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It appears that the tide may be shifting. Immigration is front and center now in Germany and Europe, as it should be. What a mess they have.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2...igration-stance.html
 
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At this point it is far to late for it to matter Germany is so screwed. Same with many other EU nations.


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At this point it is far to late for it to matter Germany is so screwed. Same with many other EU nations.


I don't agree. They can always send these "refugees" back from whence they came.

I think the tide is turned, with Italy's rejection of a shipload of "refugees."





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Why is too late? (Serious question)



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At this point it is far to late for it to matter Germany is so screwed. Same with many other EU nations.

Nonsense. It's just that the longer they continue to ignore the problem, the longer they continue to let it get worse, the uglier it'll be to fix it.




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it is fixable,,,
Stop feeding,housing .
They get hungry and leave.
Oh and change the gun laws,unlock guns and ammo that they impose on the citernsy .
We here in the south enjoy the laws that Germany needs.
Got lots of friends there and feel sorry for them and their shitery anti people government
 
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Unfortunately I don't think any European government would have the moral fortitude to send migrants back except for some of the eastern European ones.
I'm sure the last thing the Germans want to see is soldiers rounding up migrants for deportation. Kind of brings back some bad associations with the past.
Most of the "migrants" don't have papers and their "governments" would not co-operate with repatriation anyways. So I don't see a resolution coming any time soon.


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ha!

love it

about time



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Will the Teutonic Tac aka Banshee be by shortly to tell us all how wrong we are to be celebrating this collapse? Big Grin


 
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Will the Teutonic Tac aka Banshee be by shortly to tell us all how wrong we are to be celebrating this collapse? Big Grin

The Teutonic Tac -




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Unfortunately I don't think any European government would have the moral fortitude to send migrants back except for some of the eastern European ones.


^^^^^^^^^^^
I agree that most of them will not deport, or encourage self deportation, however they could do so. The question is whether the average EU Citizen will prevail over the administrative state elites.
Actually the same question is germane in the US. If Pelosi was in charge we would not deport MS-13 members and we would decriminalize felonies by Dreamers.
 
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No, no, no, no, no...
Or
Nine, nine, nine, nine....

Keep the immigration policy the same. Please, for the love of bratwurst, don't change it! And that goes for the rest of the EU!

Those fuckers got to go somewhere, and if they can't go there, where do you think they'll be headed to? The 3rd world shithole that they came from?


Please, keep your immigration policies unchanged!


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Will the Teutonic Tac aka Banshee be by shortly to tell us all how wrong we are to be celebrating this collapse? Big Grin


Since my service record is nowhere near as impressive as tacfoley's, I can't accept that honorific.

For background on the topic, as noted in the linked report the disagreement is between Merkel and Interior Minister Horst Seehofer, previously minister president (think governor) of the state of Bavaria, and still party head of the Bavarian CSU. This is the "sister party" to Merkel's CDU, which means it appears on the ballot instead of the latter in Bavaria; in the national parliament, they have however always caucused together. The CSU is generally a bit more conservative than the CDU, but its chief aim has always been to secure its own majority in Bavaria, where it has ruled since the state was reinstituted after WW II.

There are upcoming state elections in Bavaria this October, and the CSU is trying to shore up its right flank against the new anti-establishment AfD. At the same time, the opposition both on the left and right in national parliament has been trying to somehow tie Seehofer to a current scandal in the Federal Agency for Migration and Refugees (BAMF), where the former head of the Bremen field office illegally granted asylum to mostly Yazidi Kurds from Iraq in a four-digit number of cases over several years - either out of sympathy with the Yazidis, due to personal involvement with a lawyer representing them, or a mix. This is of course nonsense since it happened years ago, and has been investigated for some time before Seehofer even took his current office as the responsible minister three months ago, but everybody is trying to play political games ahead of elections in an important state.

