerns to him about travelers fleeing the Bayou State and carrying the virus into Florida.

“Look, we’re either trying to fight this virus or we are not,” DeSantis said of his plan that includes a checkpoint on Interstate 10 at the Alabama line and National Guard members greeting travelers from the New York City area at airports.

“We’ve done what we could with New York City and we’re also doing the same with the New Orleans hot spot,” DeSantis said.
Bourbon Street is empty on March 16 as Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards orders bars, gyms and casinos to close until April 13th due to the spread of the coronavirus.

His executive orders defined the greater New York City area and Louisiana as areas with substantial community spread. Individuals traveling from those regions must "self-declare" they came from a hot spot and agree to quarantine themselves for 14 days upon arrival in Florida. A violation could mean a 60-day jail sentence and fines of up to $500.

Signs were erected along I-10 to direct eastbound drivers to a checkpoint where they were notified about the requirement. DeSantis said he was also looking at establishing one on I-95 to catch New York travelers.

But while the Georgia Public Health Department has called Albany, 88 miles north of Tallahassee, a region with "sustained community spread” of the coronavirus, DeSantis shrugged about establishing a checkpoint on I-75. And his office did not respond to questions about U.S. 319. Both thoroughfares connect north Florida to Albany.

“Having the 10 and 95 (checkpoints) is good and I think that provides the protection,” DeSantis said when asked about other routes into the state.

The governor also called on local airport authorities and airlines to help identify travelers from hotspots. The National Guard and public health officials are stationed at major airports and DeSantis called on local airport authorities to help to screen arrivals at smaller airports like Tallahassee's for contact with hot zones.

“I think it is in everybody’s interest that we deal with the spread we have now, try to blunt it, flatten the curve, but we don’t allow importing new infections,” DeSantis said.

On Friday, he said the state would suspend vacation rentals for two weeks, telling visitors, "If you're in one now, finish and go home."
Gov. Ron DeSantis holds a press conference to address the latest updates on how COVID-19 is impacting Florida and what steps his team is taking to prevent the spread of the virus, Friday, March 20, 2020.

Despite a growing support among lawmakers to do so, DeSantis has refused to issue a statewide lockdown limiting residents' movements like 22 other states have done in some fashion. Instead, he has preferred to let local governments decide. At least 10 counties have imposed some form of restriction, closing non-essential businesses and advising residents to stay home.

Local restrictions are tight in South Florida with orders in place in Broward and Miami-Dade counties, which report nearly half of the state’s infections.

Hillsborough and Pinellas counties have also issued directives as have Orange and Osceola counties in Central Florida. Some communities, including Leon County, have also imposed curfews, and many have threatened to enforce with arrests or fines as high as $500.
 
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A co-worker has older family living in The Village in Florida near Orlando. They said that TONS of New Yorkers and New Jersey residents have fled to the area renting apartments to escape the draconian measures up north. This is very concerning to them because The Village is basically a huge retirement community with mostly older-elderly residents previously somewhat protected from outside contact.




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My friend who has it from the texts on the previous page is from North Jersey, he’s currently at a hospital in the absolute south of NJ.

He went south to get away from the craziness




 
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Dr Mercola and Dr Saul on the use of Vitamin C for Coronavirus
Story at-a-glance

The only real defense against COVID-19 is your own immune system, which works best when fed right. While changing your diet is a commonsense solution for the long term, a rapid-response strategy would be to use vitamin C
Vitamin C strengthens your immune system and kills pathogens, including viruses, when taken in high doses
Other important immune boosting nutrients are vitamin D, magnesium and zinc
A Korean doctor who’s giving patients and hospital staff 100,000 IUs of vitamin D and 20 to 24 grams of vitamin C by IV reports virus-infected patients are getting well in a matter of days
If you own a sauna, now’s the time to put it to regular use. By increasing your core body temperature, which is what happens when you have a fever, your body becomes more efficient at killing pathogens



https://articles.mercola.com/s...112&et_rid=839719054


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Dr Mercola and Dr Saul on the use of Vitamin C for Coronavirus
Story at-a-glance

The only real defense against COVID-19 is your own immune system, which works best when fed right. While changing your diet is a commonsense solution for the long term, a rapid-response strategy would be to use vitamin C
Vitamin C strengthens your immune system and kills pathogens, including viruses, when taken in high doses
Other important immune boosting nutrients are vitamin D, magnesium and zinc
A Korean doctor who’s giving patients and hospital staff 100,000 IUs of vitamin D and 20 to 24 grams of vitamin C by IV reports virus-infected patients are getting well in a matter of days
If you own a sauna, now’s the time to put it to regular use. By increasing your core body temperature, which is what happens when you have a fever, your body becomes more efficient at killing pathogens



https://articles.mercola.com/s...112&et_rid=839719054

Color me skeptical.




