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Originally posted by bdylan:
History will record this as mass hysteria. I believe I understand the politics of the situation and why the President had to initially go along, but this trillion dollar socialist train wreck is a huge mistake and the country never should have pretended to go on lockdown...it simply will not work here. The stores are packed and I'm sitting in traffic just like always.

Interesting observations, the medical front lines are being stretched to their capacity. So we should just say ok folks all good now, business as usual. I’m afraid the Great Panic narrative has already been negated by the overwhelming of our health system and the lack of PPE. Remember On February 26 we were told this was pretty much airtight and to buy the dips. Bless you all.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
We went through this when Obama was in office- the "bird flu". Why didn't we fuck up the economy and put Americans out of work back then, huh? You know the answer.

Reuters article from 2010:

Swine flu has killed up to 17,000 in U.S.

Seventeen thousand American deaths from that virus. What did you do during that economic shutdown? Oh, wait- WE DIDN'T FUCKING HAVE ONE!!

Figure it out.

Trump has to over-react because it's an election year and the Democrats would have a field day if he didn't with tons of negative publicity on the news every single day. If it was next year when this thing arrived, I believe things would be handled a little less cautiously.

Now we know why NYC is CV Central:

"New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot posted a tweet on February 9 urging citizens to flock to Chinatown in large numbers to celebrate the lunar new year while suggesting that advice to avoid crowds was “misinformation.”

“Today our city is celebrating the #LunarNewYear parade in Chinatown, a beautiful cultural tradition with a rich history in our city. I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus,” she wrote.

On the same day, Mark D. Levine, Chair of New York City Council health committee, lauded how “huge crowds gathering in NYC’s Chinatown” was a “powerful show of defiance of #coronavirus scare,” tweeting four images of large groups of people gathered to celebrate the occasion."

https://yournews.com/2020/03/2...dents-to-congregate/

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23,000 flu deaths, and not a peep from any of the alarmists- because it's normal. Day in, day out, for as long as Man has walked on this rock, influenza has killed a percentage of the human population. Normal. Unfortunate, but normal. Now, here comes a bug that has killed a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of that, and OHMYGOD!!!!!!!!!1111111

I really am trying to be careful, but I am reminded of what a fellow I used to work with would occasionally say, “What the heck, everybody’s gotta die of something.”
I sometimes think that our culture has a messed up and unhealthy view of death. It is all part of the process. I strive to “Be careful in life, don’t be stupid, but also don’t be so afraid of your shadow that you never live.” Right now, with the media’s active encouragement, we as a society are not following that program.

My cousin in Dallas called today to check the status of his official test.

Any day now, they said.

He *seems* fine.

If this were an "ordinary" seasonal "flu" or "just a cold" with an expected death rate of 20,000, the doubters have a point. But it isn't. A death rate of 750,000 to a MILLION or more Americans over the next 12 months is far more serious. While COVID-19 and "a cold" are both viruses, so are Ebola and rabies. All viruses can't be looked at or dealt with the same.

I'd love to be wrong, but this country really dropped the ball by not examining the harm done to it by the 1918 "Spanish Flu" pandemic. We lost more citizens to that "flu" than were killed during WWI, WWII, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War combined.

A couple of days ago, I learned about the personal experiences of a friend/former co-worker, who'd been involved in the Ebola epidemic which occurred in Liberia in 2014, when he was assigned to provide training to members of their military as an officer with the USMC (Reserves). There's differences between this virus and the one we're dealing with, both in terms of transmission rate and lethality (Ebola is roughly fatal 60% of the time and rabies kills nearly 100% of those who become infected), but the similarities regarding social disorder, and control are there too. Some pretty horrific stuff (like isolating/sacrificing a suburb of 28,000, so as to protect a city of over a million residents), which is worth learning about, but I'll leave for another time.

What I wanted to do today is to draw SF members attention to "Just the News", a daily report by John Solomon. John Solomon has done some outstanding reporting on the weaponization of our national intelligence and law enforcement organizations to remove President Trump from office under a fake "Russian Collusion" narrative. His blog is well worth reading and today he provides an excellent narrative about what we're facing and why our situation came about. I'm not a physician or epidemiologist, but I took the time last February to attend a presentation by a very respected medical expert on this topic (before the situation in China became well known) and his position on the situation coincided with the information Mr. Solomon provided today. It's worth the time to read this, noting that (with regards to the topic) it's about the medical issue and not a political examination.

https://justthenews.com/politi...al-trials-after-past

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Originally posted by 46and2:
My cousin in Dallas called today to check the status of his official test.

Any day now, they said.

He *seems* fine.

. My nieces husband had his COVID test 11 days ago in Denver suburbs, still waiting. He is 35 no co morbidity and is fairly sick.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
Thanks Para.
I was starting to feel like I was the only one thinking this as I find that everyone around me is fully on board the panic train.

Not everyone. There’s a lot of us that have been calling this a panic from day 1. And I think those that are panicking watch too much news. I watched about 10 minutes yesterday and it was non stop Wuhan Flu panic.

I hear ya.
I have to talk my wife and fil down from the ledge every time they decide to watch the news. I keep telling them to turn it off but it's like crack to them. I never knew how damaging and how fast the propaganda leeches into someone's brain if you let it. They walk around parroting whatever talking points they heard until I can them back with reason and logic.

