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Unflappable Enginerd |
Silly question, under what authority do these local and state "authorities" close private businesses? I get the public safety angle, but what laws allow them to mandate/enforce controls of this type short of declaring martial law? Serious question, please don't slam me if it seems stupid to you... __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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Now in Florida |
Pritzker seems more interested in politicizing this and taking shots at Trump than anything else. Do we have any medical professionals on the board who can explain why these drastic measures weren't necessary during the Swine Flu pandemic which infected 60 million and killed 12,000 in the US? The easy answer is to ascribe the difference in response to politics, but it's starting to get so crazy that even I can't believe they would go this far for political purposes. Is there a real answer for why they are treating these two outbreaks so differently? | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Ohio governor orders all bars and restaurants to close, with take away still permitted. It was in a video on Fox. I'm looking for a written source to cite. Columbus Dispatch: https://www.dispatch.com/news/...aurants-to-shut-down Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Funny Man |
They all have state and or city health certificates that are required to operate. So the authority to shut everything down would stem from the same health laws used to regulate, no? ______________________________ “I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” ― John Wayne | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Congrats! ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan "Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle | |||
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| Unflappable Enginerd |
I suppose they do, but is that the actual mechanism they're using? That's why I'm asking, what if someone says no? __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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| Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Predictions on economic impact? I'm guessing domestically we are looking at a losß of 20% of GDP. Under- and unemployment will go up dramatically, to 12-15% in the short-term. Our economy is going to get hurt, but not as bad as Italy will be. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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It's going to have a big impact. My wife and I are going to close our business for at least 3 weeks, not our choice. | |||
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Thanks Balze! | |||
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This bullshit will have a bigger impact than 9/11. Some airlines have basically been telling their employees it will be somewhere between the effect after 9/11 and the Great Recession. People’s wallets have been forced shut outside of necessities. I hope I’m dead wrong. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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| Big Stack |
Some localities require all business to have a license. The locality can just rescind them. Specifically talking about restaurants and bars, they all have various health department and alcoholic beverage licensing that can suspended, revoked. Or the executive can all in the legislature, and propose and pass specific emergency laws giving them the power to shut down whatever they feel necessary. Now in any specific jurisdiction, how this would work is completely up to they laws in place, or quickly passed. Some executives (mayors, governors, etc.) may be overstepping their legal authority.
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| Big Stack |
You're exactly right.
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| Unflappable Enginerd |
That's kinda where I'm going with this.  __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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| Funny Man |
Because humans learn from experience, it is probably the most valuable evolutionary adaptation we possess. Just Google "what did we learn from swine flu". You will find pages of returns covering every angle from political, academic and medical perspectives. There are millions of written words in the press and in medical journals covering the subject. The same will happen when this current pandemic has passed and the response to the next one will be different still. It's just human nature.... ______________________________ “I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” ― John Wayne | |||
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Dr Anthony Fauci is calling for tighter constraints on crowd gatherings! | |||
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Telecom Ronin |
So concerning central Europe, we drove out of Poland today and they were locking down the highways going into Poland. Line was around a km long and growing. The Czech lockdown starts tomorrow so they had a couple cars and a van but were not stopping anyone. In Prague all restaurants, pubs, museums etc are closed but the shops are open. May stop at the embassy tomorrow to clarify our traveling plans through the UK but otherwise we are planning on catching the sights we missed 2 weeks ago. We have HS, masks goggles and gloves but at this point will probably only use them in the airports/planes. | |||
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I am not a medical professional, however... In the 2009 Swine Flu pandemic, something like twice as many Americans were infected as with a typical seasonal flu, but the number of people that died was something like one third a typical flu season, and the number of hospitalizations was approximately one half a typical flu season. Put simply, the Swine Flu was more infectious than a normal seasonal flu, but also less severe. So far, worldwide, there are a tiny, tiny fraction as many confirmed cases of COVID-19 as there were cases of Swine Flu in the US, but about half as many deaths. We know there are a lot of cases of COVID-19 that haven't been detected yet. The two big questions (which we can't be sure of the answers to yet) are, how many cases are we missing (how much less severe is COVID-19 than the statistics make it appear), and how infectious is COVID-19 really? | |||
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Coin Sniper |
I'd guess it depends on what power is granted the state government when a State of Emergency is declared. They better fully understand the financial impact of what the are doing. There are a lot of people in thus country that live pay check to pay check and if you cut that off they are in trouble. That will have a ripple effect. Paying bartenders and servers their hourly wage won't help as most of their money is from tips. I know people in this industry and they are hurting already due the down turn in business. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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Anecdote from Orlando. I have two friends, married to each other, each works for a large hotel in the area. One works for a 800 room Marriott property. The other works for a 1,000 room Hilton property. I saw them both today and asked what was happening. Both said occupancy over the last week has averaged between 5-10%. They said at this time of year they should be at 99%. They said nearly all services at the hotel have been shuttered; no room service, restaurants closed, what is open has limited hours, etc. And they are going to have discussions over the next couple of days about shutting the hotels completely. The hotels will be losing less money to shut down completely vs. operating at single digit occupancy. | |||
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