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Congresswomen Tlaib is without doubt one of the most vile people serving in Congress today. Vile and despicable.

Seriously, just what the hell is her problem here? And we're paying this awful broad?




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I'm sorry my post is long, but please, please read this. I'm a little surprised by the reaction of some of you in here. But, I also understand it's not your fault, because often times, our perceptions are heavily influenced by the media we turn to for information, or in this case mis-information. Sound familiar? Beto, Hillary, Obama, and a host of other leftest characters have weaponized the media to perpetuate a false narrative that guns kill people; that AR15's are solely a weapon of war, that semi-automatic guns are destroying our society; that nobody should own a firearm (except for their body-guards). We all know that their motive is about power; taking our power away; to increase their power- over us. Their claims about firearms are rarely grounded in factual information.

Lots of similarities with vaping... The media has also been weaponized to- not kill the vaping industry, rather, only put the small independent vaping companies out of business. I promise you, they don't care about our health. The real issue is... that big tobacco has been losing billions of dollars every year to vaping, and that number is growing every year! The "smoking" market is drying up fast and profits turning to dust. Big tobacco is a VERY large contributor to liberal election campaigns, hundreds, if not thousands of big tobacco lobbyists are working overtime to create a false narrative that vaping kills, so they can get profits back and re-line their politician friends pockets with MONEY again. The reality is... big tobacco lobbyists have worked to ban mostly flavorings of e-liquid; not e-liquid itself. And guess what? Big tobacco coincidentally sells non-flavored e-liquid. Mom and pop vape shops have thrived for quite a few years selling varieties of flavored e-liquids, so when our right to purchase flavored e-liquid is TAKEN away, the independent retailers will likely go out of business, and big tobacco will be there to sell us non-flavored eliquid that's "good for us".

I buy my e-liquid from a vendor that's completely transparent about what goes into it. USP propylene glycol is the base (same liquid in asthma inhalers, and used by hospitals to keep their air free of bacteria); organic food flavorings, etc. I can even read a laboratory analysis of what goes into their e-liquid- down to parts per million. This is the way reputable e-liquid manufactures operate. Unfortunately, I am horribly addicted to nicotine. My body & brain tell me to either vape, or smoke cigarettes. Vaping got me off of cigarettes six years ago. I'm not saying that vaping is healthy, but since I started vaping, I no longer smoke cigarettes- which contain carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, ammonia, and a whole host of other deadly chemicals that big tobacco put into cigarettes to keep us hooked.. If I continued to smoke cigarettes I would surely be dead by now. My blood pressure is lower, my cholesterol is lower, I can breath without wheezing; vaping literally saved my life and there are likely hundreds of thousands of people (or more) just like me.

My heart goes out to the young people (and their families) who've gotten sick or who have died. The harsh reality is that they were either mixing CDB oil in with their e-liquid, or buying their e-liquid from people who have no business making e-liquid; who should spend their life in prison for getting these people sick. As for the CDB oil, Our bodies weren't made to breath in oil, because it coats the inside of lungs and creates a barrier, of which oxygen can't penetrate and make its way to the bloodstream. Reputable e-liquid manufacturers know this and would NEVER add this to their products

My cardiologist asked me if I smoked cigarettes, I told him no... that I quit years ago. I told him that I vape. He instructed me to keep vaping if I needed nicotine, but never, never smoke another cigarette again if I want to live. Judge me for my "weakness" if you like, but be careful which band-wagon you jump on, because maybe next year the liberals will try to take away your Johnny Walker Black, or Budweiser.
 
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^^^^^^
Thanks, flaman, I'm in total agreement.
Well, except I mix my own unflavored juice, eliminating the flavor variable with some of those being iffy.




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Good lord.

I love me a good conspiracy theory.

Let me see if I understand this.

If I don't understand your constant need to stick a plastic dick in your mouth constantly, I am brainwashed and hate the Second Amendment and Freedom?

This is a YUGE conspiracy of BIG TOBACCO, BIG TOBACCO, BIG TOBACCO? (Where else have we heard the incessant use of "BIG (Insert whatever you want to villianize)".

