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Is Sean Penn going to move there?




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Is Sean Penn going to move there?



Ha! Sean has spent his life escaping the consequences of his influence....



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"Socialism Has Produced Some Very Powerful Millionaires": As Venezuelans Starve In The Streets, The Elites Party On

It’s always funny to debate socialists on the merits of their ideology....

If you point to a country like Venezuela, and say “See! This is what socialism leads to,” they’ll no doubt claim that it isn’t a real example of socialism. But if you went back in time by just a few years, you’d find that their perception of Venezuela was quite different.

Celebrities like Sean Penn, Oliver Stone, and Danny Glover praised the regime not too long ago, as did intellectuals like Noam Chomsky.

Six years ago, Bernie Sanders claimed that “the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina.”

These days however, those voices are conveniently silent in regards to Venezuela. There’s always at least one “perfect” example of socialism for leftists to hold up, right up until that that shining example utterly fails.

But that is by no means the extant of their cognitive dissonance. While these same figures preach about how equitable socialism is, and rail against the 1%, socialist countries like Venezuela are run by tiny wealthy elites who are having a blast while their countrymen starve in the streets.

The country may be stricken by poverty and political violence, but a rich minority acts like they are untouched by the crisis.



Case in point: Caracas, one of the world’s most violent cities, is the first in South America to open a branch of the trendy Buddha Bar international nightclub chain.

In a country where basics such as flour and sugar are in short supply, Buddha Bar guests can order tuna steak, pork ribs or fish tacos — as long as they have dollars to pay.


“You can have as good a time here in Caracas as in New York, Dubai or Saint Petersburg,” says one of its owners, Cristhian Estephan.

Eight pieces of salmon and shrimp sushi here cost 55,700 bolivars, or the equivalent of more than a quarter of the country’s official monthly minimum wage…

…While the mass protests against President Nicolas Maduro show that Venezuelans’ anger at their hardship is boiling over, the well-off are still managing to have fun.

This always happens in socialist countries, because socialist regimes don’t distribute the wealth equally to everyone. Once the government has a firm grip on the economy, it can distribute that wealth to whoever is the most loyal to the regime.

“Wealth in Venezuela is generated by state revenues that depend on the oil sector,” says Colette Capriles, a sociologist at Simon Bolivar University.



“The state redistributes that revenue. The Chavez government used it with preference for those who needed it most,” with social welfare spending, she says.



But it also offered an opportunity for those close to power to line their pockets.



“This form of socialism has produced some very powerful millionaires,” says Capriles.



“Most of them are government officials or people close to them — and currently they are one of the main things holding up the government.”

I’m sure that fact is also conveniently ignored by leftists celebrities and intellectuals. They’re so wrapped up in their ideology that they can’t see the truth that is staring them in the face.

Not only does socialism always fail, this ideology that so many leftists claim can end wealth inequality, always leaves the masses hungry and poor. It always props up a rich elite class that is insulated from the problems that they cause.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...ns-starve-streets-el



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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July 31, 2017
The noisy left has gone weirdly silent on Venezuela
By Monica Showalter

As Venezuela transforms into a grotesque graveyard of democracy, the rabid left that has defended that hellhole in every circumstance over these past 19 years has gone weirdly silent.

Jeremy Corbyn of the U.K., a staunch supporter of the Chavista project, is oddly silent, giving much merriment to London satirists out on Twitter.

Sean Penn of Hollywood fame has nothing to say, either, though the Twitterati are asking for answers.

Oliver Stone has moved on to Putin-worship and has gotten circumspect about the great Chavista project he romanticized in story and film for so many years.

Apparently, the cat has gotten Michael Moore's tongue, too. He's got nothing to say about Venezuela this time, either.

Nor does Naomi Campbell, Hugo Chávez's biggest fangirl.

It goes to show the moral disgustingness of the left that not a one of these people or any of the others who came down to worship the Venezuelan socialism project has anything to say about it now, now that it's gotten obvious to everyone that it was nothing but a dictatorship waiting to be activated, as it has been with this sham referendum giving the Chavista government total power.

It's a sorry picture, because these people should be the first to rally round Venezuela's opposition and give them moral support. Vice President Pence has done that, and he has posted the announcement of it on Twitter, just as President Trump has threatened oil sanctions. This is what dignified, uncompromised leaders do.

As for Penn, Stone, Corbyn, and the lot of them, no such prospects for that.

http://www.americanthinker.com...nt_on_venezuela.html



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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July 31, 2017
The noisy left has gone weirdly silent on Venezuela
By Monica Showalter

As Venezuela transforms into a grotesque graveyard of democracy, the rabid left that has defended that hellhole in every circumstance over these past 19 years has gone weirdly silent....


