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My concern is that this nation is becoming increasing socialistic, believing they will be in a better financial position (ie, they have a right to live from their neighbor's wallet).

Problem is, per Orwell, all animals are equal, but gov't animals are more equal. The gov't becomes a dictator, which serves self and oppresses the people.

I am a bit surprised how many don't see that.


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Joe Biden:

"I had nurses at Walter Reed hospital who would bend down and whisper in my ear, go home and get me pillows...

 
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And in this weekend's entry in the "Eating Their Own" column...

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Biden's Campaign Is 'Supporessing The Hispanic Vote' In Florida, An Internal Letter Claims
Bianca Padro Ocasio, Miami Herald, July 25, 2020

Over 90 field organizers for the Florida Democratic Party signed a scathing letter Friday to the party's leadership, claiming among other things that the campaign is "suppressing the Hispanic vote" in Central Florida. The seven-page letter, obtained by the Miami Herald, contains eight allegations from field organizers about what they say is a lack of a "fully actionable field plan" from the Biden campaign as it transitions into the Florida party to coordinate voter outreach efforts. This letter comes 100 days out from the general election and as polls show enthusiasm about voting among Latinos in battleground states like Florida could be waning in light of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Among the claims: mistreatment of field organizers, relocating trained staff members without explanation, lack of organizing resources and taking on volunteers who are then left in limbo. In a battleground state where elections are historically won by thin margins - and as presidential campaigns ramp up outreach efforts in Florida's Hispanic communities - organizers claim that the Coordinated Campaign lacks key infrastructure and perpetuates a "toxic" work culture that is hurting morale among on-the-ground staffers.

One big issue is that at least a handful of organizers were recently transferred from a heavily-Puerto Rican part of the state to counties with a small percentage of Hispanics. "Four of five Spanish-speaking organizers along the I-4 corridor who were moved to North Florida were Puerto Rican," the letter says. Field organizers add that input from staffers connected to Puerto Ricans living in Central Florida is often dismissed. "The [Coordinated Campaign of Florida] is suppressing the Hispanic vote by removing Spanish-speaking organizers from Central Florida without explanation, which fails to confront a system of white-dominated politics we are supposed to be working against as organizers of a progressive party," the letter adds.

A Democratic official familiar with internal discussions who asked not to be named said the letter comes amid negotiations between the Coordinated Campaign in Florida and the field organizer's union, the IBEW Local 824. The official said organizers have not been updated on their individual assignments due to the ongoing union negotiations, which predate the letter. Jackie Lee, Biden for President Florida state director, said in a statement the campaign has an "open-door" policy and its leadership in Florida is consulting with IBEW Local 824 on "many of the issues" discussed in the letter. "We look forward to discussing them with organizers and getting their feedback as soon as able," Lee said. "The stakes of this election are critical, and we are committed to working with our organizers and Florida Democrats at every level in order to build a strong, successful Coordinated Campaign." Lee added that for the past six weeks, "no staff were asked to move or relocate, either from out of state or within states."

The 94 signatories, most of whom have been working directly with the FDP, are responsible for the day-to-day outreach to potential voters, including phone banking and community organizing to campaign for candidates at the local, statewide and presidential levels. The letter, which several sources told the Herald was circulated Friday among the leadership of the state's Coordinated Campaign, was sent days after Florida Democratic County chairs expressed similar concerns to party leadership that the Biden campaign risks repeating some of the mistakes of the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2016.

Organizers say in the memo that while they have expressed frustration with the campaign's missteps in Florida, some staff members have been "lectured" as a result, and their concerns dismissed as "unnecessary and wrong". And the signatories stress that while some employees have been brought from out of state to supervise field staffers, the state party's field organizers have not been given priority. "We are roughly 100 days out from the election, and there is no functional targeted field outreach and organizing of the Hispanic/Spanish-speaking, Brazilian/Portuguese-speaking, and Haitian/Creole-speaking communities in our state," the letter states. "There are no targets, scripts, data infrastructure, community outreach or phonebanks established for this."

Among the requests from the field organizers is for the Coordinated Campaign to:
- Apologize for "treatment of field staff;"
- Commit to restoring organizers back to their original locations;
- Give adequate notice of planned events and job openings;
- Resume previous organizing activities that have been halted;
- Provide more support for county chairs.

"It is necessary to emphasize that despite this lack of preparedness by leadership, existing productive work was halted and the little strategy that was shared is ill-suited for the new dynamics of remote organizing," organizers said in the letter.

In recent general election polls, the former vice president appears to be leading President Donald Trump, including among Hispanic voters. In Florida, the Democratic Party official added that the Coordinated Campaign is still recruiting bilingual organizers in Miami-Dade, Broward, Orange and Osceola counties ahead of the election. And in an effort to further their engagement with Hispanics, the Biden campaign announced earlier this month it was coordinating with one of the nation's top Hispanic polling firms, Latino Decisions.

