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https://www.wsj.com/articles/w...=article_email_share

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Until this week, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and fellow institutionalists at the department had fought Congress’s demands for information with the tools of banal bureaucracy—resist, delay, ignore, negotiate. But Mr. Rosenstein took things to a new level on Tuesday, accusing House Republicans of “threats,” extortion and wanting to “rummage” through department documents. A Wednesday New York Times story then dropped a new slur, claiming “Mr. Rosenstein and top FBI officials have come to suspect that some lawmakers were using their oversight authority to gain intelligence about [Special Counsel Bob Mueller’s ] investigation so that it could be shared with the White House.”

Republicans also demand the FBI drop any objections to declassifying a section of the recently issued House Intelligence Committee report that deals with a briefing former FBI Director James Comey provided about former national security adviser Mike Flynn. House Republicans say Mr. Comey told them his own agents did not believe Mr. Flynn lied to them. On his book tour, Mr. Comey has said that isn’t true. Someone isn’t being honest. Is the FBI more interested in protecting the reputations of two former directors (the other being Mr. Mueller, who dragged Mr. Flynn into court on lying grounds) than in telling the public the truth?

a real stumper, isn't it ?

On every occasion that Justice or the FBI has claimed material must be withheld for the sake of national security or continuing investigations, it has later come out that the only thing at stake were those institutions’ reputations .


Think the Comey memos, which showed the former director had little basis for claiming obstruction. Or Sen. Chuck Grassley’s criminal referral of dossier author Christopher Steele, the FBI’s so-called reliable source, whom we now know it had to fire for talking to the press and possibly lying.

The Justice Department is laying all this at the feet of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which technically oversees redactions. But ODNI consults with the agency that “owns” the material, and the FBI is clearly doing the blocking. Again, many pieces of the House Intel report that are being hidden happen to relate to FBI conduct during the 2016 election.


So the House holds Rosenstein in contempt. It held Holder in contempt. BFD. The DOJ enforces contempt citations if, as, and when they get around to it. Right!




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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Rosenstein is supposedly Mueller's boss

The more Rosenstein is challenged and attacked by congress, the credibility of Mueller's "crusade to impeach" is decreased.

The key to defeating Mueller is to convince most of the American public that there has been substantial corruption at the FBI, DoJ, and intel agencies. And getting as many people as possible to see that the FBI/DoJ are hiding behind phony national security claims to keep the truth from coming out.

I don't believe we will get Mueller to stop. He is a fanatic and hell bent on indicting Donald Trump. (MHO)

If we can get the truth out about things such as the FISA warrant application, Comey / McCabe testimony, and other things being hidden, then I think this can have a happy ending w the proper people ruined and disgraced.
 
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So the House holds Rosenstein in contempt. It held Holder in contempt. BFD. The DOJ enforces contempt citations if, as, and when they get around to it. Right!


Easy. You force Sessions to enforce the lawful contempt order, or you fire him. He is supposedly a law and order guy no?
 
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So the House holds Rosenstein in contempt. It held Holder in contempt. BFD. The DOJ enforces contempt citations if, as, and when they get around to it. Right!


Easy. You force Sessions to enforce the lawful contempt order, or you fire him. He is supposedly a law and order guy no?


Sometimes I wish I lived in a world where everything was so easy.

The House can’t force Sessions to do anything, save the threat of impeachment.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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No, but the president can fire him for not enforcing a lawful contempt order, AKA refusing to do his job.

As for getting someone else confirmed it may be hard it may not. But one thing is certain you never know until you try. By flaunting the law he is no better than his predecessors, and proof that the law means nothing to him either.
 
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Can we please lay off the harping about Sessions? It has gotten very old.
 
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I am just saying that there is a recourse, no matter who it is that ignores a congressional contempt charge. The law matters or it does not.
 
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ALEXANDRIA, Va. (Reuters) - A federal judge on Friday sharply criticized Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s criminal case in Virginia against President Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, and openly questioned whether Mueller exceeded his prosecutorial powers by bringing it.

“I don’t see what relationship this indictment has with anything the special counsel is authorized to investigate,” U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis in the Eastern District of Virginia said.

At tense hearing at the federal courthouse in Alexandria, Virginia, the judge said Mueller should not have “unfettered power” in his Russia probe and that the charges against Manafort did not arise from the investigation into Moscow’s alleged meddling in the 2016 U.S. election.

Manafort is facing charges in both Virginia and Washington. The Virginia case charges him with offenses including tax and bank fraud. The other case accuses him of conspiring to launder money and failing to register as a foreign agent when he lobbied for the pro-Russia Ukrainian government.

None of the charges relate, however, to Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign or possible collusion with Russia. Trump has denied any collusion.

Lawyers for Manafort asked the judge in the Virginia case to dismiss an indictment filed against him in what was their third effort to beat back criminal charges by attacking Mueller’s authority.

The judge questioned why Manafort’s case there could not be handled by the U.S. attorney’s office in Virginia, rather than the special counsel’s office.

He also asked the special counsel’s office to share privately with him a copy of Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosentein’s August 2017 memo elaborating on the scope of Mueller’s Russia probe. He said the current version he has been heavily redacted.

