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Originally posted by CaptainMike:
Elections should be sacrosanct.

The penalties for fraud should be very serious indeed. 10 or 20 year prison terms MINIMUM.

Bullshit. Death sentence. Treasonous conduct, only a small step away from levying actual war, and should be treated as such.

I think we should spend as much on Voter Fraud investigations as they have spent on the so called Russian investigation. Except use real investigators. And prosecute...

More problems in Broward County delay the recount. Amazing and troubling.

https://www.breitbart.com/news...-of-florida-recount/

Nov. 11 (UPI) — Florida’s statewide recount began Sunday morning after a three-hour delay amid a series of technical glitches with Broward County’s counting machines, elections officials said.

One machine failed to register all ballots during a testing period, causing the delay, the South Florida Sun Sentinel newspaper reported.

Two counting machines that were expected to be delivered to Orlando for the recount were diverted to Broward County to assist with process there.

On Saturday, Florida’s secretary of state officially ordered machine recounts in three statewide elections — U.S. senator, governor and agriculture commissioner. Results in each race were within a half-percentage point, the threshold for triggering a machine recount.

County election officials were expected to report the results of the machine recount by 3 p.m. Thursday. If the results are within 0.25 percent, the state will order a hand recount to completed by noon Nov. 18.

The Senate race is within 0.15 percent — with Republican Gov. Rick Scott leading incumbent U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson by less than 13,000 votes out of more than 8 million votes cast — 4,098,107 to 4,085,545 — in Tuesday’s election.

In the race for governor, the margin is less than 34,000 votes or 0.41 percent. Republican Ron DeSantis, who resigned as a member of the U.S. House to run for governor, has 4,075,879 votes to Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum’s 4,4042,195.

Republicans blamed problems in Broward County on the design of the ballot there.

“The ballot was laid out in an incompetent fashion by the incompetent supervisor of elections,” Scott’s attorney, Bill Scherer, said.

“The ballot was laid out in an incompetent fashion by the incompetent supervisor of elections,” he said, referring to Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes.

Polling blog FiveThirtyEight questioned whether the position of the Senate race on the Broward County ballot — in the bottom left-hand corner of Page 1 — meant some voters skipped over the race. In Broward, some 26,060 fewer people casts votes for the Senate race compared to the governor’s race — a 3.7 percent difference.

All other counties had less than 0.8 percent difference in votes cast for the two races.

“People can and do make mistakes based on design,” Whitney Quesenbery, a ballot expert with the Center for Civic Design told the Sun Sentinel.

Nelson’s lawyer, Marc Elias, though, said he believes the machine counters may be to blame.

“I am pretty confident what you are going to see are markings that were not picked up by the machines or a calibration issue that was not registering that part of the ballot,” he said.

Meanwhile, in Arizona, Democrat Kirsten Sinema increased her lead over Republican Martha McSally in their Senate race to more than 30,000, or 1.43 percent on Sunday.

A questions to those who have voted on Florida via machine, especially in Broward County.

Don't the machines being used alert the voter if a vote was not detected for any candidate or question? Here in Illinois they do, let you review what was detected, and allow you the option of correct or continue. Also you get to review the entire ballot you voted on to make sure it looks correct to you before you finalize your vote for official recording.

I ask because this was reported.

Polling blog FiveThirtyEight questioned whether the position of the Senate race on the Broward County ballot — in the bottom left-hand corner of Page 1 — meant some voters skipped over the race. In Broward, some 26,060 fewer people casts votes for the Senate race compared to the governor’s race — a 3.7 percent difference.

All other counties had less than 0.8 percent difference in votes cast for the two races.

“People can and do make mistakes based on design,” Whitney Quesenbery, a ballot expert with the Center for Civic Design told the Sun Sentinel.

Nelson’s lawyer, Marc Elias, though, said he believes the machine counters may be to blame.

“I am pretty confident what you are going to see are markings that were not picked up by the machines or a calibration issue that was not registering that part of the ballot,” he said.

quote:

Originally posted by CaptainMike:
Elections should be sacrosanct.

The penalties for fraud should be very serious indeed. 10 or 20 year prison terms MINIMUM.
These thieving conniving rat-bastards aren't going to stop pulling this crap as long as they think they will at worst get a plea bargained slap on the wrist. IF they get caught red-handed.
I personally lean towards the death penalty, but that would never get legislated.

I’m with you on the death penalty. Public execution by hanging. Do it on the public square, broadcast it on tv, and livestream it on the Internet. It really is treason to mess with elections and should be punished accordingly. On the positive side, there probably wouldn’t need to be that many public executions before the behavior was largely curtailed...

