If you want to get tough and are of legal age, sign up while you are at it.

The late summer rains they got bought kimmie some time, probably until next spring. If they go through another serious drought again kimmie will have to start a war to thin the population or risk getting overthrown.

He is probably insane but that doesn't mean he isn't smart

One would have to think that this clown's regime would be ripe for a coup and would likely be supported by NK masses.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2...efector-reveals.html

Were I king DF, I'd be eerily quiet but attentive the same way a huge wasp nest is when something unwanted gets close.

The Japanese PM has said that the time for dialog with N.Korea is over.

It's easy for us to preach patience and moderation because that bastard has not fired a missile over our heads.... After detonating a hydrogen bomb.

“Preventive war is like committing suicide out of fear of death.”— Otto von Bismarck

We don't do anything unless one of his missiles impacts on American land territory (i.e. Guam); then its a "rain of fire".

The ChiComs need a buffer state between them and the West (South Korea and Japan), and won't accept US troops on the Yalu River. China will have to take out this little shit in order to solve this problem.

Would the Chinese be ok with it if we made NK too radioactive for anybody to inhabit for the next few thousand years instead of occupying it?

From Outpost Dora, which is right on the border, you can easily see Seoul. The Outpost is where one of the North Korean's infiltration tunnels was found. It's a given that any fighting will devastate the capital.

There are known to be 17-20 tunnels under the border. They just need the exits blown open and NK special forces can start attacking targets. That's in addition to sleeper agents already in the South. If Kim can load a nuclear bomb on a Jeep, he can drive it South.

The North's population has been indoctrinated for over 60 years. All their knowledge has been given by the state. People are expected to inform on each other. The inhabitants of Pyongyang are the elites. They have much to lose should the regime fall.

The Kim family is held in Demi-god status. "Based on Kim Jong-iI’s official biography, he was born on Korea’s most sacred mountain, Mt. Baekdu. At the moment of his birth, a new star formed and illuminated the sky -- the seasons suddenly changed from winter to spring and a double rainbow appeared."

It's very doubtful the population will revolt. Perhaps a cabal of generals would make Kim a figurehead. However, they would likely be more hardcore then the current regime.

http://www.thecitizen.in/index...OldNewsPage/?Id=5195

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Originally posted by 2BobTanner:
China will have to take out this little shit in order to solve this problem.

Unless we force them to (cutting off ALL trade), China doesn't have to do shit. Kim is no threat to them with or without nuclear weapons.

Yeah, but if you were the People's Republic of China, would you trust an operation run by Li'l Kim to avoid either an accident or war that would spill some form of radiation over the border in significant quantities? From the Bing map there seem to be some pretty substantial Chinese cities just across the southern portion of the North Korean border. Dealing with this guy proactively really would be in the PRC's best interests.

I'm convinced that they'd much rather sit back and watch him fuck with us at this point.

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Originally posted by the_sandman_454:
Would the Chinese be ok with it if we made NK too radioactive for anybody to inhabit for the next few thousand years instead of occupying it?

Have you looked at the map? If you could even do that you would also fuck up China, South Korea, and Japan. Not a good way to keep friends.

Anyway, the radioisotopes from a nuke weapon don't last as look as power plant fuel. Las Vegas, White Sands, Nagasaki, and Hiroshima are back to normal background.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
Maybe. What's the diff? As long as they do nothing why must we do something?

"To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war."
-- Winston Churchill

Time moves on, during which they are, unfortunately, not doing nothing - rather they are preparing.

They are testing, improving, and in the process making our allies (Japan, e.g.) wonder what exact benefits being a US ally conveys, if third-rate countries can throw nuclear-capable missiles over their territory repeatedly, with impunity.

IOW, they are getting stronger and making our alliances weaker.

I'm sure Neville Chamberlain would love to have gotten back all the time he wasted in being non-confrontational while his enemy armed and trained. In geopolitics, you don't get a do-over.

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Originally posted by PD:

quote:

Originally posted by the_sandman_454:
Would the Chinese be ok with it if we made NK too radioactive for anybody to inhabit for the next few thousand years instead of occupying it?

Have you looked at the map? If you could even do that you would also fuck up China, South Korea, and Japan. Not a good way to keep friends.

Anyway, the radioisotopes from a nuke weapon don't last as look as power plant fuel. Las Vegas, White Sands, Nagasaki, and Hiroshima are back to normal background.

I didn't necessarily mean use thermonuclear weapons to cause that, for reasons mentioned. We could just turn it into our new radioactive waste dump. Solves the problem of anybody wanting to occupy it or cross it. I imagine the folks in China and SK might not like that plan either though.

This is the pattern. They start doing stuff. Pressure builds on the US President to "do something." There is a period of chest thumping, foot stomping, bellicose messages. Pressure keeps on building.

Eventually, the Nokos say what they want, in exchange for stopping whatever it is that is making us crazy. A deal is worked out, promises are made, "we will do all this in return for you stopping doing that."

The US does it, but the Nokos start up again. Lather, scrub, rinse, repeat.

