https://www.breitbart.com/econ...told-wait-in-mexico/

The White House will reduce the catch-and-release of economic migrants by returning them to Mexico until their asylum pleas are decided by U.S. judges

Central Americans who arrive at U.S. border crossings seeking asylum in the United States will have to wait in Mexico while their claims are processed under sweeping new measures the Trump administration is preparing to implement, according to internal planning documents and three Department of Homeland Security officials familiar with the initiative.

According to DHS memos obtained by The Washington Post on Wednesday, Central American asylum seekers who cannot establish a “reasonable fear” of persecution in Mexico will not be allowed to enter the United States and would be turned around at the border.

The plan, called “Remain in Mexico,” amounts to a major break with current screening procedures, which generally allow those who establish a fear of return to their home countries to avoid immediate deportation and remain in the United States until they can get a hearing with an immigration judge

Mexican officials have little incentive to cooperate, in part, because cartel-affiliated coyotes do not get paid if the migrants cannot get catch-and-release into the U.S. job market . So the cartels would likely protect their labor-trafficking business by pressuring local Mexican officials to prevent the U.S. government from returning asylum-seeking or illegal migrants.

President Donald Trump said on Thursday that he may close the U.S.-Mexico border if the rush of illegal migrants pushes border management out of control.

“If we find that it’s uncontrollable, Josh, if we find that it’s — it gets to a level where we are going to lose control or where people are going to start getting hurt, we will close entry into the country for a period of time until we can get it under control,” Trump told a gaggle of reporters in Palm Beach, Florida, according to a transcript prepared by Grabien.com.

“If you don’t have borders, you don’t have a country,” he said. “Democrats want open borders.”

Trump’s statement comes two days after a San Francisco judge temporarily shut down his November 9 border reforms at the request of a group of ACLU lawyers. The reform denies illegal migrants the right to ask for a full asylum and the right to live in the United States.

Trump’s threat to close the border also comes amid reports that White House officials may pressure Mexico to accept the temporary return of asylum-seeking migrants pending the courtroom resolution of their pleas for asylum in the United States.

Currently, some Mexican border officials are helping U.S. border officials limit the daily number of caravan migrants who are allowed to ask for asylum at the official ports of entry. That cooperation may be helping border officials reduce the flood of migrants that forces the catch-and-release policies. The catch-and-release policies allow migrants to get jobs from U.S. employers and to repay their debts to the cartels’ migrant-smuggling

Trump continued:

The whole border. I mean, the whole border. And Mexico will not be able to sell their cars into the United States where they make so many cars at great benefit to them — not a great benefit to us, by the way. But at least now we have a good new trade deal with Mexico and with Canada. But we will close the border. And that means that Mexico is not going to be able to sell their cars into the United States until it’s open.

But we’re going to either have a border or we’re not. And when they lose control of the border on the Mexico side, we just close the border.

But business groups would strongly resist any shutdown of all or parts of the border. Some industries and companies would be forced to reduce operations within a few days if their cross-border supply of parts, food, or migrant workers are interrupted.

Trump also suggested that prior presidents opposed border controls and that many Democrats now oppose border controls because they gain politically from opposition to it:

Some of the [prior U.S.] presidents, I guess they didn’t care or they wanted open borders. I don’t think they wanted open borders– because most of them, if you go back to 2006, they all approved essentially a wall, a very powerful fence, which is pretty much the same thing. But in 2006, if you look, [former President Barack] Obama, you look at Hillary Clinton, you look at [Sen. Chuck] Schumer, all of the people that are standing up protesting, they think it’s good for them politically. See, I think it’s bad for them politically. I think the fact that they’re weak on the border is very, very bad for them politically. But you know, I have only been a politician for three years, so maybe they know better than me.

Officials expect to appeal the judge’s order to the U.S. Supreme Court.


https://www.breitbart.com/bord...se-us-mexico-border/

^^^ Goddamn straight. FOX is running the story too now.


https://www.foxnews.com/politi...comes-uncontrollable

Where is General Pershing and 2nd Lt. Patton when you need them.....