Let me break it down for you from people who don't vape.

I don't give a shit about your constant need to stick that dick in your mouth. Not one bit. What I do care about is your need to stick that dick in your mouth in crowded public places. And blow whatever vile concoction all over the other party goers. And when people try to complain they get attitude and "Its just vapor, man".

And maybe, just maybe, we're tired of seeing people, particularly kids, in ICU because "it's just vapor man". And perhaps we're also tired of hearing "Well, if you use these they'll kill you, but these are completely legit. So, stop being a commie and hating vaping."

Please also spare us the gun and "freedom" comparisons. If I fire my gun in a crowd, I get my ass shot, or at the very least get dragged out and charged with a felony. It's just people defending vaping attempting to get hero status by comparing anyone who dislikes the smell or having unknown shit blown in their faces as being the EXACT same as Pelosi or Beto. Vaping is not like guns, nor are society being tired of the shit being spewed in our face in the name of "freedom". I hear commercials constantly from a tobacco shop about the "persecuted smoker". They got that way because people got tired of having smoke blown in our faces and "because freedom". Vapers didn't learn from that lesson apparently. That and they insist on "Well, don't take mine away because of a few bad actors. It's just like guns, man". STOP IT. No it isn't. People who misuse guns get punished. There are laws against misusing guns.

Vape drain cleaner if you want. Don't do it around me. THAT IS FREEDOM.




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Let me see if I understand this.

If I don't understand your constant need to stick a plastic dick in your mouth ...

Good job of throwing your credibility right straight into the crapper, Jones



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So JL, when you drink anything with a plastic or paper straw are you putting a dick in your mouth? I didn't think so. Roll Eyes I agree with your posts 99% of the time but you're way out of line on this one.
 
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Yawn.

What is incorrect with what I said?

The conspiracy theories? The false comparisons with guns? The fact that people who don't vape are fed up? The fact that people that misuse guns have consequences?

Yeah, pretty spot on.

Fellas, this is a mess that you have created. Just because it was mean and hurtful to your manhood on how I said it does not make it any less true.

Grow up and own it. People are tired of the false analogies like whatever the "plastic straw" thing is supposed to mean. I am not addicted to sticking a plastic straw in my mouth every twenty seconds. I don't blow plastic straw around on everyone who is with a five foot radius of me. I don't carry around a plastic straw in my left hand constantly. It's just another false flag red herring in an attempt to normalize some bullshit.

Stop making excuses and own it. It is always someone else's fault, isn't it? It is always that someone else doesn't understand, isn't it? It is always a conspiracy theory, isn't it? It can never be that people are tired of the crap. On a forum that is supposedly pretty big on personal responsibility, this is getting laughable.

People that do not vape are tired of having this vile shit blown in their faces. It is NOT a conspiracy of "BIG TOBACCO". I just worked a four day festival that drew a crowd of about 40,000 into a small area. Care to guess what I saw the vapers doing in this crowded area? Zero consideration.

True freedom is your vices do not affect me. Not your ability to do whatever you, affect other people, and then blame the other people that don't like it as being commies.

Consequences, fellas. We're past due.




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Yawn.

Right back at ya.

You lost any credibility you might otherwise have had, wrt this discussion, with "I don't know anything about it, don't understand it, and don't like it, so people who do it are dick-substitution-suckers."



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Yawn.

Right back at ya.

You lost any credibility you might otherwise have had, wrt this discussion, with "I don't know anything about it, don't understand it, and don't like it, so people who do it are dick-substitution-suckers."


Then if you don't care, why bother to comment? So I know that you don't care?

How much exactly do I need to know about having this crap blown in my face before I'm not allowed to like it? It is a particle per million thing? How much?

You guys seem to have an emotional attachment to the argument that is a hurdle you just can't seem to get over. I don't have to have a masters degree in microbiology to know that I don't like having to breath stuff that has been in your lungs. Nor do I need an advanced degree to know that it is far past time that there needs to be consequences for me having to breath it.