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“I am pretty confident what you are going to see are markings that were not picked up by the machines or a calibration issue that was not registering that part of the ballot,” he said.

Now that they've had a few days to fill those marks in for those who forgot, I'm sure they will be picked up.

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Originally posted by CaptainMike:
Elections should be sacrosanct.

I agree.

Election Fraud or Tampering and so on, including acts done by those we elect and appoint, ought to rank right up there with Sedition and literal Treason, as clear enemy actions.

It attacks the very foundation of the Republic itself, perhaps more so than a Terrorist.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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“I am pretty confident what you are going to see are markings that were not picked up by the machines or a calibration issue that was not registering that part of the ballot,” he said.

Now that they've had a few days to fill those marks in for those who forgot, I'm sure they will be picked up.

In other words the democrats are saying now "don't be surprised if Bill Nelson picks up 16,000 votes in the Broward county recount" which of course will win him the election.

You just can't make this shit up.

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Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi lashed out at the Florida Department of Law Enforcement on Sunday, saying she was "deeply troubled" that they hadn't opened an investigation into claims of voter fraud in Broward and Palm Beach counties.

“Your duty to investigate this matter is clear,” Bondi wrote, in a letter to FDLE Commissioner Rick Swearingen. “I am directing you to take the necessary steps to promote public safety and to assure that our state will guarantee integrity in our election process.”

Bondi, a Tampa Republican, also sent a letter to Secretary of State Ken Detzner, demanding his office report all election irregularities in Broward and Palm Beach counties to the Office of Statewide Prosecution, which reports to her. The FDLE is an independent law enforcement agency, and therefore not required to follow her directives.

https://www.wfla.com/news/poli...ter-fraud/1590203726

hoping this report is true

https://www.politico.com/state...cott-desantis-691675

So many controversies have bedeviled Broward County Elections Supervisor Brenda Snipes — culminating in her office’s troubles in the aftermath of Florida’s chaotic 2018 elections — that her days in office are now numbered, insiders and lawmakers say.

She’s losing support from fellow Democrats and faces the increasing likelihood of an embarrassing suspension from office at the hands of either Gov. Rick Scott or his likely successor, Ron DeSantis.

Suspending Snipes from office would put a final exclamation point on one of the most contested midterms in recent Florida history, which has resulted in three statewide recounts — for U.S. Senate, governor and agriculture commissioner — as well as recounts in three local legislative races. Removal proceedings in the GOP-led Florida Senate could also cause a possible rift among Florida state Senate Democrats if the black caucus rallies around Snipes in the same way it did around her predecessor, who was also African-American, more than a decade ago.

“This is not just the most troubled elections office in the state, it’s the most troubled elections office in the nation,” said Sen. Marco Rubio, a Republican, who contends that Snipes needs to be removed from office once the recounts that began Sunday in the races for governor and U.S. Senate are over.

“She has shown she’s incapable of conducting a large and important election in a way that inspires public confidence and trust,” Rubio said. “She’s been found to have destroyed ballots, in violation of the law. Opened absentee ballots early, in violation of the law. Misprinted ballots that have gone out.”

If Snipes is suspended by the governor, incoming Florida state Senate President Bill Galvano said it’s time to have his chamber investigate and prepare to strike the final blow by removing her from office — just as the chamber did to her predecessor, Miriam Oliphant , for mismanaging the 2002 Democratic gubernatorial primary.

“What she’s demonstrated over the years is a series of mistakes that rise above the level of negligence and into incompetence,” Galvano said. “We can’t continue to keep ignoring this and every option should be on the table.”

Under Florida's constitution, "incompetence" is a specific cause that a governor can invoke in suspending a constitutional officer such as Snipes.

Democrats say Snipes has privately confided that she plans to quit, but it’s unclear when. “I hope it’s soon,” said one state Senate Democrat who declined to be named. “Otherwise, she’s a goner.” Heading into the election, Democratic campaigns fretted about what her mismanagement would do in the second-largest Democratic county in the state.

Though FDLE has found no evidence of a crime, Scott’s Senate campaign on Sunday filed an extraordinary civil court motion that asked the state police agency or Broward County’s sheriff to “impound and secure all voting machines, tallying devices, and ballots" as if the elections office were a crime scene. He filed a similar lawsuit against Bucher, who has had fewer problems than Snipes over the years, but who said Saturday that it would be “impossible” to finish the recount on time.

The lawsuit against Snipes reads like an indictment, detailing numerous instances of Snipes ignoring the law and busting statutory deadlines.