As for the national CDU/CSU-SPD government breaking apart over it, it is possible, but not too likely. CDU and CSU members of the Bundestag had seperate sessions on the issue today, which is a first in their joint history. But arguably they had a greater rift when the CSU actually voted to leave the joint caucus over disagreements between then-heads Franz-Josef Strauß and Helmuth Kohl after the Conservatives lost the 1976 national election. There have been repeated suggestions ever since then about the CSU competing with the CDU on the national level, like during the 2015/16 quarreling over refugee policy between Merkel and Seehofer, when the latter tried to rally his troops against being suceeded as Bavarian minister president by his inner-party rival Markus Söder (which still happened). It has never been followed through with though, for the same reason the 1976 split was rescinded before it was even implemented: on the flip side, the CDU would also compete in Bavaria, and the CSU is projected to lose a fifth of their current voters to them if that would happen IIRC. That would cost them their holy cow of absolute majority in the state, so probably never gonna happen.
 
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Why can't refugees go home. When is refuge permanent
 
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I don't understand why the Russians don't let these people in....to Siberia.



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The German and French people both had the opportunity to install leaders this past year that had their interests at heart but instead they chose Macron and Merkel.


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You can only bullshit the people for so long, until they see the euphoria they speak of is in essence a Cess Pool full of 3rd world barbarians. Obama praised her and they bought into it, like lemmings going over the cliff.
Hitler had them fooled too, for quite a while...


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Will the Teutonic Tac aka Banshee be by shortly to tell us all how wrong we are to be celebrating this collapse? Big Grin


Since my service record is nowhere near as impressive as tacfoley's, I can't accept that honorific.

For background on the topic, as noted in the linked report the disagreement is between Merkel and Interior Minister Horst Seehofer, previously minister president (think governor) of the state of Bavaria, and still party head of the Bavarian CSU. This is the "sister party" to Merkel's CDU, which means it appears on the ballot instead of the latter in Bavaria; in the national parliament, they have however always caucused together. The CSU is generally a bit more conservative than the CDU, but its chief aim has always been to secure its own majority in Bavaria, where it has ruled since the state was reinstituted after WW II.

There are upcoming state elections in Bavaria this October, and the CSU is trying to shore up its right flank against the new anti-establishment AfD. At the same time, the opposition both on the left and right in national parliament has been trying to somehow tie Seehofer to a current scandal in the Federal Agency for Migration and Refugees (BAMF), where the former head of the Bremen field office illegally granted asylum to mostly Yazidi Kurds from Iraq in a four-digit number of cases over several years - either out of sympathy with the Yazidis, due to personal involvement with a lawyer representing them, or a mix. This is of course nonsense since it happened years ago, and has been investigated for some time before Seehofer even took his current office as the responsible minister three months ago, but everybody is trying to play political games ahead of elections in an important state.

As for the national CDU/CSU-SPD government breaking apart over it, it is possible, but not too likely. CDU and CSU members of the Bundestag had seperate sessions on the issue today, which is a first in their joint history. But arguably they had a greater rift when the CSU actually voted to leave the joint caucus over disagreements between then-heads Franz-Josef Strauß and Helmuth Kohl after the Conservatives lost the 1976 national election. There have been repeated suggestions ever since then about the CSU competing with the CDU on the national level, like during the 2015/16 quarreling over refugee policy between Merkel and Seehofer, when the latter tried to rally his troops against being suceeded as Bavarian minister president by his inner-party rival Markus Söder (which still happened). It has never been followed through with though, for the same reason the 1976 split was rescinded before it was even implemented: on the flip side, the CDU would also compete in Bavaria, and the CSU is projected to lose a fifth of their current voters to them if that would happen IIRC. That would cost them their holy cow of absolute majority in the state, so probably never gonna happen.


Would it be possible for you to illustrate this? I tried and it still is difficult to follow the alphabet soup.


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Would it be possible for you to illustrate this? I tried and it still is difficult to follow the alphabet soup.
It's European Government stew to me as well.
 
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Maybe something like the Yankees and the Red Sox two bitter rivals. Please take it from there...


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