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I think this is a way for Mueller to save face, get some indictments, but have reason to close his investigation before the rest of his friends at DOJ and FBI get caught up in illegal activity. These days, "Russians" are about like "Nazis" - an entity that can be demonized ad nauseam in the press with little fear of a political-correctness backlash. This space intentionally left blank. | |||
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How confusing. The Russians went to all this trouble to elect Donald Trump, while they simultaneously supplied Christopher Steele with wild accusations that were intended to defeat Donald Trump. How does Mueller pursue these indictments and then swing back to prosecute on the basis of the dossier ? | |||
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Hopefully. Mueller can squeek out with his rep somewhat intact (at large, not with conservatives of course) and the issues with the corrupt cronies he appointed pre-date his goat rope and are on them. “People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” –Chuck Palahnuik Be harder to kill: https://preparefit.ck.page | |||
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Those Ruskie defendants are all in Russia, will never set foot in a US courtroom and this indictment will not result in convictions, very likely. The dossier is completely different set of actors, facts, etc. How are they incompatible? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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The Russian social media effort is described as trying to elect Donald Trump. Kremlin sources (literally simultaneously) provide Steele w so called outrageous "intelligence" to defeat Donald Trump. Now you could argue that the Russian sources who - described blackmail tapes on Trump, - Lawyer Cohen plotting directly with Russians to cover their "collusion", and - Carter Page negotiating huge deals in exchange for decisions benefitting the Russians, - that those same Russian sources had no idea their information would be fed back to Christopher Steele to be used as opposition research. I don't believe that for a minute. That of course assumes the dossier wasn't significantly or completely fabricated by Glenn Simpson, Nellie Ohr and Christopher Steele. | |||
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| Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
If it is true that the "Russians" indicted are in Russia and likely never to actually be brought to trial, then mueller can close up his witch hunt as a "success" put all those nice taxpayer dollars in his bank account and go home. Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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NSFW (language) https://youtu.be/IAQfglRyPlM?t=7s It's appropriate 'cause it involves (shhhhh...) Russians! “People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” –Chuck Palahnuik Be harder to kill: https://preparefit.ck.page | |||
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 Based on this there should be thousands of indictments naming BLM and Antifa. "Fixed fortifications are monuments to mans stupidity" - George S. Patton | |||
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Described by who? The Ruskies? Who can say what these guys were trying to do, really. Maybe just spread hate and discontent, mistrust, disgust in the electorate. Both this op and the dossier op could co-exist in a variety of scenarios, it seems to me. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Chaffetz on DOJ's Indictment of 13 Russians: 'Mitt Romney Was Right in 2012' http://insider.foxnews.com/201...omney-was-right-2012 | |||
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Concur. | |||
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Your argument assumes that these Russian sources actually exist, were coordinated with a broader group of Russians working to the same ends and that their goal was to elect Trump. It's entirely possible ( as you yourself pointed out) that most of the shit in the dossier was made up out of thin air by Hillary's minions and fed back through Steele to be given to the FBI. If there were actual Russians involved it could be that they simply wanted to create chaos in the election and sully both candidates in order to increase animosity among a divided electorate. Have you noticed the vitriol spewed by both sides? Half the country hates the other half and the feeling is mutual. I am sure our enemies recognize this powder keg as the best chance they will ever have of seeing the US fall. ______________________________ “I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” ― John Wayne | |||
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Unless the Russians possessed much more precise polling information, it is hard to imagine that they expected a Trump victory if they just pushed a little. Nobody including the Russian intelligence expected a Trump win. They were simply trying to discredit the process. Of course you very rightly point out that the polarisation of the electorate and the witch hunt mentalities that have evolved serve them very well. The irony is that it is CNN and the rest of the MSM that continue to reinforce these divisions, and do everything they can to generate animosity. Who exactly is working for the Russians? Calgary Shooting Centre | |||
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I wonder if Mueller is worried about this: Remember the Chicago Trump rally that had to be canceled because of violent large anti-Trump crowds? And the subsequent Okeefe videos that showed those violent demonstrators were organized by the Clinton dirt tricks team ? https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.1aa3e3cc997d after Okeefe's “Rigging the Election” came out, Scott Foval was laid off by Americans United for Change, where he had been national field director; Robert Creamer resigned from work he was doing or the unified Democratic campaign for Hillary Clinton. the video of Foval, a Wisconsin-based politico with a long résumé, had him bragging about a litany of political dirty tricks Foval boasts of “conflict engagement in the lines of Trump rallies,” takes credit for the violence that canceled a Trump rally at the University of Illinois at Chicago, admits he has paid “mentally ill” people to start trouble and says there's a “Pony Express” that keeps Democratic operatives in touch, regardless of whether they work for super PACs or the campaigns not permitted to coordinate with super PACs ******************* diff topic re the Russian indictments:  | |||
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I sure hope that no one believes that Russia's effort is the non plus ultra. It is only a stepping stone towards the ultimate goal of destabilisation. They have discovered Niagara Falls. That if something is presented in a fairly reasonable manner, people will eat it hook, line, and sinker. Heck, even those not presented in a fairly reasonable manner. The power of gullibility. Which is more comfortable and convenient than critical thinking. Just lather, rinse, repeat. Btw, did you know that Oprah is waiting to hear from God? *************************** Knowing more by accident than on purpose. | |||
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The thing that surprises me most is that some people think stuff like this hasn't always gone on, by all sides. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Mueller knows he needs to drag this out as long as possible because as soon as he shuts it down, he likely becomes a target in the next special prosecutors investigation. as long as he is 'looking' into Trump, The President can't do much to him without looking like he's trying to exert influence. [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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If foreign meddling in the election is a concern there should be an investigation into it. Mueller isn't tasked with that. How many other countries tried to meddle in the election? How many Americans tried to meddle with the election. It's like these people have never been on the internet. Someone should ask them if they have anti-virus software and spam filters on their PC's. If so why would you be surprised someone tried to hack the election? They try to hack everything else. ____________________________________________________ The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart. | |||
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It is amazing to me as well. The US government and many other "parties" have meddled in elections of all sorts for as long as such things have existed. If "meddling" in an election is a crime, we would need to jail or hang every politician, foundation board member and "special interest" lobbyist on the planet. Hum.... ____________________________ "It is easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled." Unknown observer of human behavior. | |||
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I still don't understand the difference between this and http://thehill.com/policy/inte...larger-than-reported | |||
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