Venezuela is a perfect showcase for the consequences of liberal/socialist politics. I mention Venezuela to my liberal/socialist friends and neighbors, most are completely oblivious to conditions there. One or two who have heard some news trickles re Venezuela deny any connection to socialism.




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Well, the unsung, not-yet-hero in getting rid of the Socialists there will turn out to be the US fracking revolution.

That's what's keeping oil prices moderate, and moderate oil prices are playing hell with Venezuela's foreign revenues.

And that's what's keeping Maduro broke. Otherwise he'd be buying time 'spreading around' state oil money and get to keep kicking the can down the road.

Going to be a hellacious mess there, but one way or another there won't be a 'socialist paradise' there for much longer.

What those protesters may need is a 'gun to get a gun' to level the playing field. I'm put in mind of the flights over occupied France in WWII where bombers dropped ~25K PF-45 Liberator pistols.
 
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Like all socialists, that Maduro fool keeps digging a deeper hole. And the deeper the hole the bigger the collapse. Gonna get some kind of ugly down there. But then again, it is gonna get some kind of ugly in Murica.

Big Oil Nervous As Venezuela's Maduro Seizes More Power

The pro-government constitutional assembly loyal to Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro seized the powers of the opposition-led congress today, in a move that necessarily has Big Oil nervous that Trump will make good on his economic sanctions threat.

Maduro’s bold political move on Friday means further intensifies the dramatic decline of democracy that led Trump last week to threaten economic sanctions that could remove Venezuelan oil from the U.S. refining market.

It also comes right after Trump indicated that a ‘military option’ was not off the table.

The government has accused opposition leaders of conspiring with Washington to overthrow Maduro.

As Venezuela disintegrates politically and economically, big oil is stepping in to urge Washington to refrain from resorting to economic sanctions against the country, the third-largest supplier to the U.S.

U.S. energy giants rely heavily on trade with Venezuela - home to the world’s largest oil reserves - and the Trump administration’s move last week to sanction eight top Venezuelan officials coupled with talk of country-level economic sanctions could negatively affect U.S. refineries, and drive up gas prices.

Everyone from Chevron and Phillips 66 to Valero and Citgo - among others - process heavy crude oil from Venezuela along the U.S. Gulf Coast. It would be prohibitively expensive to replace Venezuela’s specific heavy crude with an alternative, as nearly two dozen major U.S. refineries are set up only to process this type of crude. Canada, Mexico and Colombia also provide heavy crude, but volumes are not considered to be high enough to replace Venezuelan. Saudi Arabia heavy crude would have to serve as a replacement, but a costly one.

Meanwhile, the letters of protest continue to find their way to the White House. Two letters pleading Trump to forego economic sanctions have been sent by the American Fuel & Petrochemicals Manufacturers advocacy group, of which Chevron is a member.

A third letter of appeal came from a group of lawmakers led by Texas Republican congressman Randy Weber.

The letter noted that while the group respected the efforts to deal with the “disturbing decline of democracy” in Venezuela, sanctions could end up losing Americans 525,000 refining-related jobs along the Gulf Coast.

International oil companies are said to be pulling staff out of Venezuela, especially after the end-July vote that Maduro orchestrated.

Repsol has recently pulled all of its foreign workers from Venezuela, Statoil has pulled out its expatriate staff, while Chevron and Total SA have withdrawn a small number of employees, according to Bloomberg.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...ro-seizes-more-power



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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International oil companies are said to be pulling staff out of Venezuela, especially after the end-July vote that Maduro orchestrated.

The real legislature has rejected the commission's authority to legislate or make oil leases. Anyone (like Rosneft) trying to get a sweetheart deal from Maduro is gambling heavily on Maduro's staying in office. Once he's gone, those oil deals are null and void.
 
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The real legislature has rejected the commission's authority to legislate or make oil leases. Anyone (like Rosneft) trying to get a sweetheart deal from Maduro is gambling heavily on Maduro's staying in office.

When are private companies going to learn that when you play with socialist dictators you always get burned? The only question is do you lose your investment sooner... or later?



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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Well, in this case we're talking about "private" companies from Russia. Remember, Putin hires and fires CEOs and "owners" of major private companies, whether through a quiet conversation or via the criminal justice system. I wish I could find a link to the quote, but Putin's said that all wealth belongs to the state rather than individuals, and individuals only get to enjoy wealth so long as the state (and, by extension, Putin and his cronies) enjoy the benefits of their having and managing that wealth.

