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Originally posted by erj_pilot:

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
Why is that?

Is it their fault that the other Senators won't vote correctly?

Both fine Texans, but until you convince me otherwise, sir, I don't see either of them pushing or voting for FULL repeal. Plain and simple. "The will of the people", I believe is the phrase.....

Cruz has been calling for a full repeal for a while.

http://thehill.com/policy/heal...-repeal-of-obamacare

Put me in the camp that wants this thing to die. Let the dems own the whole freakin' failure. As pointed out, next year when the really bad provisions kick in, the people will be screaming from the roof tops. The 2018 elections will also make a difference for the republicans.

Senate bill is dead.

McConnell is now saying he will support Trump’s idea of passing clean repeal of Obamacare now and a replacement of Obamacare later

http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...w-replacement-later/

what they should have done from the start

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...health-care-n2356222

Just hours after two more Republican senators, Mike Lee (R-UT) and Jerry Moran (R-KS), came out against the Better Care Reconciliation Act, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell made an executive decision. He is reviving the same bill the GOP passed in 2015 (but was vetoed by President Obama), which would phase out Obamacare over the next two years.

The attempt to repeal and replace immediately, McConnell conceded, "will not be successful."

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Unfortunately McConnell and Ryan have not been very effective as leaders of the majority

They have wasted 6 months of the Trump administration in getting things thru congress

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Originally posted by lbj:
I am of the same mind, let this bill fail and let Obamacare implode.

The Republicans finally agreed this morning.

Fox News: Obamacare fix dies; GOP vows to repeal, start over

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Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., acknowledged the roadblock and, like Trump, said he plans a repeal vote. McConnell also mentioned a two-year delay for a substitute.

Sounds like something they could have done in January. "This stinker is repealed, effective in 2021"

But, better late than never.

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McConnell is now saying he will support Trump’s idea of passing clean repeal of Obamacare now and a replacement of Obamacare later
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what they should have done from the start

After 6 months of BS... they are finally going to do what they promised and fully repeal Obamacare?
Which they could have done on day One?

I am hopeful, gleeful even, but still a bit skeptical that all 52 who voted for repeal in 2015, when Obama was President and they knew it would be vetoed, would actually want to repeal this monster in full.

Do it! Burn it down! Salt the earth where it stood...

Then we can see if we can come to agreement on some other ideas.

This has always been what we wanted a voted for. Full repeal. Now we'll get to see which Senators are cowards. God, I want this garbage repealed so bad. I truly hope I eat my words from the previous page.

As much as I would like to see obozocare just disappear, I fear too many are suckling at the tit to let go and that the rinos don't have the testicular mass to repeal it outright.

If there is one thing they have shown, it is that even with a majority in both houses they are about as effective as a monkey fucking a football.

Too much wheeling and dealing and trying to get something for their vote. How about just voting what was promised and doing the right thing without trying to get some strings attached?


Healthcare is now a damned if you do, damned if you don't proposition. The tinkering they are trying to do is bound to cause problems that is "their" fault. If they do somehow manage a flat repeal, they will "own" taking care away, hell even if they do nothing and the current scheme fails, it will be the republicans fault for not fixing it.

Dems have to be happy as a pig in shit right now, they have essentially transferred the albatross to another's neck.

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Originally posted by 911Boss:
As much as I would like to see obozocare just disappear, I fear too many are suckling at the tit to let go and that the rinos don't have the testicular mass to repeal it outright.

If there is one thing they have shown, it is that even with a majority in both houses they are about as effective as a monkey fucking a football.

Too much wheeling and dealing and trying to get something for their vote. How about just voting what was promised and doing the right thing without trying to get some strings attached?


Healthcare is now a damned if you do, damned if you don't proposition. The tinkering they are trying to do is bound to cause problems that is "their" fault. If they do somehow manage a flat repeal, they will "own" taking care away, hell even if they do nothing and the current scheme fails, it will be the republicans fault for not fixing it.

Dems have to be happy as a pig in shit right now, they have essentially transferred the albatross to another's neck.

The funding can be repealed with 51 votes, so if they manage to scrape that together after the CBO comes out and says that 30 bazillion people will 'lose their healthcare' and eleventy million will likely die within weeks, I highly doubt they will get the votes to repeal the funding. Let's say they do for the sake of argument - that leaves thousands of pages of regulations and the contracts based on those regulations in effect. To think that the voters are not going to hold the republicans responsible for the looming disaster is a fantasy. They had a chance to pass a bill that would have improved the situation by removing mandates and giving people options, and they blew it.

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
Why is that?

Is it their fault that the other Senators won't vote correctly?

Both fine Texans, but until you convince me otherwise, sir, I don't see either of them pushing or voting for FULL repeal. Plain and simple. "The will of the people", I believe is the phrase.....

OTOH, there is some benefit to having a very senior Senator of your party from Texas, who has undoubtedly done a great many good things you would approve of if we were to make a list.

Instead, you propose to withhold your vote if he does run, making it somewhat more risky that he would lose to a new guy in the GOP primary who then is a great risk to lose to a God Damned Commie who will then gut the Second Amendment.