Still, according to the field organizers who spoke with the Herald on condition of anonymity over fears of retaliation, they attribute the lack fo the communication in part to a generational gap withing the party's structure. "A lot of field organizers are young and with that comes different views of workplace norms, the kind of culture we want to establish," said one field organizer who is currently based in Central Florida. "The way you treat your lowest-ranked employees says a lot about you as an organization...especially in electoral work, when organizers are the ones on the front lines, the ones you're asking to make 400 calls a day, the ones you're asking to make real connections with voters on the ground," the organizer said.

Another organizer said being asked to suddenly relocate has led to uncertainty over housing in the midst of the raging COVID-19 pandemic. "We were told that we would get placement calls about where we thought we should be best placed and where we'd be most effective," the organizer said. "A number of organizers didn't even get those calls...Since then, as we kind of merged into the Coordinating Campaign, we just haven't been kept in the loop."

The field organizer based in Central Florida said that while they all have a unified goal, many organizers feel unheard and unseen by the Coordinated Campaign in the few months leading up to the election. "It's disappointing, but I can't say that I'm surprised, the staffer said. "I just hope that it will be reckoned with soon."


Some compression for space. Full original text at http://www.yahoo.com/news/bide...-vote-180950158.html

I don't know about you guys, but I could swear that's an article about snowflakes in a workplace dispute with their employers rather than any real attempt to "suppress the Hispanic vote". Either Biden is truly the Democrats' Sacrificial Goat Of All Sacrificial Goats, or the media has become so addicted to hysteria that it's completely lost the ability to distinguish between friend and foe.

Still, it sure looks like Biden's bogged down in Florida. The campaign is still negotiating with the union. The union, whether through concessions or through courtesies meant to help negotiations along, seems to not only be willing to hold the campaign hostage but actively trying to control the way the campaign hires and deploys people in the field. The organizers don't just want more labor-type concessions, they actually think it's their role to change the workplace environment so that they aren't "lectured" about what they don't know or told to refocus their attention on what the campaign considers important rather than what seems interesting to them. How can the campaign possibly react quickly if it finds new talent it wants to hire, needs to redeploy people to different battle grounds within the state or have different campaign workers work with different constituencies?

And yes, IMHO they will have to react quickly. Until they hammer down the negotiations with the union, they can't really set a plan for a campaign in its last three critical months. The alternative is to keep working it out with the union on the fly. The union wouldn't mind, because it would be easier to demand more and play a bigger role in how the campaign is run. The 'organizers' wouldn't mind, because this would get them paid more and moved less, while effectively giving them a huge role in making broad decisions in how the campaign is run. But this would truly suck for the guys who actually pick up the phone when Biden calls and wants to know how things are going in Florida - they would have all of the responsibility and only a fraction of a share of the power to actually make and carry out decisions.

I think I'm going to go ahead and just keep an eye on Florida to see how big of a cluster this winds up being. This might turn out to be hugely entertaining after the last few presidential races there.
 
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which fails to confront a system of white-dominated politics we are supposed to be working against as organizers of a progressive party,"


Great. Trying to get the 500,000 Puerto Ricans who moved to Florida to now vote for Biden.

People who came from a totally disastrous economic environment to now influence a system that is vastly more productive and sustainable
 
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How long can the Democrat party keep hiding the guy from public view?
The fact that he is polling much better when completely out of sight is interesting.
Now that Trump is starting to advertise more and hit back his numbers should start to rise. The media will be in a meltdown and try even harder to keep people in fear over anything they can think of.


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^^^ Think evil. If the campaign's a mess somewhere, Biden will either have to be conspicuous in straightening it out or be conspicuous by his absence. And you know that Trump is gonna spank him in public for it either way.
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Great. Trying to get the 500,000 Puerto Ricans who moved to Florida to now vote for Biden.

Let's see how many Puerto Ricans wind up voting for Biden. Remember, these are the younger ones making all of this PC noise and it's hard to see how they made it to Florida without the guidance of responsible adults. Depending on how long they've been in Florida, a Puerto Rican in their early twenties may not actually have known enough when they left to understand the problems Puerto Rico is facing - but their parents certainly were.
 
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biden is supposed to be the 'leader' of his party. the party is supposed to support his vision of how the country will be governed if he were to be elected.

the problem is biden has no ideas of his own, or none that he can remember. his ideas are those of soros, the dnc, the democrat/socialists and pelosi. biden is their puppet.
 
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Yep, he's a follower, not a leader. It couldn't be clearer.


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biden is supposed to be the 'leader' of his party. the party is supposed to support his vision of how the country will be governed if he were to be elected.

the problem is biden has no ideas of his own, or none that he can remember. his ideas are those of soros, the dnc, the democrat/socialists and pelosi. biden is their puppet.