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Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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“You don’t really care about Mr. Manafort’s bank fraud,” Judge T.S. Ellis III said during a morning hearing. “You really care about getting information Mr. Manafort can give you that would reflect on Mr. Trump and lead to his prosecution or impeachment.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com...89fe3ca4c_story.html
 
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Good for Judge Ellis. Some truth for a change

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...-trump-cmon-man.html

Mueller’s team says its authorities are laid out in documents including the August 2017 scope memo – and that some powers are actually secret because they involve ongoing investigations and national security matters that cannot be publicly disclosed.

Ellis seemed amused and not persuaded.

He summed up the argument of the Special Counsel’s Office as, "We said this was what [the] investigation was about, but we are not bound by it and we were lying."

The judge also gave the government two weeks to hand over the unredacted “scope memo” or provide an explanation why not -- after prosecutors were reluctant to do so, claiming it has material that doesn’t pertain to Manafort.

“I’ll be the judge of that,” Ellis said.
 
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April unemployment is 3.9%

N.Korea is about to release three American hostages held since the Obama days. Soon, Kim Jung Un and President Donald Trump will meet, to begin initial talks on re-unification of a non-nuclear Korea. Astonishing!

Meanwhile, the Democrats can't stop talking about a has-been porn star, Russia, and impeaching Trump. (You know, the guy who turned the economy around and took the nukes away from a lunatic. --Get him out of the White House!)

And they think they are going to sweep the midterms.

I think they have a really good shot only if they keep getting Hillary in front of television cameras. That's the ticket for them. More Hillary. Yep.


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Good for Judge Ellis. Some truth for a change

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...-trump-cmon-man.html

Mueller’s team says its authorities are laid out in documents including the August 2017 scope memo – and that some powers are actually secret because they involve ongoing investigations and national security matters that cannot be publicly disclosed.

Ellis seemed amused and not persuaded.

He summed up the argument of the Special Counsel’s Office as, "We said this was what [the] investigation was about, but we are not bound by it and we were lying."

The judge also gave the government two weeks to hand over the unredacted “scope memo” or provide an explanation why not -- after prosecutors were reluctant to do so, claiming it has material that doesn’t pertain to Manafort.

“I’ll be the judge of that,” Ellis said.


He (Judge Ellis) referenced the common exclamation from NFL announcers, saying: "C'mon man!"




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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some dates to keep in mind

9 May 2017 Comey fired

17 May 2017 Rosenstein appoints Mueller as special counsel
Mueller takes over the FBI Russia collusion investigation that has been going on since July 2016. (presumably under the Bill Priestap FBI CounterIntelligence Division)

25 June 2017 Lisa Page texts Strzok “Don’t ever text me again”

18 July 2017 Rod Rosenstein authorizes the Carter Page FISA warrant for a third extension

20 July 2017 DoJ IG Horowitz gets Strzok/Lisa Page text messages

2 August 2017 Rosenstein sends Mueller a new detailed description of Mueller’s scope of investigation and definition of authority
 
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ALEXANDRIA, Va. (Reuters) - A federal judge on Friday sharply criticized Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s criminal case in Virginia against President Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, and openly questioned whether Mueller exceeded his prosecutorial powers by bringing it.

“I don’t see what relationship this indictment has with anything the special counsel is authorized to investigate,” U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis in the Eastern District of Virginia said.




The chorus that Mueller has grossly overreached in this investigation is growing louder. The latest allegations are that the investigation has been so mishandled and abused, and the potential case against Trump has been so muddied, that it wouldn't pass legal scrutiny or viability in a prosecution, per Giuliani, et al. I'm wondering how accurate this viewpoint is?
 
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Hasn't Rosenstein had something like nine major cases reversed/tossed on appeal?
 
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Remember Dr Jennifer Pena ? Who sabotaged the ADM Jackson nomination to VA?

She resigned.

https://www.politico.com/story...ckson-debacle-569004

Vice President Mike Pence’s physician has resigned

“The Vice President’s office was informed today by the White House Medical Unit of the resignation. Physicians assigned to the Vice President report to the White House Medical Unit and thus any resignation would go entirely through the Medical Unit, not the Vice President’s office,” Pence spokeswoman Alyssa Farah said in a statement.
 
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back to Judge Ellis.

The prosecutor who got criticized is Michael Dreeben

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.61bedc547293

from June 2017

One of the federal government’s top criminal law specialists is joining the investigation by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III centered on possible coordination between President Trump’s associates and Russian officials.

Justice Department deputy solicitor general Michael Dreeben, who has argued more than 100 cases before the Supreme Court, is the department’s go-to lawyer on criminal justice cases and is highly respected by Democrats and Republicans because of his encyclopedic knowledge of criminal law.
 
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Remember Dr Jennifer Pena ? Who sabotaged the ADM Jackson nomination to VA?

She resigned.
One less whore in D.C.

'course, that's like saying one less gang banger in Chicago.

Either way, reap it, baby. You damn well asked for it.


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The prosecutor who got criticized is Michael Dreeben

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.61bedc547293

from June 2017

One of the federal government’s top criminal law specialists is joining the investigation by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III centered on possible coordination between President Trump’s associates and Russian officials.

Justice Department deputy solicitor general Michael Dreeben, who has argued more than 100 cases before the Supreme Court, is the department’s go-to lawyer on criminal justice cases and is highly respected by Democrats and Republicans because of his encyclopedic knowledge of criminal law.


Based solely on oral arguments in one case, I’m not worrying about this guy too much. US v. McDonnell https://www.supremecourt.gov/o...2015/15-474_19m1.pdf




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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This is the light at the end of the tunnel.


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