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Originally posted by bubbatime:
Many reasons you shouldn't stick your head in the sand.

1) Infection rate way worse than standard flu
2) Lethality (300 to 500 times worse than the standard flu, depending on who you believe.)
3) An unstoppable global pandemic that burns through the worlds population in the span of about 18 months to 2 years.
4) We are in the early stages now. 20,000 dead. In the first month. Once it gains traction and goes world wide, expect hundreds of thousands to millions dead.
5) If it goes full scale pandemic, and it looks like it probably will, you will know several people that will die. You might even be one of them. If you are over 65, its not looking good.
6) You cant just go to a hospital. There are 10-100 beds and they all will be full. You and the 5000 people outside have to wait. Stand in line with the super sick coughing all over you. After a couple days of that and no help, you'll probably give up and go home.
7) This is America. We have freedoms. Easily 50% of the health care workers will quit and stay home to protect their families and protect themselves. In China, they threaten the healthcare workers with death or prison. Show up to work, or else. That doesn't work here. The nurses and doctors will have mental breakdowns, and the ones that stayed, probably wont stay for long.
8) Don't listen to Chinese. You cant trust anything they say. WATCH what they do. An unprecedented 60 million people and growing daily quarantine? Door to door goon squads dragging people from their homes? They are losing their shit. I wonder why? Perhaps it IS a big deal, and MUCH worse than standard flu?
9) No workers, no truck drivers? No grocery stores with food? No gas stations that still have fuel? Mass civil unrest unlike anything that has ever been seen before. Cities will burn. Cities will be death traps.
10) No sanitation workers. No city water employees. No power-plant employees. No water, no electricity, no garbage collection?

Yeah. The above is worst case scenario. We are still early and the best minds are trying to find a cure. But if they don't, or it takes too long, its not hard to see that THIS could be the real deal. History in the making.

Go clean your guns. Buy some (lots) of food. Prepare.


You serious Clark?

Seriously though, those numbers just aren’t playing out. If things were that bad with this virus then we would be seeing at least some of the same effects with those over here that are infected. Almost everyone that has died from this has been in China. Some of those numbers, like 20,000 dead, just doesn’t compute with what we are seeing here. I know someone that works at a pharmaceutical company that works as a researcher and has extensive experience working with their Ebola treatment drug. They’ve seen some of the best, most recent information on this flu and their takeaway is how sad it is that the Coronavirus gets all this attention and influenza gets so little. This just isn’t the superbug that some are making it out to be.

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Belief in mysticism and superstition is common, even among the educated, because China never had it's own enlightenment or discovery of the scientific method. The west has transplanted scientific thought, but because it didn't develop organically, various bad old habits die hard, and some of those habits do appear to be contributing to the spread of the virus.

The old wives tales, superstitions and Taoist belief traditions run very deep. The communists stamped out a lot of things, to include Western thought and practices but, those long held beliefs still remain true, for better or, worse.
 
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This site reports just over 20,000 CASES... < 500 deaths world wide.

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That is a very informative site which is updated at intervals and appears to be associated with Johns Hopkins.

Two days later, they're reporting over 28,000 cases worldwide.
 
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Two days later, they're reporting over 28,000 cases worldwide.

As of now, 28,296 total confirmed, 28,039 in China. 565 total deaths, 1 in Hong Kong, 1 in Philippines, rest in China.

Yes, it is continuing to blow up in China. It seems to be moving much slower elsewhere.
 
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230 cases outside China; it’s virtually impossible that they are the only ones.

China continues the blackout on outgoing information saying-

“Countries “can assess the epidemic situation in an objective, fair, calm and rational manner, respect authoritative and professional WHO recommendations, understand and support China’s epidemic control efforts”.

Kind of hard to support something when they’re quashing all attempts of communication from inside the country. And they wonder why nobody trusts them.




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Wuhan passed 2 weeks quarantine yesterday- Haven't heard anything yet.


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230 cases outside China; it’s virtually impossible that they are the only ones.


Last night: 28,296 - 28,039 = 257 cases out of China.

This morning: 28,347 - 28,088 = 257 cases out of China.

It would be interesting to be able to scroll back in time on the Johns Hopkins page and see the change over time. It will be interesting to see how those brought back to the US and quarantined do. I sure hope they get a clean bill of health.
 
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Want to know how incompetent the CDC is? They ONLY allow testing for coronavirus for people that have been to China or have had contact with a person that has been to China.

So lets say your a doctor in Orlando and you are seeing a huge influx of serious flu and pneumonia cases. CDC will not even allow you to send in a few samples to see if they are possible coronavirus cases. Your patient MUST have visited China or been around someone that visited China. Thats it.

THIS is how pandemics spread. Sticking your head in the sand and wishing the problem away.

Its very possible that the 12 or so confirmed cases went out to restaurants, went to the grocery store, went on city buses or other large gatherings... and anyone that gets secondary infected, just some random guy that hasnt been to China, doesn't get tested because the CDC guidelines doesn't allow it.

I'd expect "common flu and pneumonia" cases to start picking up drastically in the coming weeks.

I think internally they are working off the data that its probable to become a world wide pandemic, and that they don't want to cause panic or disruption. Not yet anyways.


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Hardly incompetence, there aren't enough test kits to test the likely cases let alone spot test everyone with the sniffles.
 