So the big question for me is, who would really be commanding the ship if Biden is elected?




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biden is supposed to be the 'leader' of his party. the party is supposed to support his vision of how the country will be governed if he were to be elected.

the problem is biden has no ideas of his own, or none that he can remember. his ideas are those of soros, the dnc, the democrat/socialists and pelosi. biden is their puppet.


So the big question for me is, who would really be commanding the ship if Biden is elected?

The same guys that magically put a black freshman senator that no one had heard of in the White House.


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Chris Wallace has requested that uncle Joe tak an in depth interview similat what our President took. He was told that Biden was unavailable. Wallace says that he will ask every week over again for this interview. Let's see if it pans out or if Biden will need written questions in advance or some other gimic.


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That someone who can barely string a coherent sentence together is being considered for the most powerful position on the planet shows just how badly TDS-16 mutated into TDS-20.

Hard to imagine that any rational, moderate person with more than a couple of functioning braincells seeing his almost daily gaffes being enthusiastic that he is the ONE that has emerged at the 'top'...

Eventually he's going to have to do more than just 'answer' a couple scripted questions, right??? Right??

$.02 worth.

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That someone who can barely string a coherent sentence together is being considered for the powerful position on the planet shows just how badly TDS-16 mutated into TDS-20.

Hard to imagine that any rational, moderate person with more than a couple of functioning braincells seeing his his almost daily gaffes being enthusiastic that he is the ONE that has emerged at the 'top'...
It's much worse than that.

Regular members of this forum know that I am about as anti-conspiracy as a person can get, so, keep that in mind when you read this:

The DNC ended up with Biden as their candidate because there were no other viable choices who performed well in the primaries. Now that they are stuck with Biden, and now that it is glaringly obvious that the man is in the early stages of dementia, they have formulated a plan; whomever they choose as Biden's VP candidate will become POTUS when Biden is removed from office under Section IV of the 25th Amendment of the Constitution. They won't waste any time, either. Once Biden is allowed to babble and drool at press conferences and public events, he will be removed from office very rapidly, and we will end up with President Keisha Lance Bottoms, Michelle Obama, Stacey Abrams or the like.
 
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^^^ If you're right, there oughtta be a fight for the Veep slot that's vicious enough to be visible.
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So the big question for me is, who would really be commanding the ship if Biden is elected?

Whoever speaks to him last, provided it's in the last five minutes. The likeliest scenario seems to be that everyone just underneath him will claim to have received a mandate from him at one time or another, and then everyone will fight it out behind his back.
 
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^^Indeed. Which is likely why at ~117 days out we still don't have a clear VP candidate pick yet...

Likely a candidate who dropped out due to lack of support is now going to effectively be their 'forced' choice.

Awkward...

It's highly likely there's going to be some historical 'turns of events' in the next ~3 1/2 months.

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Originally posted by parabellum:. . . Regular members of this forum know that I am about as anti-conspiracy as a person can get, so, keep that in mind when you read this:

The DNC ended up with Biden as their candidate because there were no other viable choices who performed well in the primaries. Now that they are stuck with Biden, and now that it is glaringly obvious that the man is in the early stages of dementia, they have formulated a plan; whomever they choose as Biden's VP candidate will become POTUS when Biden is removed from office under Section IV of the 25th Amendment of the Constitution. They won't waste any time, either. Once Biden is allowed to babble and drool at press conferences and public events, he will be removed from office very rapidly, and we will end up with President Keisha Lance Bottoms, Michelle Obama, Stacey Abrams or the like.


With the power grabbing related to the pandemic, the riots for "justice", and what I believe is and will be related economic commotion, this Fall could be quite politically stormy. I believe good will win in the end, but that doesn't mean it will be a smooth journey.




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Democrat presidential nominee Joe Biden is a “Trojan Horse candidate” who will be exploited by the radical left, Trump’s re-election campaign Communications Director Tim Murtaugh said in an interview Saturday.

“Joe Biden is an empty vessel. He’s a Trojan Horse candidate that the extreme left will use to fill and advance their radical agenda,” Murtaugh told SiriusXM’s Breitbart News Saturday
 
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They need to come out an state it explicitly to the American people and leave no doubt: Section IV of the 25th Amendment of the Constitution will be invoked by the Washington leftists. This is no time to be subtle, They need to explain this in clear and unequivocal terms; they need to spell it out to the American people in such a way that leaves no doubt- if you elect Joe Biden, you will be complicit in a conspiracy to seize the office of POTUS by radicals who have no business in power.
 
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Biggest Idiot Democrats Ever Nominated.


It took half a second for me to get that. Smile

I do have some angst re some good friends who vilify Trump, blame him for the nations problems; and believe Biden, regardless of his myriad of failings, will somehow save the nation.




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