Cornyn runs again in 2020. Cruz is up in 2018. Cruz is less senior than Cornyn, but just as valuable, even more so on Court confirmations and Second Amendment. Both of them are actively involved in getting some repudiation of O care. Neither are the problem. The problem is without 60 votes, it can only be possible through reconciliation, and there is no margin for error. How is that their fault? I suggest that Cruz, in not supporting the House version, is contributing to a stronger ultimate bill. Of course, the House will have to approve whatever the Senate does and vice versa.

Refusing to support either is foolish, IMnotalwayssoHO. This "my way or the highway" attitude is the Achilles heel of conservative politics.

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Dems have to be happy as a pig in shit right now, they have essentially transferred the albatross to another's neck.

Swampcare would have essentially saved Obamacare and transferred the albatross to the Republican's neck.

A clean repeal is what their voters elected them to do. Sure, they will have to deal with the screaming banshees, Chuck U and the media, but I think they may be just a little bit less fearful of the media as DJT has shown them that CNN isn't so large and powerful. At least they will retain their base and not completely lose the country if they vote to repeal.

There are ways to help more people get affordable care without destroying the insurance market. That should be the goal AFTER a full repeal.

What destroys the insurance market?

Incessant government meddling, costly idiotic regulation, uncertainty.

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You are, of course, correct and the voice of reason; call it a reactionary response on my part. I'm just sick and tired (as I'm sure we ALL are) of the Repubs/RINOs ALWAYS playing from behind. You gotta hand it to those Dema-tards.....they stick together and stay on course with their Socialism, Communism, PC bullcrap, and Anti-America game plan.

I've had the same conversation with my mom that you're having with me when she says she won't vote for an "R" because they haven't said they're pro-life. I've told her we have to look at the bigger picture and bigger problems and Roe v. Wade is waaaaaaaaaay down there on the list of problems with this country. Still important, but shouldn't be the ONE focal point.

Thanks JALLEN!!!

The Republicans are the equivalent of a barking dog chasing a vehicle. When the vehicle stops the barking dog (Republicans - are) is perplexed as what to do next.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Dems have to be happy as a pig in shit right now, they have essentially transferred the albatross to another's neck.

Swampcare would have essentially saved Obamacare and transferred the albatross to the Republican's neck.

So voters gave republicans a clean sweep - majorities in the house, senate and the presidency and told them to fix Obamacare. You really think they are not going to hold republicans responsible for doing nothing to fix it?

The vast majority of people would have been happy to have the mandates repealed and to be given more choices, but that's not going to happen now. I don't see how anyone can make a realistic argument that the republicans do not fully own healthcare now given that they have full control of all branches of the government and chose to keep obamacare in place.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
at first I wanted to pass a bill but now I am starting to re-think that position

I think they should let the bill die

I think what they should do is allow ZippyCare continue to implode to the point where its utterly dead, and is repealed by default

I agree. Leave Obamacare as was passed and reinstate the penalties.

Trump should give one of those 9 p.m. talks to the nation from the Oval Office and lay out what the problem is and what's really going on in Congress. He needs to say how Congress has not heard from the people and so is unable or unwilling to do what is necessary. He should outline the major bad things that are going to happen as Obamacare implodes, as insurance companies pull out of the markets, employers limit employee hours so as to not trigger Obamacare requirements, etc. Then tell the people that if they don't want this to happen, they need to get off their asses and let their senators and reps know.

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Sounds like something they could have done in January. "This stinker is repealed, effective in 2021"

What the hell is repealed!?!?!?!

Effective in 2021?

Just more BS by the GOPe, who really don't want to repeal anything. They have to toe the line or their lobbyist donors will cancel their reserved spots at the money trough.

Taking a 30,000 ft view of this clusterf%$k makes me want to throw up.

Every republican ran on repeal and replace and they had almost 8 years to figure out how to do it.
Instead they just gave us lip service and failed to do their freakin' job!

JALLEN, with all due respect, I don't care how senior your senator might be they failed to follow through on their promise and for that they out to be fired on their next election cycle. It's time to hold their feet to the proverbial fire.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
What destroys the insurance market?

Incessant government meddling, costly idiotic regulation, uncertainty.

Don't see that the insurance market has been destroyed. What I see is that all the conglomeration of insurance companies has eliminated real competition. Helped, of course, by favorable gubbermint approvals. Amazing what a few million in "contributions" can accomplish.

If they can't get a replacement through, they won't be able to get a repeal through. That will have even less support.

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Every republican ran on repeal and replace and they had almost 8 years to figure out how to do it.
Instead they just gave us lip service and failed to do their freakin' job!

I agree with this viewpoint. If they cannot be effective, they should be replaced and so on ad infinitum UNTIL, effective representatives can be elected.

These people seem to forget that they work for us, not vice versa. They have anointed themselves as a ruling class and that is not what America is about. The voice of the people said remove this abomination from our necks. They failed, they must go.

RMD