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Nice pic of one of the F15s scrambling from PDX

https://i.redd.it/010o6fsy8if11.jpg
Could you imagine the adrenaline pumping as they got the call that the situation was real? Those are badasses. This guy was some shumk who took advantage of an opportunity.



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I'm sure the asshole was "lightheaded" from imposing both positive and negative G-forces upon himself. No further comment...



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Russell Richard - 5 Facts

^ there’s the guy. Caucasian 29 year old married Christian who used to run a bakery with his wife.


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I’m thinking the reports that this guy was a mechanic are wrong. He didn’t know what altitude was, didn’t know how to pressurize the aircraft, and possibly taxi’d with the parking brake on. Even the greenest technician has some level of knowledge of these things. I am betting he was a ground handler.


News reports today are describing him as a "ground agent"/"ground services worker"/"baggage handler".

He reportedly retrieved the plane from a maintenance area using a pushback tractor, before boarding the plane and taking off.
 
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It did make me consider what would have happened if he turned towards Seattle and Safeco with 45K plus people in it. Would they try to close the roof? Would they try to evacuate and hope?



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Actually I'm pretty impressed the wings didn't come off during the split S maneuver.Positive
stability saved his ass on that one. Must be a pretty tough aircraft
 
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I'm curious if the F-15s were armed.


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^^^^^ Exactly! There has to more to the story than a mechanic who had no operational flight experience who got the thing started, got a clearance, taxied through the alley and ramp... and then got airborne and performed passable acro.


There was no passable acrobatic maneuvering. The guy was lucky he survived what some are calling a "barrel roll." It wasn't.

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Ah come on. You're just jealous cause you've never got to play around like that in one of your big planes.


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[quote]Ah come on. You're just jealous cause you've never got to play around like that in one of your big planes.[/quote

That was funny. Reminds me of a journalist who used a simulator to navigate a supertanker through New York harbor. He said it was easy until he took out the Statue of Liberty.
 
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I ignored this post because—even though I’m familiar with many aircraft—the term “Q400” meant nothing to me.
A more descriptive post title would have been helpful.


No kidding. It's the same thing with some and their ridiculous, obscure acronyms. Roll Eyes

Beyond annoying.


Roll Eyes Poor guys...


Not everyone here is military/LEO and familiar with all the acronyms.




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Mechanics, as part of their job, will from time to time be required to start engines. As a result, they will either have the codes, access to the keys, or knowledge of how to get around the security system.


There are no codes, and there are no keys for large aircraft.

Yeah, I know that. The point is that if the suggested “security improvements“ were implemented a mechanic would have a way around them.


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What's more remarkable here is that he was able to get to a location on the field with the aircraft to make a takeoff roll.

These aircraft do not operate without a clearance and an instrument flight plan, let alone taxi without the same. An aircraft seen moving without a clearance or attempting to get to a runway would cause a great deal of concern long before ever taking off.

You are talking about how you operate in the system. You do a thorough preflight, you taxi only with a clearance, you take off only with a clearance, and only from a runway. I do the same (unless operating from a non-towered field), and so do the vast majority of pilots. If we don’t, our certificates are at risk. This guy didn’t have any pilot certificates for them to take away, and it is unlikely that he would be worried about that kind of thing since it was unlikely he’d survive his adventure. The Dash-8 is designed to operate out of short fields. I’m not especially familiar with SeaTac, but I’d bet dollars to donuts that there are a plethora of taxiways that one could easily take off from in a Dash-8. Don’t think about what you’d do, think about is physically possible.

By the same token, what can controllers do? I’d bet they don’t have a rapid reaction force with jeeps with mounted .50 cals, much less rockets. Given enough time they might have been able to get a cop in a vehicle in front of the airplane. If I were that cop, I’m not sure how excited I’d be to be that close to the props of an airplane operated by someone of questionable sanity...
However, if he just cranked up and went, I doubt they would ever have even gotten ahold of said cop, much less started to direct him before the bird was airborne.

Yeah, we could have a million cops all over every airport spring loaded to stop such a low probability event, but I can’t imagine we ever will.
 
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Originally posted by sjtill:
I ignored this post because—even though I’m familiar with many aircraft—the term “Q400” meant nothing to me.
A more descriptive post title would have been helpful.


No kidding. It's the same thing with some and their ridiculous, obscure acronyms. Roll Eyes

Beyond annoying.


Roll Eyes Poor guys...


Not everyone here is military/LEO and familiar with all the acronyms.


I had no idea what a "Q400" was before I opened this thread. But, I am not as offended by every little thing as some are, nor do I get paid a nickel for every "rolls eyes" that I use as it appears that some people do.

I just opened the thread, started reading and figured it out for myself. And wasn't offended. Some people look at everything to find something to be offended by.




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Ah come on. You're just jealous cause you've never got to play around like that in one of your big planes.


I started my flying career doing formation under powerlines as a teen ag pilot. I flew WWII bombers into burning canyons, researched thunderstorms in jet aircraft, hauled organs and victims spurting blood, chased insurgents in Iraq, and hauled weapons, supplies and aircraft loads of cash into short African airfields...jealousy isn't really a factor. I have thrown big airplanes around like a super cub, often in tight canyons which were usually on fire, and I've come back with weeds in the wingtips. Doing something productive with the aircraft is enhanced when it can be used again, and didn't place tens of thousands in jeopardy.