By your standard, how much do I need to know before I'm allowed to not like having this stuff blown in my face? Do I have to take like an eight hour class? Go through a permitting process? Or am I allowed to be an adult and think, "you know, I really don't like having this stuff blown on me in a crowd. And while I am at it, I'm really tired of the excuse making that goes on by those who do it". Am I reasonably allowed to look at plums of the unknown stuff in a crowd and think to myself "What an inconsiderate jerk". When by your standard am I allowed to have an opinion of my own that includes I don't like breathing the shit?

Consequences. You misuse a gun, there are consequences. I'm not sure what more there is to understand here.

I have no credibility in your eyes. Yay. But until you learn from what I am saying, you will continue to lose.




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Yawn.

What is incorrect with what I said?

The conspiracy theories? The false comparisons with guns? The fact that people who don't vape are fed up? The fact that people that misuse guns have consequences?

Yeah, pretty spot on.

Fellas, this is a mess that you have created. Just because it was mean and hurtful to your manhood on how I said it does not make it any less true.

Grow up and own it. People are tired of the false analogies like whatever the "plastic straw" thing is supposed to mean. I am not addicted to sticking a plastic straw in my mouth every twenty seconds. I don't blow plastic straw around on everyone who is with a five foot radius of me. I don't carry around a plastic straw in my left hand constantly. It's just another false flag red herring in an attempt to normalize some bullshit.

Stop making excuses and own it. It is always someone else's fault, isn't it? It is always that someone else doesn't understand, isn't it? It is always a conspiracy theory, isn't it? It can never be that people are tired of the crap. On a forum that is supposedly pretty big on personal responsibility, this is getting laughable.

People that do not vape are tired of having this vile shit blown in their faces. It is NOT a conspiracy of "BIG TOBACCO". I just worked a four day festival that drew a crowd of about 40,000 into a small area. Care to guess what I saw the vapers doing in this crowded area? Zero consideration.

True freedom is your vices do not affect me. Not your ability to do whatever you, affect other people, and then blame the other people that don't like it as being commies.

Consequences, fellas. We're past due.


Are you sucking on a dick when drinking through a straw? You're definitely implying that anybody that vapes is sucking a dick. That's fucked up and you know it. Seems pretty incorrect to me. Again, I agree with 99% of your posts but you are way out of line here.
 
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Yawn.

What is incorrect with what I said?

The conspiracy theories? The false comparisons with guns? The fact that people who don't vape are fed up? The fact that people that misuse guns have consequences?

Yeah, pretty spot on.

Fellas, this is a mess that you have created. Just because it was mean and hurtful to your manhood on how I said it does not make it any less true.

Grow up and own it. People are tired of the false analogies like whatever the "plastic straw" thing is supposed to mean. I am not addicted to sticking a plastic straw in my mouth every twenty seconds. I don't blow plastic straw around on everyone who is with a five foot radius of me. I don't carry around a plastic straw in my left hand constantly. It's just another false flag red herring in an attempt to normalize some bullshit.

Stop making excuses and own it. It is always someone else's fault, isn't it? It is always that someone else doesn't understand, isn't it? It is always a conspiracy theory, isn't it? It can never be that people are tired of the crap. On a forum that is supposedly pretty big on personal responsibility, this is getting laughable.

People that do not vape are tired of having this vile shit blown in their faces. It is NOT a conspiracy of "BIG TOBACCO". I just worked a four day festival that drew a crowd of about 40,000 into a small area. Care to guess what I saw the vapers doing in this crowded area? Zero consideration.

True freedom is your vices do not affect me. Not your ability to do whatever you, affect other people, and then blame the other people that don't like it as being commies.

Consequences, fellas. We're past due.


Are you sucking on a dick when drinking through a straw? You're definitely implying that anybody that vapes is sucking a dick. That's fucked up and you know it. Seems pretty incorrect to me. Again, I agree with 99% of your posts but you are way out of line here.


What am I incorrect about? The conspiracy theory? The red herrings? The false comparisons to freedom? The fact people are tired of having this crap blown in their faces and being told "It's cool man, its just vapor I bought from a totally legit guy that opened up a shop that used to be a porn store" are tired of it?