“In 2016, the Supervisor of Election’s office: (i) mailed an unknown number of absentee ballots that omitted a proposed state constitutional amendment; (ii) posted early voting numbers online thirty minutes before the polls closed in primary elections; and (iii) opened ballots in private which prevented citizens and other groups of ensuring ballots were properly cast and counted,” the suit says.

“Likewise,” the suit continues, “in 2017, the Supervisor of Elections: (i) admitted that her office has allowed ineligible voters — including felons and non-citizens — to cast votes; and (ii) wrongfully authorized the destruction of ballots cast in the 2016 Democratic primary election for the 23rd Congressional District of Florida.”

Scott’s lawsuit also references another lawsuit his campaign successfully brought against Snipes last week after she failed to provide public information concerning the votes she had left to tally after Election Day — information that should readily be at her fingertips and that, under Florida’s Sunshine Laws, she should have disclosed.

Snipes was unwilling or unable to provide the data, and her office didn’t follow state law requiring regular vote tally updates every 45 minutes, Scott’s new lawsuit alleges. Then, in the dead of night, the office suddenly uploaded tens of thousands of new ballots in the Democratic-heavy county, causing Scott’s margins statewide to fall so far that it triggered a recount, with his margin in the race against Sen. Bill Nelson falling below a half percent. The margin in the race is now 0.15 percent, below the quarter-point threshold for a manual recount.

Broward County also failed to finish tallying all of its available votes by noon Saturday, the deadline for the first wave of unofficial results to be submitted to the state. It also failed to upload all the in-person early votes and available absentee ballot votes by 7 p.m. on the day before the election.

Provisional Ballot Boxes Discovered Inside AVIS Rental Car At Ft. Lauderdale Airport

https://www.zerohedge.com/news...t-lauderdale-airport

Marco Rubio has been on top of this mess, thank God. Many thanks to him.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Provisional Ballot Boxes Discovered Inside AVIS Rental Car At Ft. Lauderdale Airport

https://www.zerohedge.com/news...t-lauderdale-airport

Not one of those ballots should count. And every single person associated with elections in Palm Beach and Broward Counties should be arrested, prosecuted and jailed for life. They've now slipped beyond retarded at this point.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Provisional Ballot Boxes Discovered Inside AVIS Rental Car At Ft. Lauderdale Airport

https://www.zerohedge.com/news...t-lauderdale-airport

Not one of those ballots should count. And every single person associated with elections in Palm Beach and Broward Counties should be arrested, prosecuted and jailed for life. They've now slipped beyond retarded at this point.

Where the ballots republican? Could have been an attempt to get remove republican votes.

At this time there is no way of knowing the correct count of any of the ballots from these counties. The closest to fair would be to void all ballots.

current voting results for Broward are:

Gillum 481,677

DeSantis 221,873

100% in, updated 12:08 pm 10 Nov

https://www.cnn.com/election/2...lts/florida/governor

Nelson 471,334

Scott 211,119

Broward, Palm Beach, Orange, and Miami-Dade are the DEM FL strongholds

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Originally posted by sdy:
hoping this report is true

https://www.politico.com/state...cott-desantis-691675

It's ridiculous that it takes a long wordy piece like this to speculate what MIGHT happen to her. Up to and including she may be just allowed to quit her position and walk away. Or she just might get suspended! What a load of horse shit! Anybody with a ounce of common sense can see this woman is and has been manipulating elections!

She should have been jailed long ago. This is the real problem that has this country on the path of being just another shit hole is that people like this are allowed to just carry on. We lose a little more election integrity every time around. Once that is gone so are we.

Trump needs to drop a serious hammer on this shit and get a AG that will put some teeth into the law. I'm done reading op ed's that point out all the corruption and treachery openly done by these people and yet nothing, NOTHING is ever done about it!

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Not one of those ballots should count. And every single person associated with elections in Palm Beach and Broward Counties should be arrested, prosecuted and jailed for life. They've now slipped beyond retarded at this point.

Those ballots should not even be delivered to anybody involved in this election. They may be evidence of a criminal act and should go straight to the crime lab.

I'd start by checking for fingerprints and see if we find the same prints on multiple ballots, and then running them down to see who could have possibly been handling them.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Provisional Ballot Boxes Discovered Inside AVIS Rental Car At Ft. Lauderdale Airport

https://www.zerohedge.com/news...t-lauderdale-airport

Not one of those ballots should count. And every single person associated with elections in Palm Beach and Broward Counties should be arrested, prosecuted and jailed for life. They've now slipped beyond retarded at this point.

And herein lies the importance of knowing how many ballots are yet to be counted and why Snipes claims she doesn't know.

