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A continued cesspool:

Mom Of 8 Killed Over Dispute About Child’s Bike, Baltimore

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/...imore-pd-canvassing/

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more Mosby and police commissioner Davis nonsense

http://hotair.com/archives/201...me-really-hard-guys/

The Baltimore Sun conducted an extensive interview this week with State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby and Police Commissioner Kevin Davis, in which they put the tough questions to these law enforcement leaders

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-story.html#nws=true

[Mosby and Davis] say they are overseeing crime-fighting in a different climate than six years ago, when the city experienced fewer than 200 homicides for the first time in decades. Both officials claimed those past gains were achieved using heavy-handed tactics that have been disavowed.

“There was a price to pay for” the drop below 200 homicides, a price “that manifested itself in April and May of 2015,” Davis said, referring to the uprising following the death of Freddie Gray.

“I think the long view is that doing it the right way is doing it the hard way, and I think most Baltimoreans realize that the way forward is not always going to be easy.”


Mosby and Davis went on to say that they are leading during “historic times” and that the challenges faced by their predecessors “pale in comparison” to the burden they now bear.

Mayor Pugh’s proposal to impose a one-year mandatory minimum on anyone convicted of illegally possessing a handgun. Pugh and Davis were joined by a slew of city and state officials to announce the bill, but the city’s top prosecutor was noticeably absent. While Mosby eventually expressed her support for the legislation, she did not offer testimony to the City Council in support.

is it any wonder that zero progress is being made in curbing the murder rate and tamping down the gangs?
 
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Originally posted by sdy:....[Mosby and Davis] say they are overseeing crime-fighting in a different climate than six years ago, when the city experienced fewer than 200 homicides for the first time in decades. Both officials claimed those past gains were achieved using heavy-handed tactics that have been disavowed....

Mosby and Davis went on to say that they are leading during “historic times” and that the challenges faced by their predecessors “pale in comparison” to the burden they now bear....


So in short, you trashed the old methods that worked, put in new methods that don't work, and blame the people for the sad consequences of your ineptitude.




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Baltimore's Leaders Admit They Know How To Reduce Murder Rate, But REFUSE To Do It

State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby admits more stringent policing policies save lives, but says that's not "the way forward."


State's Attorney for Baltimore, Maryland, Marilyn J. Mosby is interviewed by Shoshana Guy, Senior Producer NBC News (not pictured) while walking through the Sandtown-Winchester neighborhood, where Freddie Gray was arrested, on August 24, 2016 in Baltimore
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August 24, 2017

In recent years, Baltimore's homicide rate has spiked dramatically, up 50% from just six years ago. The primary reason the city is suffering the alarming increase in crime is on full display in an interview published by the Baltimore Sun this week.

In a rather remarkable admission, Baltimore's progressive law enforcement leaders, State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby (of Freddie Gray trial infamy) and Police Commissioner Kevin Davis, admitted to the paper that the skyrocketing homicide rate — averaging over 300 murders a year, up from less than 200 murders in 2011 — was directly linked to disavowing the more stringent policing policies of the past. While those more "heavy-handed" policies have clearly proven to work, Mosby and Davis made clear in the interview that they will not let proven success get in the way of their perceived "progress."

Here's how the Baltimore Sun's writeup of the interview begins (h/t HotAir):

Baltimore’s top law enforcement leaders say they are working closely together to fight crime — but the community should not expect a turnaround soon.

State’s Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby and Police Commissioner Kevin Davis, in an exclusive joint interview with The Baltimore Sun, say they are overseeing crime-fighting in a different climate than six years ago, when the city experienced fewer than 200 homicides for the first time in decades. Both officials claimed those past gains were achieved using heavy-handed tactics that have been disavowed.

In case it was unclear exactly who had "disavowed" those tried and true "heavy-handed tactics," Mosby and Davis both made clear in the interview that they reject being tougher on criminals like law enforcement officials had been in the past — apparently even if that results in an over 50% increase in homicides:

“There was a price to pay for” the drop below 200 homicides, a price “that manifested itself in April and May of 2015,” Davis said, referring to the uprising following the death of Freddie Gray. “I think the long view is that doing it the right way is doing it the hard way, and I think most Baltimoreans realize that the way forward is not always going to be easy.”