There's no doubt that the Russians are trying to pick up oil at rock-bottom prices, just as they've picked up a position in the US market despite being banned by simply buying a large part of CITGO. That, along with downright perverse deals cut with the People's Republic of China is what has caused the legitimate Venezuelan congress to threaten to annul these agreements when Maduro and company have been given the heave-ho.
 
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It's all Trump's fault! Roll Eyes


Venezuela defaults on its debt, blames Trump

Venezuela has been declared a deadbeat on its debt by both Fitch Ratings and Standard & Poor's after it couldn't cough up $260 million for a couple of sovereign bond payments. Now any bond with Venezuela's name on it – and all the bonds issued in the country – will be affected. This will add up to billions. All that's left now is for the repo men of the bond world, the Investment Swaps and Derivatives Association (ISDA), to declare default to trigger cross-default clauses on a type of bond insurance known as credit default swaps for the deed to be complete. All the help Russia has been able to give to Venezuela, some of which was signed even this morning, was not enough.

So this should be a time of socialist reckoning, right? The comeuppance of socialism? Another example of socialism failing every time you try it? One of the historically richest countries in Latin America, and the country with the world's largest oil reserves, has been left a smoking ruin. It's defaulted on its sovereign debt, run out of money (the WSJ says it has just $1 billion in foreign reserves left), has widespread hunger, mass poverty, and the wreck of its medical system. The electrical company is bankrupt, the water isn't running, the bridges are falling apart, and now even the Caracas subway seems to be shutting down. The wages of socialism are there for all to see, and presumably reject, right?

Not for Chavista socialist Venezuela's rulers. They've got an answer for us: the problem is Trump. I kid you not.

At yesterday's creditors' meeting in Caracas, according to the Toronto Star:

Very little was announced and nothing was resolved, according to attendees who said they left just as confused about the government's intentions as they were going in. Vice President Tareck El Aissami was the only official to speak, and devoted most of his prepared remarks to railing against U.S. President Donald Trump and global financiers who he said have conspired to keep the country from making debt payments on time. He pledged the nation would continue to honour its obligations and work with bondholders to find new ways to get them their money, but offered no concrete proposals for restructuring.

See? If it weren't for Trump, all would be hunky-dory. Pay no attention to their failed socialist model out there for all to see, decades in the making. The crash is the work of Trump.

Like a delinquent who blames everyone but himself for his misdeeds, they are like leftists everywhere, unable to point the finger at themselves. It's that very inability to examine themselves and take responsibility for the horrific errors they engineered that ensures they won't be reforming any time soon, enough to pay their debts.

For the creditors, that message of incapacity to reform is the surest sign out there of a congenital deadbeat. So long as they keep blaming Trump for the sanctions on their ruling drug dealers, one of whom is El Aissami himself, they aren't ever going to crawl out of their hole.

http://www.americanthinker.com...bt_blames_trump.html



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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That's the problem with holding sovereign debt. You really can't repossess a country.
 
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... cognitive dissonance...


That has become the new buzz phrase since it was used on WestWorld.

Makes me want to slap people.

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but offered no concrete proposals for restructuring.

Not even a BS, one-sided offer? They're dumber than we thought or in an even more hopeless position than we thought.
 
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That's the problem with holding sovereign debt. You really can't repossess a country.


I disagree.

Reinstating imperialist rule would solve the debt issues as well as 99.99999% of the social problems that exist in the least reliable debtor nations.





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You really can't repossess a country.
Well...you can, but its kinda messy.


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Outsource to a PMC...kinda like debt collectors with guns.




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You really can't repossess a country.
Well...you can, but its kinda messy.

But don't put it past Russia...

Venezuela Signs $3.2 Billion Debt Restructuring Deal With Russia

As Venezuela teeters right on the brink of complete financial collapse, Bloomberg reports that Russia has agreed to restructure roughly $3.2 billion in outstanding obligations. While details of the restructuring agreement are scarce, both sides reported that the deal spreads payments out over 10 years with minimal cash service required over the next six years.

Russia signed an agreement to restructure $3.15 billion of debt owed by Venezuela, throwing a lifeline to a crisis-wracked ally that’s struggling to repay creditors.

The deal spreads the loan payments out over a decade, with “minimal” payments over the first six years, the Russian Finance Ministry said in a statement. The pact doesn’t cover obligations of state oil company Petroleos de Venezuela SA to its Russian counterpart Rosneft PJSC, however.

