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I understand that we are the greatest country on earth, but I don’t understand how it is somehow a responsibility to accept illegal invaders from countries that clearly are in complete disarray.

A “caravan” is nothing less than an invading mob that feels they have some kind of right to enter as they please. I also have no faith that Mexico will stop anyone from crossing their country, passports or not.




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Mexican government sends federal police to intercept caravan of U.S.-bound migrants

David Agren, Special to USA Today Published 5:41 p.m. ET Oct. 17, 2018 | Updated 7:30 a.m. ET Oct. 18, 2018

MEXICO CITY — The government of Mexico dispatched two 727 Boeing planes filled with federal police officers to its southern border with Guatemala on Wednesday to intercept a caravan of Central American migrants who are trying to reach the U.S. border.

The Interior and Foreign Relations ministries said in a joint statement that any migrant in the caravan without proper immigration papers would be arrested and “returned to their country of origin.” Those with proper documents or wishing to apply for asylum would be allowed to enter Mexico.

Full article: Mexican government sends federal police to intercept caravan of U.S.-bound migrants




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I also have no faith that Mexico will stop anyone from crossing their country, passports or not.
The Krimson Kenyan wouldn't stop them, not even if he knew how to do so- which he does not because he's incompetent- but President Trump knows how to apply pressure to foreign governments to whom we give money.

You can see evidence of this in the news item posted by ensigmatic.


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The Krimson Kenyan wouldn't stop them, not even if he knew how to do so- which he does not because he's incompetent- but President Trump knows how to apply pressure to foreign governments to whom we give money.

You can see evidence of this in the news item posted by ensigmatic.
Are we sure he wanted to stop them? I don't ever recall thinking he did.


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I appreciate their plight, more over I understand they're human beings.

But they've got nothing worth bringing here.




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Rush said yesterday, who is feeding the estimated 4000 people, giving them water, sanitation, etc. someone is having to foot the bill, I’m thinking Soros, and the Dems.


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I also have no faith that Mexico will stop anyone from crossing their country, passports or not.
The Krimson Kenyan wouldn't stop them, not even if he knew how to do so- which he does not because he's incompetent- but President Trump knows how to apply pressure to foreign governments to whom we give money.

You can see evidence of this in the news item posted by ensigmatic.

I sincerely hope the Mexican government takes this as seriously as we do, but given their lack of a concerted effort of stopping the illegal coyote led bands (and the drug trade) from doing the same for decades, I have little faith in them. Hopefully, the amount of coverage this is garnering will keep enough of a spotlight on it to rule out a token effort.




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Correct, it is literally an INVASION.
We ought to have some of us Responsible Americans go down and help turn them back.

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The U.S. military will "CLOSE OUR SOUTHERN BORDER" with Mexico if officials there don't soon stop the northward push of a massive migrant caravan, President Trump warned Thursday, amid reports the procession had swelled in size to about 4,000 people.

The US military seems to be stretched thin all over the world... while our own country is continuously invaded.
What is the PRIMARY purpose of the US military?
I would answer "To defend the shores and borders of the United States of America."


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President Trump has full constitutional power to stop the border invasion – even without Congress

Just as President Reagan is remembered for ending the Cold War, President Trump can be remembered as the one who ended the war on our sovereignty. Will he rise to the occasion?

Here’s the stone-cold truth about our border: We could construct a border wall as high as the stratosphere, and it won’t help much if we continue our self-destructing policies of allowing bogus asylees to come through our front door and legitimizing the opinions of sanctuary judges who “make denizens of aliens.”

President Trump publicly warned the governments of Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala that if they don’t take steps to stop the latest caravan of bogus asylum invaders, he will cut off aid to the countries. While this is a good first step, it won’t deter the invasion unless we stop admitting the invaders and implementing catch-and-release under orders from illegitimate court rulings, as we did with the previous caravan and countless tens of thousands of others coming in with less pomp. And that would hold true even with a border wall. They just come to our points of entry, surrender themselves, get released into our communities, and never show up to their hearings until and unless they wind up committing crimes.

Moreover, the caravan is already in Guatemala and headed for Mexico. Thus, the Honduran diplomacy is moot at this point. And this is much bigger than one caravan. We must first dissect what is actually happening at our border.

This is nothing short of an invasion

Earlier this week, KTAR news in Phoenix, Arizona, sat down with ICE’s Phoenix field director, Henry Lucero. What he revealed should disturb all of us:

Only two percent of family units released from custody are ever deported. And there are a lot of families. In fiscal year 2017, roughly 13,000 came through the Yuma Sector. This year’s final numbers will likely show double that number. Freeze-frame right there. This is the magnet. Until this policy stops, the border invasion will not cease.
85 percent of the recent families are from Guatemala, and they ask for asylum while surrendering themselves to border agents. They are not even attempting to smuggle themselves in between the points of entry. Thus, a wall will not help if we continue to allow this because they just come to the points of entry. As Lucero said, “On the news in Guatemala they are saying that you can get a work permit if you’re in a family, if you’re coming with your child, and that you’re going to be released.”
Border agents interviewed by KTAR said that resources designed to protect our national security are now being used to aid and treat illegal aliens in distress. This, in a nutshell, is why the gang and drug crisis spiked to unprecedented levels beginning with the Central American migration in 2014. Officials said that 95 percent of those caught in Arizona go to the East Coast, which explains why places like Long Island are the hardest hit from the gang and drug crises.