Put monkey grease on their hands and feet and if they can get over in one try, let em in

Making sure the invaders know that-
1) They get no financial assistance of any kind entering the country illegally and
2) They are unable to obtain employment by entering illegally

This will be incentive to stay out for a lot of them.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
Making sure the invaders know that-
1) They get no financial assistance of any kind entering the country illegally and
2) They are unable to obtain employment by entering illegally
This will be incentive to stay out for a lot of them.

The 1985 Immigration Reform did all the things being demanded now. The border was strengthen, amnesty was granted, seasonal workers approved, and employers required to verify immigration status.

Almost immediately the act was gutted. Stronger border construction wasn’t funded. Amnesty only allied to a few illegals. Some never heard or it, or were too afraid, ordidnt qualify. The verification for employment failed as almost any paperwork was accepted. Worse, big employers subcontracted the work. It was a way to employee illegals with plausible deniability.

Keep that in mind when there’s talk of “fixing immigration.”

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Originally posted by Icabod:

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
Making sure the invaders know that-
1) They get no financial assistance of any kind entering the country illegally and
2) They are unable to obtain employment by entering illegally
This will be incentive to stay out for a lot of them.

The 1985 Immigration Reform did all the things being demanded now. The border was strengthen, amnesty was granted, seasonal workers approved, and employers required to verify immigration status.

Almost immediately the act was gutted. Stronger border construction wasn’t funded. Amnesty only allied to a few illegals. Some never heard or it, or were too afraid, ordidnt qualify. The verification for employment failed as almost any paperwork was accepted. Worse, big employers subcontracted the work. It was a way to employee illegals with plausible deniability.

Keep that in mind when there’s talk of “fixing immigration.”

Anything can be fixed if done properly. No free education, medical care, food programs, etc. Period. Make it plainly and clearly understood. The undocumented ones that try, or are identified in normal day to day activity get deported, post haste.

Fine heavily any business that knowingly employs illegals- it would be easy to figure out who to hire if they have no valid, acceptable form of ID and proof of paying state and federal taxes. Make it the law of the land now, and reverse all of the loopholing and outright ignoring of the processes put in place originally.

It would take a lot of work to get it done, but some things are worth doing.

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“We can’t have all these people here,” Mujica told The Associated Press.

So--why did you encourage them to come here?

flashguy

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more visible

If you really want to boost the Mexicans' aggravation and steel the Americans' resolve...you're asking for a flight south in handcuffs.

Anybody hearing about just how far left the caravan organizers are?

To hear the news report it, the migrant caravan is just a spontaneous uprising of women and children fleeing Honduran gangs, and the issue is one of Mexico and the U.S. diplomacy finding a way to accommodate them.

What's lost is just how hard, hard, left the organizers of what has become this humanitarian disaster are. Even the liberation-theology types are getting concerned. The caravan agenda is a hard-left, pro-Chavista one, and drawing the fringiest leftwing groups. To its organizers on the ground, the caravan is not a humanitarian mission, it's a by-any-means-necessary political mission. A look at the caravan organizers and their allies shows that their real aim is to confront the U.S. The moms-and-kids are window dressing.

Take a look at what Puebla Sin Fronteras has on its website, in announcing a border protest today:



The manifesto can be read here. It begins:

We, the San Diego Migrant and Refugee Solidarity Coalition, composed of migrant rights and social justice groups, invite individuals and organizations across the country and globe to organize demonstrations in their cities, and if they have the capacity, to join our rally and march to the border.

We call for an action on November 25th to commemorate the anniversary of the 2017 Honduran election stolen by the US government-backed, right-wing military dictator Juan Orlando Hernández (JOH). We are demonstrating on this day to acknowledge and draw attention to the current social and political crises driving the exodus from Central America. We understand that these crises—drug wars, military coups, destruction of indigenous lands for the benefit of corporations, and environmental catastrophe in the region—are all symptoms of US foreign policy, corporate profiteering and war-making.

Moreover, we see that the Trump administration is creating a warlike atmosphere against the caravan. It should be clear that they are not just acting with the support of a cabinet of white supremacists and a majority GOP in the Senate but are also emboldened by the last few decades of bipartisan militarization of the border, mass raids, expansion of for-profit detention centers, and mass deportations—with more than 2.5 million migrants under Obama and Trump alone. Further, these policies are a continuation of a long history of anti-Indigenous colonial violence and genocide.