“The terms are flexible and very favorable for our country,” Wilmar Castro Soteldo, Venezuela’s economic vice president, told reporters in Moscow after the signing. “We will be able to return to the level of commercial relations with Russia that we had before,” he added, noting that a deal to buy Russian wheat will be signed next week.

This is the second time Russia has agreed to reschedule Venezuela’s debt payments after agreeing to an extension last year. Still, Caracas failed to make payments amid an economic crisis triggered by low prices for oil. Rosneft has also provided several billion dollars in advance payments for Venezuelan crude supplies.

The rescheduling pact is a “demonstration of the desire to maintain ties with the current Venezuelan leadership,” Viktor Kheifets, an expert in Venezuela at St. Petersburg State University, said by phone. “Russia isn’t happy with everything that the government there is doing but Venezuela is an ally where Russia has economic interests and Moscow is firmly against a forcible change of regime there.”

In a website statement announcing the deal, Russia’s Finance Ministry said, “The debt relief provided to the republic from the restructuring of its liabilities will allow funds to be allocated for the country’s economic development, to improve the debtor’s solvency and increase the chances of all creditors to recoup loans granted earlier to Venezuela.”



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...ucturing-deal-russia



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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Ha! Sean has spent his life escaping the consequences of his influence....


Of course not. He is an actor. And a good actor.

But, he is also JUST an actor. Anyone who puts more stock in a person's opinion just because someone is famous... is an idiot.

He may be able to play "pretend" but that does't mean he knows a damn thing about politics...

so, I emphatically say.... "Meh."

He is a legend in his own mind.





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Venezuela is starting to take hostages
By Monica Showalter

Venezuela arrested two Chevron employees in Caracas Monday on trumped up charges of corruption.

On the surface, the act looks just plain insane: Venezuela's oil industry has cratered into a heap of rubble. Production of oil has fallen to 1949 levels, and five-digit inflation is destroying the value of the currency. Those two events are related: some 25,000 highly skilled state oil company employees have walked away from their jobs, unable to stand working for worthless currency that won't even buy them a cup of coffee.

Oil is responsible for 90% of Venezuela's export earnings and pretty well finances the Chavista government. The only hope this disastrous oil-collapsed country has left for any reprieve is in its foreign investors, such as Chevron. Even the Chinese and the Russians, who had been Venezuela's great white sugar-daddy hope, aren't touching them. There's just Chevron and a few other companies, hedging their bets that the Chavistas won't last by their willingness to wait them out.

And now Venezuela is arresting them.

Suicide? Naaah. Last year, the Chavistas, in a good imitation of what their Iranian and Cuban allies do, took a U.S. hostage. He was a Mormon kid from Utah who fell in love with a Venezuelan woman and foolishly agreed to visit her in that country. For his trouble, he got arrested and thrown into in a Chavista dungeon, where he remains to this day, a sad hostage to the dictatorial regime of Nicolás Maduro. The motive for the senseless arrest was to use the kid as a bargaining chip for the two nephews of his wife, who were busted by the Drug Enforcement Administration in Haiti for big-league drug-trafficking while actually living in the palace household. The Mormon kid was taken as an exchange chip for getting the two drug-dealers out of the U.S. can. Thus far, it hasn't worked.

Now we see the same bargaining-chip behavior going on with foreign investors and oil workers. The Chavistas are under grave threat of sanctions, and all of their schemes to evade them, whether through the issuance of crypto-currency or courting Hollywood celebrities to sing their socialist praises, have come to naught. Now they're taking hostages.

Last weekend, Venezuela became the pig at the garden party of democracy at the annual Summit of the Americas in Peru, the nation singled out for its dictatorial socialism and its willingness to drive out vast portions of its people. There actually were pigs released into the streets of Lima to illustrate the point. The sanctions talk was strong, and more are about to be piled on.

Venezuela has no way out of this because the thugs in the presidential palace intend to hold on to power forever. They also have no external influence and no allies. But we know they watch North Korea admiringly and were pleased as punch about the North Korean murder of innocent U.S. student-hostage Otto Warmbier.

They looked, they saw, they considered their increasingly thin options – and, like outlaws, they grabbed two Chevron employees as hostages.

This is thuggishness taken beyond ordinary Chavista extremes. They are going to be grabbing more people as times goes on. It's all the more reason to enact the sanctions, and maybe something more forceful. Nothing must be left out there for them to retaliate against.

https://www.americanthinker.co...hevron_hostages.html



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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