Thus, it all boils down to bogus asylum and catch-and-release. Either Trump ends those, or everything else is just talk. While Trump is right to ask Congress to step in, we’ve noted before that our statute is already clear that these people do not qualify as asylees and that the unaccompanied teenagers do not qualify as refugees.

With this background in mind, it’s easy to understand why Lindsey Grahmanesty’s idea of trading amnesty for a border wall is so counterintuitive. We only have this border invasion because of the magnet of amnesty, and the magnet of amnesty allows them to come to the entry points, demand asylum, sue for rights, and never get deported. A wall only helps a country that has a strong spirit but a weak frontier; it doesn’t help a weak political system that willingly commits national suicide.

Anyone who tells you that the president doesn’t have the authority to exclude anyone for any reason doesn’t deserve to live in a sovereign nation. Sovereignty trumps everything. There is nothing in our statutes that forces the president to admit anyone he feels is a problem. In fact, as we’ve noted before, he has inherent executive powers from Article II, as well as delegated authority from Congress under existing law, to stop taking in immigrants at the border or through visas for as much time as he deems necessary.

Here’s a quick review.

Inherent executive authority

While Congress controls immigration once immigrants are legally admitted to our country and can also exclude anyone from admission, the president shares concurrent jurisdiction on exclusions. He can’t deport anyone he wants to without an authorizing statue, but he can exclude anyone up front. As the Supreme Court said in a landmark 1950 case, “The exclusion of aliens is a fundamental act of sovereignty. The right to do so stems not alone from legislative power but is inherent in the executive power to control the foreign affairs of the nation.” This is why for the first 100 years of our country, immigration was entirely controlled by diplomatic correspondence through the State Department. The president was clearly using this authority when communicating with the leader of the country of origin of this caravan.

Trump can simply shut the door and demand that any legitimate asylum claims be processed through our 10 or so consulates in Mexico.

Finally, the president needs to threaten not just Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador, but Mexico with diplomatic sanctions. As Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies, told me in email, “The president should be leaning on Mexico and the sending nations that their facilitation of this problem is immoral, shameful, and will adversely affect our bilateral relationship.”

“He should consider visa sanctions if they are not cooperative in arranging the swift return of those apprehended. He should suspend certain foreign aid until we gain their cooperation. There almost certainly are other forms of leverage that will get their attention.”

One such point of leverage would be NAFTA negotiations. The top issue should not be trade, but immigration. Mexico badly wants a renewal, and having it agree to process asylum claims in our consulates rather than sending them to our border would go a long way.

Along with threatening to cut off aid, he should fund a massive Spanish-language media campaign in these countries to make it clear they can never obtain legal status unless they apply through a consulate.

Delegated authority from Congress

INA 212(f) allows the president, whenever he finds that “the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States,” to “suspend” all forms of immigration “for such period as he shall deem necessary.” INA 215(a)(1) grants the president an almost equal level of authority to subject entry of all aliens entering or departing to “such reasonable rules, regulations, and orders, and subject to such limitations and exceptions as the President may prescribe.” If demanding that all immigrants enter legally or apply for asylum in a safe and controlled environment at a consulate rather than at a border controlled by some of the most dangerous people in the world is not a “reasonable rule,” I’m not sure what is.

In addition, given that this is not an ordinary case of immigration or a trickle of asylum seekers, but rather a mass influx, the attorney general can use 8 U.S.C. § 1103(a)(10) to deputize local law enforcement bodies at the border that wish to participate to engage in the police powers of federal immigration officers. This section of the law states that when there’s an “imminent mass influx of aliens arriving off the coast of the United States, or near a land border,” the attorney general may “authorize any State or local law enforcement officer” to perform such duties. This will help with the manpower and the national security component of the issue.

The bottom line is that we need to repel the invasion, not manage it. Why are border agents automatically handing over these people to ICE to be processed? Jessica Vaughan told me she is concerned this is depleting ICE’s resources to address interior enforcement when Customs and Border Protection should be leading at the border. “It’s time for CBP to step up and assume some more responsibility for addressing this crisis,” wrote Vaughan in an email. “So far, they have been just handing over the problem to ICE, USCIS, and the immigration courts, as if it’s not CBP’s problem. That has depleted and diverted the resources for those other critical agencies, which have other responsibilities in the interior. The president should direct CBP – the border protection agency — to assume responsibility for managing the swift processing of these cases, in cooperation with the other agencies of course.”