Had enough? It just gets worse, with its list of demands, including this beauty:

3. The US government must publicly acknowledge a) its role in Honduran Coup in 2009, b) that the Honduran government is a US supported dictatorship, and c) recognize the political and social crises throughout Central America as caused by US foreign policy.

This is nutbag, far-left stuff. That's not about moms and kids in the slightest, that's about the political demands of Hugo Chavez's Venezuela. And as you read further in the "demands," you can read that they also want American officials prosecuted. This is the caravan agenda as it throws hapless women and children in front of the cameras, leaves Tijuana a humanitarian disaster, and leaves Mexico with the prospect of a completely shut down border. As the leftists say: By any means necessary, and those migrants are their easily expendable pawns. Now is the scenario clearer?

And are there any questions as to why the caravan migrants are overwhelmingly military-aged unemployed young men, as this Univision screengrab from Mexicali unintentionally shows? (Look at how unconfortable the Univision reporter looks).

Meanwhile, pictures from Univision (Spanish only) do expose who the caravan organizers are. The camera shots show that the organizers themselves are far-left activists, quite possibly what remain of the gang-like Chavista shock troops of Latin America who destroyed Venezuela. Smug, smarmy and robotic, they speak a disciplined Marxist party line devoid of individualism. They're obviously experienced community organizers, (which gives you an approximate sense of how Chavez destroyed Venezuela). These are the kinds of people I met in Caracas 13 years ago. It was guys like these who produced Venezuela. And given the caravan thugcraft already seen, look at them how at odds the whole project is with these organizers' peaceable and humanitarian claims.

Source: Univision, via YouTube

Source: Univision, via YouTube

Any question as to why they produced these scenes here?

Source: Univision, via YouTube

Even the liberation-theology priests, the famous rifles-and-cassocks crowd of Latin American Idiot fame, are warning they are a problem. Univision has a report (Spanish only) here, but here is a translation from Google of its YouTube caption below.

Father Solalinde assures that Pueblo Sin Fronteras uses the migrant caravan to its own advantage "Some are extremists", in this way the priest referred to the activists who accompany the mass exodus and assured that they will cause problems as they are already doing internationally between the US and Mexico. The activists refuted the statements, said it is a lie and said that all they do is provide accompaniment.

This is amazing stuff, completely ignored by the mainstream media and available only in the Spanish-language press. And these people are at the heart of the caravan roiling both the U.S. and Mexico, creating a humanitarian disaster in the true Marxist tradition. My question: Why are they completely off the U.S. press radar?

Update: Welcome, Instapundit readers! Sarah Hoyt also has an important link to the origins of the migrant caravan here.

Read more: https://www.americanthinker.co...e.html#ixzz5XyQjMUav

Agitprop, shortened from Agitacionnopropagandistskij otdel "Agitation-Propaganda Section (of the Central Committee, or a local committee, of the Communist Party)"; political strategy in which the techniques of agitation and propaganda are used to influence and mobilize public opinion. Although the strategy is common, both the label and an obsession with it were specific to the Marxism practiced by communists in the Soviet Union. Or by CNN / MSM.




And yes both pix below were taken min apart from each other,both pix have..
-Moms T-Shirt
-kid fingers caught in ball
-moms purse


https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...fakenews-production/

Piers Morgan: MSM blasts Trump for defending US border. But it was fine when Zippy did the same:

“…Obama had indeed done the same thing, albeit with his border agents using pepper spray not teargas, at the same exact place.

In fact, by a very weird coincidence, it was on the exact same month and day…”

https://dailym.ai/2DJRukd

President Trump offered Mexico some advice on deporting migrants massed in Tijuana and threatening to storm the U.S., telling the neighboring nation in a tweet to send them “back to their countries” by plane or by bus – or face a permanent closure of the border.

Trump’s tweet followed a vow from Mexico to deport migrants who tried to illegally enter the U.S. The Trump administration has said asylum claims from members of a series of caravans originating in Central America must be processed outside the U.S., and that all those entering illegally will be denied. A federal judge has at least temporarily ruled against the policy, but the administration has taken steps to harden the border.