The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People again must learn to work, instead of living on public assistance. ~ Cicero 55 BC

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Covid-19: How unprecedented data sharing has led to faster-than-ever outbreak research

23 March 2020

Advances in gene sequencing have allowed scientists to trace and monitor the COVID-19 pandemic faster than any previous outbreak. However, gaps in our knowledge of how coronaviruses work has made it difficult to understand what makes the new coronavirus special.

When the new coronavirus (formally known as SARS-CoV-2) was identified in China in January, scientists around the world were ready to respond. The virus’s entire genetic makeup, or genome, was published online within days. By comparison, during the SARS coronavirus outbreak in 2003, this took almost three months, after the disease was originally blamed on chlamydia.

Advances in the technology have brought down the cost of gene sequencing significantly and the machines are now small enough to fit in the palm of your hand. This has made it easier for a large number of samples to be sequenced around the world.

‘You can see from the sequences how the virus spreads, the speed at which it's spreading and estimate the number of people that are infected. As we get more and more sequences, the more and more accurate the numbers are,’ said Professor Anne-Mieke Vandamme from KU Leuven, Belgium.

Next-generation sequencing, or NGS, can generate enormous amounts of data, and the challenge becomes finding ways to analyse it properly.

In 2015, Prof. Vandamme led a project called VIROGENESIS to develop new tools to help analyse and interpret the data that comes from sequencing, particularly for laboratories that were not used to dealing with sophisticated genetic analysis.

‘When we were doing the project, there were only mainly research labs that had NGS. Now everyone has NGS,’ she said.

One of the tools developed, called Genome Detective, can take the raw data from the sequencing machine, filter out results from non-viruses, piece together the genome and use that to identify the virus. It does not rely on any prior guesses or hypotheses, so it can even identify viruses that have not been seen before. This was used to confirm the first case of COVID-19 in Belgium, identifying it as a SARS-related coronavirus.

Online sharing

The power of gene sequencing comes from comparing the results across different cases. Prof. Vandamme says that it has been ‘fantastic’ to see the level of collaboration internationally: ‘There is a lot more online sharing of data and sequences ... compared to the past because we have a lot more online sharing tools available.’

One of these tools is NextStrain, an online resource that uses genome data to monitor the evolution of disease-causing organisms such as viruses in real time. It has tracked several outbreaks including Zika, Ebola and Dengue and has even been used to inform World Health Organization policy on seasonal flu.

Research papers typically take months to be published – an aeon in the current race to tackle the pandemic. The need to share information quickly has encouraged greater sharing of ‘preprints’, drafts of papers that have not yet been through peer review.

‘The push towards open science, open data and preprinting has really changed the way we experience the scientific discourse in this outbreak compared to previous ones,’ said Professor Richard Neher, from the University of Basel, Switzerland, who leads the NextStrain project.

NextStrain already has over 700 genomes of the new coronavirus, which it can use to trace the outbreak by detecting new mutations in the virus. The mutations do not necessarily affect how the virus behaves, but they can act as a genetic signature to link cases that are related. Like tracing your ancestry through a DNA test, a virus sequenced in Madrid, for instance, could have mutations that suggest it originated from an outbreak in Italy.

‘In the current pandemic, it gives us a lower bound on how often the virus has been introduced to a specific location,’ Prof. Neher said.

NextStrain publishes a weekly situation report that analyses these trends. The team was able to estimate that the outbreak in Iran may have been introduced by a single person, whereas at least four different introductions were responsible for the outbreak in the UK, as of 13 March.

[...]


https://horizon-magazine.eu/ar...tbreak-research.html

Nextstrain SARS-CoV-2 epidemiology



Cellphone tracking of ski vacationers leaving Ischgl, Austria, who spread the virus across Europe; in some countries, half of the initial cases could be traced there.

 
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Color me skeptical.


Mercola is an alternative health guy whose business is promoting the diet pills and health supplements that he sells.

Saul isn't an MD, he has what his own website describes as a "non-traditional PhD in Ethology (behavioral biology)."
 
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Color me skeptical.


Mercola is an alternative health guy whose business is promoting the diet pills and health supplements that he sells.

Saul isn't an MD, he has what his own website describes as a "non-traditional PhD in Ethology (behavioral biology)."






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French Official Says Quarantine Should Not Be Enforced In Migrant Areas To Avoid Riots

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...nt-areas-avoid-riots

A top government official in France has admitted that draconian lockdown measures being imposed on the rest of the population shouldn’t be implemented in the country’s migrant-heavy ghettos in order to prevent riots.

In a separate video conference call, Nunez told other officials that restricting movement and shutting down shops in France’s infamous banlieues risks igniting violent social disorder if enforced too rigorously.

A regional defense zone prefect who was in on the call agreed that businesses that had been closed down in other areas of France should remain open in poorer neighborhoods in order to help with “social mediation.”

“This undermining of the laws that Macron declared as essential, this clear disregard for the population as a whole, comes at a time when police, ambulance and firefighters face record levels of hostility when they venture into the suburbs where gangs set cars on fire then attack them when they arrive to help,” writes Damian Wilson.


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