Mosby agreed. “People want to look for an overnight solution, but a lot of what has gotten us to this place didn’t happen overnight.”

The city, Mosby told the paper, is in a "transition" of sorts right now; despite the out of control crime and the tragic murder rate, she insisted, there's been lots of "positive" movement forward.

"At the end of the day, we’re making a lot of positive changes," she said.

Just how disconnected from reality is Mosby's "positive" view of the city's crime situation? "Baltimore is on track for more than 300 killings for the third consecutive year," the Baltimore Sun notes. "Among the latest victims was a 15-year-old boy who was gunned down in the middle of the afternoon Tuesday, the third teenager killed this month. In addition to spiking crime, authorities have continued to grapple with scandals that have led to criminal charges against officers and the dropping of scores of court cases."

Baltimore is clear evidence of a simple truth: If you go soft on criminals, they will not only commit more crimes but worse crimes. Ignore that and suffer like those suffering in Baltimore's inner-city, yet that is the approach the Obama Department of Justice took in its "reform" demands of police departments across the country. Hopefully one day the residents of cities like Baltimore say enough is enough and stop empowering those who refuse to promote their safety, economic and educational interests.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/...reduce-james-barrett


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State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby admits more stringent policing policies save lives, but says that's not "the way forward."


Even if she wanted the police to be more proactive they have already been thrown under the bus. It would take a BIG change in leadership for the police to start doing their jobs again.


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Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Unless State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby is involved. Then attribute it to malicious stupidity.



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Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Unless State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby is involved. Then attribute it to malicious stupidity.

A little from column A, a little from column B.




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What was that word she used?

Baltimorons?
 
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State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby admits more stringent policing policies save lives, but says that's not "the way forward."



Huh? So they are taking the way backwards?
 
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Is it any wonder that zero progress is being made in curbing the murder rate and tamping down the gangs?
Does anyone really give a damn about what the murder rate is in this cesspool? They obviously don't, so why should we. As long as they keep killing each other, keep the cops out, and let them have at it.

What I want to know is when is Marolyn Mosby and the members of her staff going to jail for what she did to those officers.


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https://www.yahoo.com/news/doj...-case-193558372.html

The U.S. Department of Justice said Tuesday it won't bring federal civil rights charges against six Baltimore police officers involved in the arrest and in-custody death of Freddie Gray, a young black man whose death touched off weeks of protests and unrest in the city.

The officers were charged by state prosecutors after Gray's neck was broken in the back of a police van in April 2015. The 25-year-old was handcuffed and shackled, but he was unrestrained by a seat belt.

The Justice Department said in a statement that while Gray's death was "undeniably tragic," federal prosecutors did not find enough evidence to prove the officers willfully violated his civil rights, a high legal threshold.

The decision not to bring federal charges against the officers means none of them will be held criminally responsible for Gray's death. Three officers were acquitted in state court, and Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby later dropped the remaining state cases.

Five officers face internal disciplinary hearings scheduled to begin Oct. 30. Those officers are Lt. Brian Rice, Sgt. Alicia White and officers Caesar Goodson, Edward Nero and Garrett Miller. The sixth officer, William Porter, was not charged administratively.

The Justice Department decision was first reported by The Baltimore Sun. The Baltimore Police Department, Mayor Catherine Pugh, State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby and the U.S. attorney's office declined to comment on the decision.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.91e8867f841d

Even where prosecutors may have found some fault — Goodson, for example, made a wide right turn and crossed a double yellow line, and Gray was not buckled in per department policy — they could not substantiate criminal wrongdoing, the Justice Department said.

The department said evidence “overwhelmingly contradicted reports from some civilian witnesses that Gray was either tased or beaten by the officers.”

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a wide turn and crossed a double yellow line - then charged with second degree depraved heart murder
 
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5 of the officers now face a Baltimore Police trial board.