This is why Trump was elected. Period

This is Trump’s legacy at stake. This is his time in history. He can be the one to stop the border invasion. The minute he forces a national debate over whether we are a sovereign nation, he gains more leverage. The minute he threatens to veto the next budget bill unless it makes changes to sanctuary cities and asylum policies, the tables will be turned. And the minute he actually uses his inherent executive and delegated authority to shut this down temporarily without Congress, he has much more leverage to push long-term reforms as well as deterring Central Americans.

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The 'FREE SHIT ARMY' is on the move again.

We have to cut off the gravy train of $$/food/shelter these people expect ( demand! ) when they arrive.

We also need to physically intercept them, detain them, separate them from their kids, and ship them home if they try to cross the border.

It's going to take balls to do it, but for Christ's sake if not now -- then when!!


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We are not going to let these people in. Period. Thats all, folks. This is just media noise.
 
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Trump's got this. He understands what this is all about. The Soros led caravan is all about bringing back Trump separating babies from momma's just before the mid terms. There is a reason why Mexico is dumping 2 727's full of police at their southern border.

They know how Trump is going to react to them if they just kick open the door and let this mob march across their country.

Pompeo is going to Mexico tomorrow and with him I'm sure are some stern warnings from Trump are to be delivered.

This entire thing is complete horse shit. Have you seen the pictures? Don't look to me like any of these people have missed a meal in a long time. Many of them look like they are eating at McDonalds three times a day.

They are all wearing new and modern clothes, nice walking shoes etc. Don't look like any refugees I've ever seen.

Not to mention the two guys walking down long lines of women handing them cash to join the caravan. Complete farce to say these people are refugees. They are payed political pawns just like Antifa and the rest.


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Canada. We should pass out brochures to the caravan people explaining how nice the people of Canada are and what a great socialist paradise Canada is.
 
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My understanding is that our current laws indicate that if a "refugee" even gets one foot onto US soil we can't just force them back over the line--they have to go through a legal process involving a judge. Until that is changed, the ability to "turn them back" is pretty well stymied.

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Caravan Leader Arrested After Mexico & US Reach an Agreement

http://www.independentsentinel...-reach-an-agreement/

The Mexican government and the United States have reached an agreement to work together to stop the caravan of 4,000 foreigners. It’s already given rise to radical immigration attorneys demanding the migrants be given a free pass.
TROUBLEMAKER ARRESTED

Mexican federal police stood ready to block the mass exodus of Hondurans from entering Mexico.

Irineo Mujica, one of the very loud leaders of the group sponsored by Pueblo sin Fronteras, was arrested early this evening. The group ranted about his “violent” arrest but the fact is Mujica resisted.

THE RADICAL LEFTIST IMMIGRATION ATTORNEYS ARE SCREAMING ABOUT SO-CALLED HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS

Nicole Ramos, an immigration attorney with Al Otro Lado, said Mexico is committing human rights violations on behalf of the U.S. and that both countries are breaking international asylum law, which prohibits countries from sending people back to countries where they fear for their lives.

“It’s very confusing to me why the Mexican government would do the bidding and the dirty work of the United States government, given all the racist rhetoric that has come out of this administration,” she said. “Why the Mexican government would allow itself to be used in this fashion against its own people… it’s really a betrayal.”
THEY’RE ENTITLED TO INVADE

The attitude of the leaders is the migrants are entitled to invade the United States and the United States must take them.

“Mexican authorities should not adopt the same approach as trump treating people as a threat to security. These families deserve dignity and respect to ensure that no one is illegally returned to situations where he could run the risk of serious damage due to violence “, said Erika Guevara Roses, director for the Americas of amnesty international.”

Tomorrow, the migrants are holding a protest outside the consul general of Guatemala’s office. They are calling the protest, End the Repression Against Honduran Refugees.

They’re not refugees, they’re illegal immigrants and not letting them invade our borders is hardly repression.

This group — allegedly — isn’t run by Pueblo sin Fronteras but they are working with them. Several of the groups behind Pueblo sin Fronteras are funded by George Soros.


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Reports: Soros funding border caravan invasion

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With all the trouble Soros is causing with the refugees and his Open Borders etc. is there something we can do to get his ass out of the country. Maybe send him to England or Russia? Just get rid of the trouble maker!


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I lived in San Diego County in the 90's. I remember driving on the freeway down by the border and seeing those "Beware of People on the Roadway" signs everywhere.

The trend at the time was to have a large group rush the border checkpoint. Some would get in, others wouldn't. Border cops were overwhelmed.

Seems things have only gotten worse.


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With all the trouble Soros is causing with the refugees and his Open Borders etc. is there something we can do to get his ass out of the country. Maybe send him to England or Russia? Just get rid of the trouble maker!


They should have put him in the trunk of the Tesla they launched into space a while back. Meddling old fucker.


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News today is that Mexico will be working to stop the caravan.

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