This time, in return for dropping sanctions, promising to not impose them any further, and enough economic aid to make NoKo a workers paradise, "car in every garage, chicken in every pot," they agree to stop their development and swear off the nukes.

Papers are drawn, signed, press releases are sent, editorials written praising all concerned, etc, and it's over, until next time when the price of agreement is even higher

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Originally posted by the_sandman_454:
We could just turn it into our new radioactive waste dump. Solves the problem of anybody wanting to occupy it or cross it. I imagine the folks in China and SK might not like that plan either though.

Think like West Germany merging with East Germany and becoming one Germany. I'm willing to bet that that's how South Korea is thinking.

NK will never make, nor abide by any 'deal'

the solution to NK is to wipe them from the face of the planet

just the government, the people outside Pyongyang are pawns

NK response to Trump


https://www.yahoo.com/news/nor...ck-us-202235594.html

NKorea: Trump insult makes attack on US 'more inevitable'


UNITED NATIONS (AP) — North Korea's foreign minister told world leaders Saturday that U.S. President Donald Trump's insult calling leader Kim Jong Un "rocket man" makes "our rocket's visit to the entire U.S. mainland inevitable all the more."

Ri Yong Ho called the American president "a mentally deranged person full of megalomania and complacency" with his finger on the "nuclear button." And he said Trump's "reckless and violent words" had provoked "the supreme dignity" of North Korea and "rendered this sacred U.N. arena tainted."

Ri's highly anticipated speech to the General Assembly's annual ministerial meeting fueled the fiery rhetoric between the U.S. Republican president and North Korea's young leader.

Trump threatened in his speech to the 193-member world body on Tuesday to "totally destroy" North Korea if forced to defend the U.S. or its allies. Kim, in an unusual direct statement to the world, responded pledging to take "highest-level" action against the United States.

"None other than Trump himself is on a suicide mission," Ri told the assembly Saturday. "In case innocent lives of the U.S. are lost because of this suicide attack, Trump will be held totally responsible."

In a show of American military might, U.S. bombers and fighter escorts flew in international airspace on Saturday to the farthest point north of the border between North Korea and South Korea that any such American aircraft has gone in this century.

Defense Department spokesman Dana White said the mission demonstrated "U.S. resolve and a clear message that the president has many military options to defeat any threat." He said it showed how seriously Trump takes North Korea's "reckless behavior."

Ri called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea — the country's official name — "a responsible nuclear weapon state."

But he warned that "we will take preventive measures by merciless pre-emptive action in case the U.S. and its vassal forces show any sign of conducting a kind of 'decapitating' operation on our headquarters or military attack against our country."

Ri said, however, that North Korea has no intention of using or threatening to use nuclear weapons against countries that don't join U.S. military actions against the DPRK.

The U.N. Security Council has imposed its toughest sanctions ever against Pyongyang, but Ri said "it is only a forlorn hope to consider any chance that the DPRK would be shaken an inch or change its stance due to the harsher sanctions by the hostile forces."

Ri suggested to reporters Friday in New York that his country could conduct an atmospheric hydrogen bomb test to fulfill Kim's vow to take action. But he made no mention of such a test Saturday.

He did say that North Korea's recent successful "ICBM-mountable H-bomb test" was part of the effort to complete the country's nuclear force.

"Our national nuclear force is, to all intents and purposes, a war deterrent for putting an end to nuclear threat of the U.S. and for preventing its military invasion," Ri said, "and our ultimate goal is to establish the balance of power with the U.S."

The foreign minister's opening remarks reflected the deep anger in North Korea at Trump's derisive nickname for Kim, who is revered by many people in the North.

During Trump's eight months in power, Ri said the American president had turned the White House "into a noisy marketing place," and now he has tried to turn the United Nations "into a gangsters' nest where money is respected and bloodshed is the order of the day."

The North Korean minister called Trump a "gambler who grew old using threats, frauds and all other schemes to acquire a patch of land" and claimed he is even derided by the American people as "Commander in Grief," ''Lyin King," and "President Evil."

"Due to his lacking of basic common knowledge and proper sentiment, he tried to insult the supreme dignity of my country by referring it to a rocket," Ri said. "By doing so, however, he committed an irreversible mistake of making our rockets' visit to the entire U.S. mainland inevitable all the more."

Kim has been saying what he will do, and working toward doing it. And the response of many here has been, "What does he really want?" Or, "Oh, they always do this kind of thing."

No, they don't. And he's been clear about what he really wants. He has been saying, consistently, that he wants to destroy the US with nuclear missiles. And step by step he gets closer by the month. Last month, he detonated a hydrogen bomb. A couple of weeks ago, one of his ICBMs flew over and well beyond Japan . With every success, he repeats that his goal is to hit the US mainland with nuclear missiles.

Know what I think? I think he plans to hit the US mainland with nuclear missiles. It is often hard to understand that someone might have plans that we regard as irrational, even psychotic. But the man who says he wants to hit the US with nuclear missiles also believes that he is a god. And his people-- worship him. Is that irrational? Psychotic?

If we make it our highest priority to take him out-- him personally, not destroy NKorea-- I believe we can do it. Or, more likely, have it done.