I think it was here that someone posted the percentage rates of transmission based on the types of contact. Could someone point me to that info?

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Originally posted by slosig:
...but I am reminded of what a fellow I used to work with would occasionally say, “What the heck, everybody’s gotta die of something.”
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Wise words, I suppose until you see someone desperately gasping for each and every breath with every bit of their strength ( they are so weak ,they can't even speak), like it's their last....if you ever want to see fear/panic in someone's eyes...well there you go.

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Originally posted by mrw:
When I bring up that COVID-19 is just a nasty flu with a higher death rate for elderly people hose me well here are figures that support Para:

In the USA 2017 -2018 flu cases were 45,000,000, flu deaths 61,000. Flu death rate 2017- 2018 0.1% mostly all elderly over 65. Flu is also highly contagious. So far in USA COVID-19 73,500 cases, COVID-19 deaths 1,065. COVID-19 death rate 1.4% mostly all elderly over 65. In order for COVID-19 to catch flu cases we would need 161,000 COVID-19 new cases per day every day until December 31, current new cases per day is 13,555. In order for COVID-19 to catch flu deaths we would need 215 COVID-19 new deaths per day every day until December 31, current new cases per day is 241. COVID-19 is not in the same mass killing league as influenza and will be gone in a month or so. Flu R0 is around 1.3 COVID-19 is around RO 2.0, about the same.

The problem with this sort of analysis is that rate of infection is not constant.

Just like with the flu at the beginning of flu season, the number of new cases every day is increasing rapidly.

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Originally posted by midwest guy:

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Originally posted by 46and2:
My cousin in Dallas called today to check the status of his official test.
Any day now, they said.
He *seems* fine.

. My nieces husband had his COVID test 11 days ago in Denver suburbs, still waiting. He is 35 no co morbidity and is fairly sick.

What the hell? We need to do this quicker.
We were supposed to have a 'drive-through' testing place set up nearby. It's been put on hold.
https://callnewspapers.com/sou...oday-placed-on-hold/

I don't remember hospitals needing refrigerated tractor trailers to place the dead bodies with regular flu...does anyone else?

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
If Hillary were president we wouldn't even be talking about a virus this would be non existent.

You cannot really believe that.

I do. Change my mind. They would be treating this the same way they treated the swine flu when Obama was in office. Like it barely existed. Where were all the medical experts elbowing each other to get out of their way so they could get their 15 minutes in when the swine flu was killing thousands?

Case in point. The WHO declared the swine flu to be unstoppable. Unstoppable, think about that. That's real everybody is going to die from this ringing the alarm bell talk from the World Health Organization!

Now think about if the CDC or the WHO came out and said that about this current virus. It would be more than just a major headline the civil defense system would be blasting it over the tornado warning sirens in every town across the country.

This is how CNN handled the warning from WHO when they declared the Swine flu unstoppable.

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
If Hillary were president we wouldn't even be talking about a virus this would be non existent.

Originally posted by Ronin1069:
You cannot really believe that

Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
I do. Change my mind. They would be treating this the same way they treated the swine flu when Obama was in office. Like it barely existed. Where were all the medical experts elbowing each other to get out of their way so they could get their 15 minutes in when the swine flu was killing thousands?
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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
The World did not shut down because of Swine Flu.

The entire f'ing WORLD has shut down because of Covid-19.

That is not a Hillary/Trump thing.

Apologies on the size of the pic. Not sure how to resize it.

And again: Deaths are not the thing. They're a[b/] thing, but not [b]the thing. Healthcare system overload is the thing. But healthcare system overload is abstract for many, perhaps most, people. "Death," OTOH, not so much.

I wish they'd even stop concentrating so much on the rise in new cases. That matters even less than the number of deaths attributable to Covid-19. What I wish they're report on, generate stats for, is the rate and duration of hospitalizations, and current rate of hospital bed and ICU utilization. Those are the important numbers, IMHO.

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
Apologies on the size of the pic. Not sure how to resize it.

You can't resize it unless you "own" it. (I.e.: Have it on your storage or storage you control.)

This video and the article are from ER doctors...not POLITICIANS...

They are on the front lines...so why would they lie???

Why would the things they say not be true?

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Originally posted by maladat:


The problem with this sort of analysis is that rate of infection is not constant.

Just like with the flu at the beginning of flu season, the number of new cases every day is increasing rapidly.

LOL.

I'll ask just one more time. How many cases of this flu were in the United States in December, how many recovered, and how many died.

Until you have those numbers, your argument is weak at best. This flu did not start three weeks ago in this country, and anyone who thinks as much is a fool.

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I don't remember hospitals needing refrigerated tractor trailers to place the dead bodies with regular flu...does anyone else?

How many bodies are in those refrigerated tractor trailers? We get the graphs showing all the new cases with people testing positive but where are the numbers for people being hospitalized? Where are the numbers for people being in ICU due to Covid-19? When they throw out the number of new cases, they present those numbers as if those people are all in a hospital ICU. As of 3/26/2020, we have around 1000 reported deaths from COVID-19 for the whole USA.

Due to calls for disturbances, I have had some conversations with ER Charge Nurses. Per them, they are using up PPEs while dealing with people who have a mild cold or flu or dopers looking for pain killers. The patients come in one day demanding Covid-19 tests but then don't fit the criteria on the ER checklist, so no testing is done. So the same people come back the next day and answer the questions so they now match the criteria and get the tests.