“Mexico should move the flag waving Migrants, many of whom are stone cold criminals, back to their countries,” Trump tweeted early Monday morning. “Do it by plane, do it by bus, do it anyway you want, but they are NOT coming into the U.S.A. We will close the Border permanently if need be. Congress, fund the WALL!”


https://www.foxnews.com/politi...r-permanently-closed

quote:

Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
Piers Morgan: MSM blasts Trump for defending US border. But it was fine when Zippy did the same:

“…Obama had indeed done the same thing, albeit with his border agents using pepper spray not teargas, at the same exact place.

In fact, by a very weird coincidence, it was on the exact same month and day…”

https://dailym.ai/2DJRukd

Anyone else remember the media outrage five years ago? Me either.

https://www.sandiegouniontribu...2013nov25-story.html

Border Patrol: crowd confronts agents

by Susan Shroder and Elizabeth AguileraContact Reporters

November 25, 2013

San Ysidro

A group of about 100 people trying to illegally cross the border Sunday near the San Ysidro port of entry threw rocks and bottles at U.S. Border Patrol agents, who responded by using pepper spray and other means to force the crowd back into Mexico, federal officials said.

The incident has raised concerns among advocates on both sides of the immigration debate, as well as Border Patrol representatives.

Immigrant-rights groups in San Diego said they didn’t know beforehand about the plan to rush the border, and they worry that desperation is driving homeless deportees to make a bold bid to rejoin their families in the United States.

Border-security groups see this situation as evidence that the border remains unsecured, something they said should be fixed before Congress considers proposals to grant legal status to unauthorized immigrants.

And Border Patrol representatives worry that Sunday’s confrontation could be a political protest, which they said agents want to avoid — especially when it involves the potential for loss of life.

The incident occurred about a quarter-mile west of the San Ysidro border crossing in the Tijuana River channel. No one was seriously injured, no shots were fired and no arrests were made, said Mary Beth Caston, a Border Patrol spokeswoman.

The group first approached a lone agent stationed about 1/8 of a mile north of the border. They ignored his commands to stop, so he fired pepper balls to try to stop them and protect himself, Caston said.

As the crowd kept advancing and throwing rocks and bottles, she said, more agents came to the scene and used other “intermediate use-of-force devices” to push back the group. The agents also contacted Mexican law enforcement.

Tijuana’s top police officer, Public Safety Secretary J. Alberto Capella, said “There is no information that we can provide.” He referred questions to the U.S. Border Patrol.

The spokesman for Tijuana police, Rafael Morales, said the agency’s officers did not intervene and had no knowledge of the incident.

Caston said several agents were struck in the arms and legs with rocks, and that one agent was hit in the head with a filled water bottle.

“While attacks on Border Patrol agents are not uncommon, the agents showed great restraint when faced with the dangers of this unusually large group, and fortunately no one was serious injured,” said Paul Beeson, San Diego sector chief for the Border Patrol.

The agency did not specify the time of Sunday’s incident.

This type of rush on the border has not been seen since the late 1980s and early ’90s, when groups of border-crossers would run into the U.S. while agents tried to apprehend as many people as possible. The practice mostly disappeared after Operation Gatekeeper began in 1994 and brought with it tall fences, walls and more agents.

“If it was a protest, it was a really stupid way to go about it because there were individuals who started throwing rocks and other projectiles,” said Shawn Moran, vice president of the National Border Patrol Council. “It’s not the right venue; agents do not enact legislation, don’t write laws or write polices. If protesters want to address Congress and try to change laws, so be it.”

Local border-security advocates were on edge Monday about the incident.

“Obviously, these attempted mass crossing and attacks on our border agents show that our border is not secure,” said Jeff Schwilk of the San Diegans for Secure Borders Coalition. “All the talk in Washington this year of another amnesty for 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants is just encouraging more desperate foreigners to enter our country illegally.”

Immigrant-rights advocates said they doubt the mass rush was organized.

Christian Ramirez, human rights director for the Southern Border Communities Coalition, said he does not believe the move could have been a strategic protest. He views it as an act of desperation on the part of deportees who have been pushed to live around the river in makeshift camps or those who are set up in other migrant camps in the city.

These are deportees who face the most challenging situations, he and other immigrant advocates said. Many do not speak Spanish, have no roots in Mexico, have criminal records or tattoos and cannot find jobs or get registered in Mexico. Most are homeless and live in makeshift camps that have sprouted up in and around the river.