It's a numbers game and suspect the goal is to get the governor's race to a manual recount. Then the dems will know how many votes they need. It will be amazing to see the changes in all of blue counties. These are where the most votes are and slight percentage changes will make the difference.

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
A questions to those who have voted on Florida via machine, especially in Broward County.

Don't the machines being used alert the voter if a vote was not detected for any candidate or question? Here in Illinois they do, let you review what was detected, and allow you the option of correct or continue. Also you get to review the entire ballot you voted on to make sure it looks correct to you before you finalize your vote for official recording.

I ask because this was reported.

Polling blog FiveThirtyEight questioned whether the position of the Senate race on the Broward County ballot — in the bottom left-hand corner of Page 1 — meant some voters skipped over the race. In Broward, some 26,060 fewer people casts votes for the Senate race compared to the governor’s race — a 3.7 percent difference.

All other counties had less than 0.8 percent difference in votes cast for the two races.

“People can and do make mistakes based on design,” Whitney Quesenbery, a ballot expert with the Center for Civic Design told the Sun Sentinel.

Nelson’s lawyer, Marc Elias, though, said he believes the machine counters may be to blame.

“I am pretty confident what you are going to see are markings that were not picked up by the machines or a calibration issue that was not registering that part of the ballot,” he said.

I'm in Palm Beach, the Ballot here is long, 2 pages front and back and the paper is about 8.5 X 24 inches.


We have elections on the ballot, about 8-10 of them, then judges to retain or toss another 5-8 of them if I can remember, then 13 constitutional amendments that are a solid paragraph each.


Many people don't do the whole ballot. When you put it in the machine, it pings if it is not fully filled out. The ballot is then rejected for counting. The voter is then told it isn't fully filled out and do they want to turn it in anyway. If they say yes, the person then puts the ballot back in the counter, alters a supervisor who comes over and puts a code in the machine to accept it partially filled out.


my problem, is the early voting

plenty of people only voted for Gillum and not Nelson and mailed it in.

The supervior then had sole control over them until the counting began.

Very easy to fill in the senate seat for nelson, where the ballot hasn't been seen or tallied by anyone.

Snipes admitted that she had gone through early votes and damaged ballots determined voter intent and filled out a new ballot for that person. SHe did this behind closed doors on an undetermined number of ballots and refused supervision which was demanded by both party reps.

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Originally posted by Timdogg6:

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
A questions to those who have voted on Florida via machine, especially in Broward County.

Don't the machines being used alert the voter if a vote was not detected for any candidate or question? Here in Illinois they do, let you review what was detected, and allow you the option of correct or continue. Also you get to review the entire ballot you voted on to make sure it looks correct to you before you finalize your vote for official recording.

I ask because this was reported.

Polling blog FiveThirtyEight questioned whether the position of the Senate race on the Broward County ballot — in the bottom left-hand corner of Page 1 — meant some voters skipped over the race. In Broward, some 26,060 fewer people casts votes for the Senate race compared to the governor’s race — a 3.7 percent difference.

All other counties had less than 0.8 percent difference in votes cast for the two races.

“People can and do make mistakes based on design,” Whitney Quesenbery, a ballot expert with the Center for Civic Design told the Sun Sentinel.

Nelson’s lawyer, Marc Elias, though, said he believes the machine counters may be to blame.

“I am pretty confident what you are going to see are markings that were not picked up by the machines or a calibration issue that was not registering that part of the ballot,” he said.

I'm in Palm Beach, the Ballot here is long, 2 pages front and back and the paper is about 8.5 X 24 inches.


We have elections on the ballot, about 8-10 of them, then judges to retain or toss another 5-8 of them if I can remember, then 13 constitutional amendments that are a solid paragraph each.


Many people don't do the whole ballot. When you put it in the machine, it pings if it is not fully filled out. The ballot is then rejected for counting. The voter is then told it isn't fully filled out and do they want to turn it in anyway. If they say yes, the person then puts the ballot back in the counter, alters a supervisor who comes over and puts a code in the machine to accept it partially filled out.


my problem, is the early voting

plenty of people only voted for Gillum and not Nelson and mailed it in.

The supervior then had sole control over them until the counting began.

Very easy to fill in the senate seat for nelson, where the ballot hasn't been seen or tallied by anyone.

Snipes admitted that she had gone through early votes and damaged ballots determined voter intent and filled out a new ballot for that person. SHe did this behind closed doors on an undetermined number of ballots and refused supervision which was demanded by both party reps.

Thanks so much for the info, I really appreciate it. I share your concern over the early ballots being very ripe for corruption.