Officer Goodson (van driver) has a trial board set for 30 Oct to 3 Nov. The recommended punishment from earlier reviews is that he be fired

Lt Rice is scheduled for 13-17 Nov. The recommended punishment from earlier reviews is that he be fired


Sgt White 5-11 Dec. The recommended punishment from earlier reviews is that she be fired

Officer Miller 18-19 Dec. The recommended punishment from earlier reviews: five days suspension without pay.

Officer Nero 20-21 Dec. The recommended punishment from earlier reviews: five days suspension without pay.


Michael Davey, an attorney for the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 3, confirmed the schedule

Davey has previously said the officers are charged with “violations of policy and procedure,” but declined to elaborate.

By law, officers who are charged with internal infractions can accept recommended punishments or contest the charges before a trial board. All five chose trial boards.

The panels, which consist of three police officers, can acquit the officers or uphold the charges. If the charges are upheld, Police Commissioner Kevin Davis would determine the officers’ punishments.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20170911-story.html

Reminder: zero court convictions on any charges.

No DoJ charges. (Gray's family was "“devastated and disappointed” by the U.S. Department of Justice decision not to file criminal civil rights charges against the six Baltimore police officers

as they enjoy their 6 million dollar pay out

Police Dept continues the persecution of officers who did the same procedures that every other Baltimore officer has been doing for decades
 
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The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has tentatively scheduled oral arguments in December for Marilyn Mosby's appeal of her immunity from suit by the Baltimore City Police officers prosecuted after Freddie Gray's death.

The appellate court, which frequently decides cases on briefs without arguments, plans to hear the case sometime during the Dec. 5-7 session

http://thedailyrecord.com/2017...y-immunity-argument/

this stuff just drags on forever
 
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The Justice Department said in a statement that while Gray's death was "undeniably tragic," federal prosecutors did not find enough evidence to prove the officers willfully violated his civil rights, a high legal threshold.



This is the same high threshold which is apparently standing in the way of quite a few some are demanding the heads of.




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http://www.wbaltv.com/article/...odson-fired/13121985

Van driver Officer Goodson is facing a police trial board this week.

Police Department attorneys want Goodson to be fired

A three-member disciplinary panel chaired by a Prince George's County police major is hearing the case.

Police agency attorney Neil Duke, who is prosecuting the charges, pointed to Goodson's inactions and his hands-off approach to the job. Duke said the case boils down to duty, responsibility and integrity. Duke said Goodson told investigators, "I didn't take no mind," when asked what he thought about Gray acting out. Duke said Goodson shrugged his shoulders when told Gray sought medical attention.

Police Department attorneys played Goodson's interview with outside agency detectives. They asked, "Given Gray's actions, why not stop and prevent him from hurting himself? Did you consider alternative transportation?" Goodson replied, "(I) figured he'd get tired and calm down."

Police trial boards have a lower standard of proof than criminal court. The case is expected to go into next week.
 
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Awesome News !

Van driver Goodson NOT GUILTY on all 21 administrative charges

https://twitter.com/RectorSun/...s/927991105425166337


I am shocked. finally, justice.





Goodson looked stoic until the 21st "not guilty."

A single conviction could have ended his career. Upon the 21st, he broke into a smile.
 
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Police Department attorneys want Goodson to be fired

Gosh, if none of the cops are sanctioned, I wonder who's going to take responsibility for the $6 million settlement that apparently should never have happened.
 
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Any word on the officers law suits???


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several officers filed a federal lawsuit against Marilyn Mosby. Haven't heard much about that for a long time.

As far as I know that is still being considered. Judge trying to decide whether the officers can actually sue prosecutor Mosby.

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reminder: there are two more trial boards to go.

LT Rice and SGT White were both also recommended to be fired. Let's hope this plays out successfully.

They went every way they could to nail Officer Goodson. Multiple officers said they had never seat belted a prisoner in a van.
 
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I can see the judge waiting to see how everything shakes out as well. If none of the officers are penalized by fed courts on civil rights charges, state court on criminal charges, or the trial boards, then that's going to say a lot. As in, Mosby might as well see if she can pony up millions in damages, a lot.
 
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