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https://www.usatoday.com/story...th-state/1438468001/

This is a good thing. If you don't have the right to kill yourself, you're not actually a free person.


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If you don't have the right to kill yourself, you're not actually a free person.


I see a difference between killing yourself and involving others in the killing.

From the article:

Assisted suicide is a dangerous public policy that puts the most vulnerable people in society at risk for abuse, coercion and mistakes,” said Matt Valliere, executive director of Patients Rights Action Fund, an advocacy group. “It also provides profit-driven insurance companies perverse incentives to offer a quick death, rather than costly continuing quality care."



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I think it depends upon how the law is written and whether a psychologist has to sign off on it. It is a complicated and controversial subject.
 
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Excellent.

It is nobody's else's business how someone terminally ill wants to go.

Legal, painless, cheap, quick, not messy, not traumatic....now terminally ill people get to pick all six.

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The bill defines “terminal disease” as one that is incurable and will likely end in death within six months. It also makes pressuring someone to request life-ending medication a crime.

Psychologists would have nothing to do with saying yea or nea in this case, nor should they.
 
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If you don't have the right to kill yourself, you're not actually a free person.


I see a difference between killing yourself and involving others in the killing.



In the case of terminal illness, or other medical situations, you're going to need help, and you shouldn't be locked in a meat prison.

It's a simple issue. If you don't want to kill yourself, don't.

If you are stopping other people from killing themselves just because you disagree with it, you should really mind your own business. Just like all the assholes who want to ban firearms should mind their own damn business.


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It's a simple issue.

Alrighty, then. Case closed.



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It's a simple issue.

Alrighty, then. Case closed.

 
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If you’re ready for the next journey, have at it.
For me, I would like to have that choice when it comes.
 
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From the article:

A patient age 18 or older must undergo two waiting periods, submit one written and two verbal requests, and get the opinions of two physicians that a fatal dose of medication is appropriate. Doctors must also screen patients for conditions that can impair judgement, such as depression.

Still bullshit to need permission from the state, and to go through some bureaucratic process.
 
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You always have the right to kill yourself. What are they gonna do, charge you after you’re dead? Smile


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After watching my aunt die from lung cancer I'm very happy for this decision.
Having your only option being to slowly die in agonizing pain as tumors displace healthy tissues while your family watches in horror is not how anyone should go.
 
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You always have the right to kill yourself. What are they gonna do, charge you after you’re dead? Smile


Medically assisted suicide being a special case, outside of that suicide will remain an illegal act.

What should happen broadly, is for the social stigma of mental illness and suicidal thoughts be removed. So people can talk openly about it and get help before it is too late.


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I absolutely agree that at a minimum, if your life is not yours to do with as you see fit, then you most assuredly are not free. However, with the "assisted suicide" aspect, the potential for abuse is very real. It would obviously be far less expensive for terminally ill patients to elect assisted suicide than it would be to hang around and rack up insurance bills. Obviously the insurance companies would love that option to become widely available. I'd also argue that many of today's selfish families would also love the option of an elderly, sick family member opting to cash out early, whereby saving them time, money, and effort in the costs of care.


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Of the states that have already legalized assisted suicide, how many cases of abuse have there been?

"Potential for abuse" is a weak argument for a necessary law.

Lots of things carry the potential for abuse.


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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
https://www.usatoday.com/story...th-state/1438468001/

This is a good thing. If you don't have the right to kill yourself, you're not actually a free person.


I've thought we are overdue for a national discussion on the subject. At first glance this law seems reasonable to me.
Just watched a good friend fight a losing battle with cancer for 18 months or so. We had some conversations on the subject. It was his intent to be able to have some control over his destiny as he had just witnessed his Sister in Law go through cancer hell. In the end, he ended up in hospice and cancer won. Was only there one day.
Those people are saints. Don't know how they do it.
I've also had the less pleasant options introduced into my life. Both elderly and both by gun leaving someone else to find them. Wouldn't wish that on any survivor.
I'll vote for a medical option in a controlled environment any day.
 
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Of the states that have already legalized assisted suicide, how many cases of abuse have there been?

"Potential for abuse" is a weak argument for a necessary law.

Lots of things carry the potential for abuse.
But few things that carry the "potential for abuse" label involve the guaranteed loss of a life (or multiple lives) if abuse does occur.

Look, if you or I want to throw off this moral coil and we are capable of accomplishing what's necessary to reach that goal, then its no ones business but our own. That somewhat defines what basic freedom is to me. However, because the world is full of a whole lot of unscrupulous, unethical, immoral, and selfish people, the "assisted" part of that equation opens the door to a potential level of abuse that should be concerning to everyone.


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As long as it remains 'Safe, Legal & Rare' there really shouldn't be any issues whatsoever, right.... Wink


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Of the states that have already legalized assisted suicide, how many cases of abuse have there been?

"Potential for abuse" is a weak argument for a necessary law.

Lots of things carry the potential for abuse.
But few things that carry the "potential for abuse" label involve the guaranteed loss of a life (or multiple lives) if abuse does occur.

Look, if you or I want to throw off this moral coil and we are capable of accomplishing what's necessary to reach that goal, then its no ones business but our own. That somewhat defines what basic freedom is to me. However, because the world is full of a whole lot of unscrupulous, unethical, immoral, and selfish people, the "assisted" part of that equation opens the door to a potential level of abuse that should be concerning to everyone.


Nobody is saying there is no abuse. The world is a big and ugly place.

It's still a thin argument against something very necessary, and if it were a huge problem, where is the evidence?

Find the abuse, prosecute the abusers. But don't overstate the potential for abuse. Again, we have states who already codified assisted suicide. If it were a big issue, where are the instances?


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Let's keep reminding all the Democrats that they have the right to kill themselves.


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