The incident raises questions again about how Border Patrol responds in such situations and if it adheres to its use-of-force policies. The agency has not released its policies despite numerous requests to do so after several high profile deaths.

“Because of the growing instances in which Border Patrol has been involved in this sort of use-of-force that it’s important for the agency to be transparent,” Ramirez said. “To report to the public exactly what went on and to report what weapons were used.”

Advocates acknowledge the restraint agents used under the circumstances but they still have concerns given the agency’s recent decision to continue to use deadly force against rock throwers. This despite an outside review that recommended the agency rethink that approach.

On Monday, a group of congressional members sent a letter to the agency asking for more clarity regarding use-of-force policies.


Staff writer Sandra Dibble contributed to this story.

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November 27, 2018
Winning: Caravan migrants packing up and going home
By Monica Showalter

You often see it at the bottom of news stories or in less prominently placed news stories, from the more serious local news outlets near the scene of the Tijuana caravan encampment:

Migrants are taking a look at the lay of the land and deciding to pack up and go home.

According to the San Diego Union-Tribune:

Outside the Benito Juárez migrant shelter in Tijuana, dozens stood in line Monday for a chance to return to their home country, a day after chaotic clashes at the border dimmed their hopes of entering the United States.Members of the Central American migrant caravan slumped in a line late afternoon to ask for return passage, after traveling for more than a month and trekking thousands of miles by foot, by bus and crammed into the beds of trucks for days.

Some were tired and reluctantly surrendered their dream of going to the United States, rather than face months more in the overcrowded and unsustainable conditions in Tijuana shelters.

Others said they had economic duties to fulfill in Central America. And a small handful said they did not want to face any legal consequences for the violent confrontations with border agents and Mexican federal police on Sunday.

The Associated Press reported similarly:

There was a steady line outside a shelter at a tent housing the International Organization for Migration, where officials were offering assistance for those who wanted to return to their home countries.

As did CBS8 of San Diego:

SAN DIEGO (NEWS 8) - Giving up and going home. More than a thousand Central American migrants are doing just that.

Frustrated and saying there is no chance of a better life in the United States, they boarded vans that will take them back where they came from.

There seems to be a feeling of desperation even hopelessness in Tijuana among many migrants who made the long journey from Central America to seek asylum in the US. But as the president has repeatedly said, they have to do it the legal way.

That is proving to be harder than many migrants thought. Vans were seen leaving from Tijuana to El Salvador yesterday. So about 100 people are already being deported.

Obviously, the great grand bid to storm the gringo border and jump in and avail oneself of all the welfare benefits the U.S. has to offer, leftwing lawyers in tow, has failed, and migrants, as it turns out, with no fear of returning to their home countries after all, (contrary to their organizers' asylum arguments), are going home. Some of them even have the bus fare. Turns out the free stuff wasn't free. Their quest to enter the U.S. on Tijuana's hospitality is not popular. And the leftist organizers, promising these migrants instant entry as well as a Chavista-sized banquet of free stuff, courtesy of the gringos, stand exposed as frauds.

So now the migrant caravan is breaking up, and those who seek to enter the U.S. are going to be forced to do it legally. And President Trump, as well as Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, have said they are welcome to do that, so it's not as if a door is shut.

But what we have here - and the media is never going to admit it - is something called winning, a victory for rule of law. Anyone who wants to enter the U.S. -- worldwide -- has gotten the message from this caravan charge and its big media buildup -- that the U.S. is holding firm in defending the integrity of its borders. Any entry to the U.S. must be legal entry. The scruffy barbed border fencing, the double walls, the troops at hand, cobbled together as they were, along with the resolution and will of our leaders, really did do the job. Anyone wanting to bust a border is better off heading to western Europe. Trump -- and the voters who sent him to Washington to get this job done - stands victorious. Surprise, surprise, Congress has now gotten serious about border wall funding.


Read more: https://www.americanthinker.co...e.html#ixzz5Y5nP11iq

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Their quest to enter the U.S. on Tijuana's hospitality is not popular.

Indeed.

http://www.reuters.com/video/2...-c?videoId=485619364

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:

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Their quest to enter the U.S. on Tijuana's hospitality is not popular.

http://www.reuters.com/video/2...-c?videoId=485619364

That link doesn't work.

Just corrected it - it worked for me.