I was called for an organ recovery flight on 09/11; we were unable to harvest the heart. I watched the man that evening on the news as he was interviewed, crying, because he would (and did) die. That's the result of people stealing aircraft and doing stupid things. Had this joker hit a building or stadium, the fallout would be very different.

In the wake of 09/11, one third of the flight schools in the country went out of business. One third!! Transport stopped, air ambulance stopped, everything stopped. The ramifications in security and the hassles faced at every level are visible today. There was hope that this idiot could be talked into returning, or putting the aircraft in the water, but the F-15's behind him weren't there for his health, nor for image.

This guy put a lot more in jeopardy than just the people he could have killed and there will be blowback for some time to come as a result, whether you see it or not. There is nothing admirable about what he did.

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You are talking about how you operate in the system. You do a thorough preflight, you taxi only with a clearance, you take off only with a clearance, and only from a runway. I do the same (unless operating from a non-towered field), and so do the vast majority of pilots. If we don’t, our certificates are at risk. This guy didn’t have any pilot certificates for them to take away, and it is unlikely that he would be worried about that kind of thing since it was unlikely he’d survive his adventure. The Dash-8 is designed to operate out of short fields. I’m not especially familiar with SeaTac, but I’d bet dollars to donuts that there are a plethora of taxiways that one could easily take off from in a Dash-8. Don’t think about what you’d do, think about is physically possible.

By the same token, what can controllers do? I’d bet they don’t have a rapid reaction force with jeeps with mounted .50 cals, much less rockets. Given enough time they might have been able to get a cop in a vehicle in front of the airplane. If I were that cop, I’m not sure how excited I’d be to be that close to the props of an airplane operated by someone of questionable sanity...
However, if he just cranked up and went, I doubt they would ever have even gotten ahold of said cop, much less started to direct him before the bird was airborne.

Yeah, we could have a million cops all over every airport spring loaded to stop such a low probability event, but I can’t imagine we ever will.


Large airports have police forces, most from the city department. SeaTac is no different. This individual taxied from a cargo area to one of the first available runways and departed; had he been almost anywhere else on the field, he'd have been stopped. While aviation security protocols need not be discussed here, the basic doctrine includes that an aircraft which isn't allowed to become airborne can't become an airborne threat.

I have been on board a regional airliner that was intercepted on the ground and forced to return; we were surrounded by police, blocked, and escorted at gunpoint to the ramp.

No, I wasn't talking about operating the aircraft in the system, though part of operating in the system does require a clearance and an aircraft without a clearance garners immediate attention, as this aircraft did. It can take an hour to get the aircraft ready to fly, and starting engines isn't like starting car engines. Managing fuel can be a complex task for someone who isn't trained and prepared to do so. Even the 09/11 hijackers has sought flight training and type-specific training in preparation for what they did, and they had no intention of landing, either.

If he had taxied much farther, he'd have had blown tires and would have had additional problems.
 
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Not terribly relevant, but SeaTac airport policing is handled by Port of Seattle Police.

Not sure what resources they have to respond to things such as this, they are mostly focused on terminal vehicle traffic, unruly people in the terminal, etc.

I’d be curious to know the timeline of when the A/C started to move, when they recognized it was unauthorized, when it went wheels up, when the call was made to launch the Alert-5 A/C, the time they were in the air, and the time they arrived on station.


I was working a few back when obozo was in town and the FAA had a no fly zone in place. Some yahoo didn’t read the NOTAMS and decided to land his float plane at Kenmore on the north end of Lake Washington.

F-15’s were launched from PDX for that as well, and went supersonic over Auburn area. Our board lit up with 99+ 911 calls holding....






What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???


 
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I'm curious if the F-15s were armed.


They were armed.
 
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Some people look at everything to find something to be offended by.


Can't disagree with that, sir....




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I had no idea what a "Q400" was before I opened this thread. But, I am not as offended by every little thing as some are, nor do I get paid a nickel for every "rolls eyes" that I use as it appears that some people do.

I just opened the thread, started reading and figured it out for myself. And wasn't offended. Some people look at everything to find something to be offended by.




Funny how some people think the Roll Eyes actually has an affect on people and how twisted their panties continually seem to be. It must be painful to have 24/7/365 male PMS.

Or maybe they are getting paid every time someone uses it.
 
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I flew WWII bombers into burning canyons, researched thunderstorms in jet aircraft, hauled organs and victims spurting blood, chased insurgents in Iraq, and hauled weapons, supplies and aircraft loads of cash into short African airfields...

....I was called for an organ recovery flight on 09/11; we were unable to harvest the heart. I watched



May I ask how old you are? That's a super long career flying, wow, 60 or so years as a pilot from WWII to 9-11. Do you still fly now?



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May I ask how old you are? That's a super long career flying, wow, 60 or so years as a pilot from WWII to 9-11. Do you still fly now?




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