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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by mikeyspizza:
Looks like the gray car was on the wrong side of the road coming around the curve.

On the wrong side of the road at the moment of crash, but that was evidently because the driver swerved to try to avoid the car that pulled in front of him. Unfortunately, he’d evidently never been told, “Never swerve into the opposite lane.”

I wonder if the gray car was exceeding the speed limit. I always thought it was a good law that Missouri had (has?) stating that a speeding vehicle loses its right of way. I.e., if someone pulls out in front of a speeding vehicle, it’s the speeder that’s at fault.

Unless he comes out and admits it it's unlikely that it will be proven that he's speeding. Unless the insurance company decides to send out an accident reconstruction team. Which they won't for a minor accident like this.

Yes the gray car swerved in the wrong direction however he did have the right of way and he attempted to avoid the accident, even though he chose poorly.

The black car's insurance company may be able to argue some negligence minor amount. Maybe 10% if they're lucky.

The kid may have made a poor avoidance move but the driver of the black car is completely at fault for that

The grey car's instinct was to move away from the black car. Black car on right, steer left. It wasn't as though he had a spotter like in NASCAR telling him to steer right. If he'd have braked and steered right he'd likely have missed the black car but gone off roading, or T boned the black car if it stopped. All perfect 20/20 hindsight.

Did the LEO's know you had video?

People have very bad luck when you record them with your dash cam.

This is probably the 3rd or 4th dash cam video you've posted (that I can remember).

I'd say he moved left thinking the black car "finally" saw him and would stop, not speed up and try to cross the road in front of him. I don't think the gray car was speeding.

Heck, I've got so much video of stupid people doing stupid shit, I don't even bother anymore.

Saw this couple of idiots passing in the emergency lane plowed into a disabled box truck last month.




Link to original video: https://youtu.be/B76E2gFk-i4

Mars, what kind of camera are you using. The video quality is great.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
Southern Bell

Slight thread drift, That is the company that I retired from!!

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
No Ladas here...

Well you know what the Russkies say....

... sooner or lada... it's your turn in the barrel.

My experience is that, more often than not, people veer the "wrong" way. I think it's the natural desire to go "away" from the other vehicle, but it always puts them in a worse spot. I remember a fatality where a car crossed the median and a truck driver on the other side went right to try to miss her, but ended up hitting her square right on the lane divider line. Both vehicles ended up in the ditch, the car burned, and the driver died. Had the truck driver gone left there wouldn't have been a crash, had he gone straight, he probably would have barely struck the car. He probably had all of about a second to OODA.

And there was a discussion about speed in this video. Speed of the car could be easily calculated using reference points on the video, taking a single measurement of those points, figuring out the frame rate, and doing time/distance. No reconstruction needed.

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Originally posted by cooger:
Mars, what kind of camera are you using. The video quality is great.

Garmin DriveAssist 50

The black car seems to head to its left a bit as it pulls out. I'm thinking the driver of the black car was planning to turn left on the road SC was on, was looking to the right at SC, focused on getting out ahead of SC and didn't see the gray car.

They gray car doesn't start out on the wrong side of the road. It passes two on coming vehicles in the curve just fine. I don't believe the kid swerved to his left. He was already turning through a left hand curve and when he slammed on the brakes, the back end swung around and the car heads to the inside of the turn. It would be interesting the see the gray car's skid marks.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
No Ladas here...

Bailey Waters Rd. & 136?

Bingo.

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Originally posted by charlie12:
Did the LEO's know you had video?

I gave a statement and they watched the video.
All of the Deputies know me here.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
The black car seems to head to its left a bit as it pulls out. I'm thinking the driver of the black car was planning to turn left on the road SC was on, was looking to the right at SC, focused on getting out ahead of SC and didn't see the gray car.

They gray car doesn't start out on the wrong side of the road. It passes two on coming vehicles in the curve just fine. I don't believe the kid swerved to his left. He was already turning through a left hand curve and when he slammed on the brakes, the back end swung around and the car heads to the inside of the turn. It would be interesting the see the gray car's skid marks.

I thought the grey car locked his brakes up and slid, and since he was already turning his back end came around. Had to watch it a couple of times to see it though.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
All of the Deputies know me here.

That's either a really good thing, or a really bad thing...

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
All of the Deputies know me here.

That's either a really good thing, or a really bad thing...

Both...

That silver car blends in with the road very well
Making it difficult to see at a distance

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I thought the grey car locked his brakes up and slid, and since he was already turning his back end came around. Had to watch it a couple of times to see it though.

Yep. He locks 'em up, ass end pops out, he tries to correct and heads right for the black car.