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As of now, 28,296 total confirmed, 28,039 in China. 565 total deaths, 1 in Hong Kong, 1 in Philippines, rest in China.

30 crematoriums working 24/7 seems like a lot for just 565 people... but governments never lie. Roll Eyes

Wuhan crematoriums 'are burning bodies 24/7 to cope with extra workload during coronavirus outbreak'

  • Wuhan crematoriums working around the clock to cope with influx of bodies
  • Worker Mr Yun said 'more manpower' needed as chambers are working 24/7
  • Bodies of coronavirus victims must be burned, not buried to prevent spread


A crematorium worker in the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak has revealed the long working hours he and his colleagues are putting in to transfer bodies from hospitals and private homes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...-extra-workload.html



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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...-extra-workload.html

The link says “China opens 11 hospitals after turning halls into medical centers”. I know something is being lost in translation but it sounds less like “outbreak” and more like “epidemic”. I wish the Chinese government would stop doing the covert routine if they want worldwide cooperation.




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As of now, 28,296 total confirmed, 28,039 in China. 565 total deaths, 1 in Hong Kong, 1 in Philippines, rest in China.

30 crematoriums working 24/7 seems like a lot for just 500 people... but governments never lie. Roll Eyes


  • Bodies of coronavirus victims must be burned, not buried to prevent spread




How would a virus spread from a buried body? wouldn't mass graves be as effective? or is there something really different with this one that mandates incineration?

Except for being significantly more visible. If #s are somewhat out of control in China, then cremating is the easiest way to reduce visible count.



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Evidently, the Chinese are either getting desperate or are done dicking around. Wuhan has been ordered to round up all of the infected and place them in mass quarantine camps...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...mp.html%3f0p19G=2870

I know it’s China, but this seems more than a little extreme for something we shouldn’t worry about.




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30 crematoriums working 24/7 seems like a lot for just 500 people... but governments never lie.


It does seem a bit much. Assuming a two-hour average time per body, they should be caught up in several days working around the clock.
 
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Original China Virus Whistleblower Doctor Dies

https://www.zerohedge.com/heal...leblower-doctor-dies

The Chinese doctor who tried to raise the alarm about the new coronavirus before it was even identified has died of the deadly virus.

Dr. Li, 34, was hospitalized on January 12 after contracted the virus from his patient, and he was confirmed to have the coronavirus on February 1, and The World Health organization has just confirmed his passing...



As a reminder, Li Wenliang - who warned the public of a potential "SARS-like" disease in December 2019 - was questioned by local health authority, and warned:



"We solemnly warn you: If you keep being stubborn, with such impertinence, and continue this illegal activity, you will be brought to justice - is that understood?"

Dr, Li was later summoned by Wuhan police to sign a reprimand letter in which he was accused of "spreading rumors online" and "severely disrupting social order."

In the meantime, local authorities had apologized to him but that apology came too late, and now with 10s of millions of Chinese locked down under martial law, Wenliang was proven very much right.


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My stupid post:

2,400,000 people die in China everyday. Let's assume 28,000 people in China have died from this virus in the last 60 days. That brings the daily death total up to 2,400,466 per day, a .02% increase.

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I'm sorry. The death rate I posted above is completely ridiculous. I should have recognized it immediately. In fact, I had at one point. The 7th post of the first page I posted that 20 people in China die every minute. That's about 28,800 a day and was based on an annual rate of 7.44 deaths per 1,000 people. The crazy number I posted in this post was the first number I saw when googling for my post on page 1. I recognized it to be unbelievable then, but I grabbed it this time because it was familiar. Again, I'm sorry.

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Chinese doctor who warned about coronavirus dies

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Li Wenliang, a doctor in China who was allegedly detained for warning others about the coronavirus before he himself was sickened by the illness, has died. His death was confirmed during a World Health Organization (WHO) press briefing on Thursday.

"We're very sad to hear of the loss of Dr. Li Wenliang," WHO officials said, before adding that it was too soon to say whether the outbreak was reaching a peak.


Li Wenliang had claimed that he shared his concerns about the virus in a private chat with other medical students before he was detained by authorities.
Li Wenliang had claimed that he shared his concerns about the virus in a private chat with other medical students before he was detained by authorities.
Li, who according to the BBC was a 34-year-old ophthalmologist at Wuhan Central Hospital, had claimed that in late December he shared his concerns via private chat with medical school graduates after several patients exhibited symptoms similar to SARS before he was visited and warned by authorities.

He was then summoned to Public Security Bureau where he was forced to sign a letter stating that he made false comments about the virus, the BBC reported. Authorities later apologized.


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And what justice will the authorities face? One hopes for something harsh. At least in the form of karma. Perhaps they should succumb to the disease as well.




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2,400,000 people die in China everyday. Let's assume 28,000 people in China have died from this virus in the last 60 days. That brings the daily death total up to 2,400,466 per day, a .02% increase.


Not sure where your # comes from...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China, says ~10 million died in all of 2019. which is ~27,000 per day, without the virus.



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2,400,000 people die in China everyday. Let's assume 28,000 people in China have died from this virus in the last 60 days. That brings the daily death total up to 2,400,466 per day, a .02% increase.


Not sure where your # comes from...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China, says ~10 million died in all of 2019. which is ~27,000 per day, without the virus.


No kidding - that would be 876 million a year! There's gonna be a lot of free dirt, and nobody to make iPhones after killing off 60% of their population in a good year.



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