You guys can continue to be upset over how I put it. But, until you care as much about how YOUR vice effects people that have no dog in the race, you will continue to lose. You can get a runner up gift for being indignant because I called it a plastic dick and you found it offensive.

And right now, you really don't seem to give a shit about me or them. You're just upset because I called it a plastic dick. That there is the real problem. The people addicted to this stuff care about the perception of what they want, with no recognition of the concerns of others who want nothing to do with vaping. Which is the same attitude that brought us to where we are.


Apparently, we can't have personal responsibility, so there has to be consequences.




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No, members may be upset with your posts because, essentially, you're insulting everyone who vapes (and how many member do this? You don't know, so it's a blanket insult) and you're doing so in a very provocative way. Why wouldn't you expect push-back at all this "sucking a dick" stuff? For you to act otherwise is rather disingenuous. Your post is a thrown-down gauntlet, and I get the impression that you're posting as a police officer, and not as a member of this forum. You know that some members will balk at this.
 
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And right now, you really don't seem to give a shit about me or them. You're just upset because I called it a plastic dick.

Consequences.


All I know is that you don't win a argument but calling your opponent a dick sucker. I am also waiting for your response to "Are You A Dick Sucker" by using straws? They are plastic, you put them in your mouth, suck, and you do it yourself. My guess is that you don't consider yourself a dick sucker yet you're good with calling your opponents a dick sucker. A real low blow dude.

Actually my wife got off of cigs by vaping. Is she a dick sucker? I dare you to answer that.
 
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Thanks, boss.

Look: I understand people objecting to having vape blown in the faces. I vape, and I don't like it, either. Just as I didn't care for cigarette smoke blown in my face back when I was still smoking. Both are rude, inconsiderate behaviours. I also didn't, and don't, like it when smokers toss their butts out the windows of their cars or toss them on the ground.

But inconsiderate smokers/vapers does not justify crucifying all smokers/vapers, IMO. Just as criminal or irresponsible use of firearms does not justify condemning all firearms owners.

So let us stick to the subject of the OP: The potential dangers of vaping to people who vape and what, if anything, the industry and the government should do to address them.

IOW: Just as we ask of those who propose gun control: Let us have calm, reasoned, factual discussion regarding the subject.

ETA: As an aside: I've never had vape blown in my face, except in vape shops. And that wasn't purposeful--or even directly in my face.



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No, members may be upset with your posts because, essentially, you're insulting everyone who vapes (and how many member do this? You don't know, so it's a blanket insult) and you're doing so in a very provocative way. Why wouldn't you expect push-back at all this "sucking a dick" stuff? For you to act otherwise is rather disingenuous. Your post is a thrown-down gauntlet, and I get the impression that you're posting as a police officer, and not as a member of this forum. You know that some members will balk at this.


I am not posting as a police officer. I'm posting as someone who is sick and tired of watching this stuff blown in people's faces, and having it blown in mine.

I'm fine with the push back, Para.




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I think that you're not only fine with the push-back, but also that your post was calculated to evoke such a response. I don't care one way or the other about what people put into their bodies. It's their business, not mine. Perhaps you would do well to consider adopting the same attitude.

The people I see vaping aren't "blowing smoke into other people's faces". You just don't like the habit. That's apparent.
 
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I'm fine with the push back, Para.


Is my wife a dick sucker and are you one yourself? Easy question...
 
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Actually my wife got off of cigs by vaping.

I've a funny anecdote related to that. My wife tried vaping for that reason. Didn't work. Vaping made her cough, and she couldn't get past it. So she still smokes.

I recently took up vaping, again. Simply because I enjoy it. But, like her taking her smoking outside: I take it outside, too. It's only fair.

So yesterday evening we're sitting on the steps to the patio and she says "Your vaping is making me want to quit smoking."

Later in the evening the penny dropped, so I said "Honey, if my going out there to vape when you're enjoying a smoke is wrecking your enjoyment, I'll stop." "No," she replied, "it isn't that. It's that your going outside to vape made me realize how silly it is to go outside, sometimes in bad weather, to smoke."



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A nice fat (min +50) cigar, a dram or two of fine Single Malt and no cares about vaping?
 
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