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James Woods, ba-zing!!

From what I read on the 'net about the Manafort trial it may yet be dismissed for being 'Out-of-Scope'.


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James Woods, ba-zing!!

From what I read on the 'net about the Manafort trial it may yet be dismissed for being 'Out-of-Scope'.


Where do you read that?




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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JALLEN, although the issue of the scope of the investigation was addressed in April-May when the judge requested the unredacted memo, his remarks about the real intent of the prosecution show his skepticism. I think he may re-visit the scope as an out for overreach.


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James Woods, ba-zing!!

From what I read on the 'net about the Manafort trial it may yet be dismissed for being 'Out-of-Scope'.
Where do you read that?
I'm reading it between the lines. The trial just ain't goin' swimmingly for the prosecution. The judge has Mueller's number.


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Don’t be so sure.

If the judge had serious misgivings about the authority of the prosecutor to bring these charges, I would expect that to have been resolved before trial. There is nothing to be gained by going through a couple of weeks of trial only to decide “Never mind!”

The judge has seen all the pretrial motions, evidentiary issues, probably proposed jury instructions, has the list of witnesses, and may feel like he has a pretty good idea of the outcome. What sometimes happens is the judge will put on a show in favor of the projected losing party, rulings on close questions etc., imposing seemingly tough limits on testimony, letting the other side get away with foolish but harmless informalities. It makes the transcript look good on appeal, nothing to bitch about.

If the ruling comes later, out of scope, now a regular US Attorney will have to re-try, assuming the tax evasion charges are appropriate.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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Don’t be so sure.

If the judge had serious misgivings about the authority of the prosecutor to bring these charges, I would expect that to have been resolved before trial. There is nothing to be gained by going through a couple of weeks of trial only to decide “Never mind!”



The judge has seen all the pretrial motions, evidentiary issues, probably proposed jury instructions, has the list of witnesses, and may feel like he has a pretty good idea of the outcome. What sometimes happens is the judge will put on a show in favor of the projected losing party, rulings on close questions etc., imposing seemingly tough limits on testimony, letting the other side get away with foolish but harmless informalities. It makes the transcript look good on appeal, nothing to bitch about.

If the ruling comes later, out of scope, now a regular US Attorney will have to re-try, assuming the tax evasion charges are appropriate.



Point well taken, however the trial Judge may have had concerns of the scope by the Special Prosecutor and the pre trial filings may have been concerning, but not enough for the Judge to prevent a trial; however as the trial plays out and evidence is taken and the Judge begins to see that the court is being used as a tool for a political means and not a prosecution based upon scope and probable cause he may put an end to it. May not be with prejudice but doubt he let his court be used for political means.
 
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There is nothing to be gained by going through a couple of weeks of trial only to decide “Never mind!”


Isn't there though? This judge could have been setting this up from the get go. Let Mueller believe there is a chance, then turn around and whack him right in the dick. Make a point of it!


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Point well taken, however the trial Judge may have had concerns of the scope by the Special Prosecutor and the pre trial filings may have been concerning, but not enough for the Judge to prevent a trial; however as the trial plays out and evidence is taken and the Judge begins to see that the court is being used as a tool for a political means and not a prosecution based upon scope and probable cause he may put an end to it. May not be with prejudice but doubt he let his court be used for political means.


His court is being used for a criminal trial.

It is impossible to evaluate the scope issue without the document which is still highly classified, but also difficult to believe that the scope precludes prosecution for federal crimes evidence of which is discovered in the course of the investigation. It seems far more likely that the prosecutor can either bring charges or hand over to a US Attorney.

The judge is aware of the tactics, of course, to use these charges to flip a defendant, but sometimes the defendant doesn’t flip and prosecutors have to prove their case.

Who is saying there may still be a dismissal for out of scope?




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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The other night at the rally in Ohio, President Trump called Rep. Jim Jordan to the stage. Jordan came up, interacted cordially, gave a very enthusiastic few words about Trump’s many accomplishments to the appreciative crowd.

Sundance, on The Conservative Treehouse, is claiming that before that moment, Jordan had never met nor spoken to Trump in person. Link

I find this hard to believe. In office 18 months now, Trump has so many meetings, conferences with Congressmen Cabinet, others, often well publicized, dinners, lunches, receptions, etc. Jordan is a 6 Term Congressman of some influence, not just some one of 435 potted plants, some new guy.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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JUXTAPOSITION

It seems to me that President Trump is right on target about the anti-American fake news in our country. Consider these quotes as a clear indicator:

(January 19, 2017) CNN’s president, Jeff Zucker, said, “ One of the things I think this administration hasn’t figured out yet is that there’s only one television network that is seen in Beijing, Moscow, Seoul, Tokyo, Pyongyang, Baghdad, Tehran, and Damascus — and that’s CNN. The perception of Donald Trump in capitals around the world is shaped, in many ways, by CNN. Continuing to have an adversarial relationship with that network is a mistake." Link

Now some 20 months later, President Trump tweets today, “ The Fake News hates me saying that they are the Enemy of the People only because they know it’s TRUE. I am providing a great service by explaining this to the American People. They purposely cause great division & distrust. They can also cause War! They are very dangerous & sick!" Link

Zucker threatened to give this administration a bad perception in adversarial capitals around the world unless President Trump stopped calling into question CNN’s slated coverage. CNN then pounded the world with slanted propaganda against us – the people of the United States – as it tries to hinder our duly elected president.

Doesn’t that make CNN sound like an Enemy of the People to you? I’m not saying that all coverage should be rosy but CNN using its platform to talk down our leader on the world stage does not seem at all mindful of the freedoms that sustain CNN’s own alleged function in our free society.


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Propaganda works. That is why the left is so fond of it.
 
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Joey D 8/6/18



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INTERVIEW - JOE DIGENOVA - legal analyst and former U.S. Attorney to the District

TOPIC: DACA Ruling and latest on Russia probe: Manafort trial, Trump Tower meeting, Steele



"All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope."

--Sir Winston Churchill

"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."

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This would be useful. And good timing.

Via Paul Sperry - Look this month for POTUS to declassify …

— 20 redacted pages of June 2017 FISA renewal

… and possibly …

— 63 pages of emails and notes b/t Ohr & Steele

— FD-302 summaries of 12 FBI interviews w/ Ohr re Steele

… and watch Dems and media toadies become apoplectic


https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...senstein-this-month/



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^^^^^^ lines up w what Joe DiGenova said in the Cliff's audio above.

Let's keep fingers crossed
 
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I can already hear the clamor about "protecting methods and sources!!!!"

Shine a light on it, Mr. President! Let's all have a look-see.
 
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I can already hear the clamor about "protecting methods and sources!!!!"

Shine a light on it, Mr. President! Let's all have a look-see.
And the last several times times that line has been trotted out, it subsequently fell flat on its face.
Here's to hoping.


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Right there with you. It's become a hollow defense on their part.
 
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Check out this Obama administration Braniac embarrass himself on TV.

Oh, that darned "breaking news", huh?

"Of course, I am not in a position to comment on that." Yeah? Well, you were talking up a fucking storm before the truth accidentally spilled out. Jackass.



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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It's like Baghdad Bob being interviewed telling the world that there are no Americans in Baghdad, when our tanks are rolling down the street right behind him.




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It's like Baghdad Bob being interviewed telling the world that there are no Americans in Baghdad, when our tanks are rolling down the street right behind him.
An oldie but a goodie, courtesy of yours truly, way back when.

 
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