How has tourism been affected by Antifa protests?

What locations of antifa protests that are really considered tourist destinations?

Portland Seattle San Francisco

My wife and I would travel to Portland a couple time a year just to get away. No way in hell we would do it now.

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Originally posted by keltoi:
Portland Seattle San Francisco

I think leftist policies, increased crime, the out of control homeless and street beggars, and the human excrement on sidewalks and streets has more to do with loss of tourism than does any Antifa protest.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by keltoi:
Portland Seattle San Francisco

I think leftist policies, increased crime, the out of control homeless and street beggars, and the human excrement on sidewalks and streets has more to do with loss of tourism than does any Antifa protest.

Yep.
And, Portland a tourist destination? Seattle? Please.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by keltoi:
Portland Seattle San Francisco

I think leftist policies, increased crime, the out of control homeless and street beggars, and the human excrement on sidewalks and streets has more to do with loss of tourism than does any Antifa protest.

You're 100% correct after I think about it... Antifa is just another straw on the camel. There are a lot of reasons we don't go back to Portland and you mentioned the most important issues the wife and I have.

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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by keltoi:
Portland Seattle San Francisco

I think leftist policies, increased crime, the out of control homeless and street beggars, and the human excrement on sidewalks and streets has more to do with loss of tourism than does any Antifa protest.

Yep.
And, Portland a tourist destination? Seattle? Please.

Seattle has always been a tourist destination. There is more to see and do in the area than can done or seen in a normal lifetime. My wife and I used to go there 2-3 times a year and loved it. Of course it's only 300 mi. or 4 1/2 hrs. away. No more!! We probably will never go again because of the homelessness, filth, cost and traffic. Antifa plays no roll in that decision. It's a shame, but it is a good example of what happens to an area run by leftist socialists.

Jim

I just moved away from the Seattle area, to good ole AZ.

20 years ago when I first moved to the PNW, tourism was pretty decent. People came for the outdoors, the fishing, and believe it or not, people actually wanted to visit the Emerald City.

That has all changed. The things that Alan mentioned, is spot on. The aggressive panhandlers and tent cities and shantytowns that have sprung up, definitely steer people away from wanting to visit.

For three months out of the year, the PNW is some of the nicest scenery and outdoors one can find. It’s really amazing. It’s a damn shame that politics, and the willingness to allow the shantytowns and drug use, aggressive panhandling, etc. has ruined it.

While in the Navy, I had the opportunity to live in San Diego, Long Beach, Vallejo and Bremerton. I enjoyed them and have visited Seattle every 3-5 years since. At least up to all this crap started. No way will I support these areas today.

WHY or IF folks are shying away is inconsequential, as the liberals running those cities don't care.

ANTIFA should be declared a terrorist group and be banned. But that's not happening in those cities as they support them.

Want to bet if a pro 2nd amendment organization started frequent PEACEFUL protests that they would be allowed? Those administrations would figure out a way to ban them.

San Francisco? ANTIFA has not affected tourism anywhere near as much as having gigantic piles of human excrement on every street, along with aggressively violent homeless people.

Oh, and don't forget the drug needles, and the reeking smell.

These days, if you leave your heart in San Francisco, you just ain't goin' back for it.

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Originally posted by keltoi:
Portland Seattle San Francisco

PDX has a smaller population than the other two, and it's got enough spaces where those anarcho-socialists types can congregate. SEA & SF have had their downtown/business areas overhauled & remade due to the influx of tech business and all the money that flows in. The net result is housing prices have skyrocketed forcing-out various groups who's identity is wrapped-up in not playing the game of life. Large chunks of downtown SEA are Amazon as non-tech companies move to Bellevue, SF used to be a financial hub, has now been remade as a tech center. Portland is where SEA goes to protest, Oakland is the larger and more prominent protest hub than SF; see economics.

The bigger issue for these cities is the soft criminal stances by their respective district attorney's and govt. resulting in sky-rocketing crime rates, principally theft, burglary, vandalism, harrasment, public indecency (poop), and various violent crime, the majority a result of mental health. Just outside the historic Palace Hotel, a homeless man inexplicably started stabbing himself in the neck, spraying blood all over the place. Friend of mine was one of the responding ambulances...crazy homeless guy, no explanation. Various conventions have also opted to not to renew their show contracts due to the increasing rising crime rates. Retired baseball star Alex Rodriquez had his belongings and those of his companions stolen from their vehicle last week.

Another example:

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Originally posted by Jimbo54:

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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by keltoi:
Portland Seattle San Francisco

I think leftist policies, increased crime, the out of control homeless and street beggars, and the human excrement on sidewalks and streets has more to do with loss of tourism than does any Antifa protest.

Yep.
And, Portland a tourist destination? Seattle? Please.

Seattle has always been a tourist destination. There is more to see and do in the area than can done or seen in a normal lifetime.

It is silly to say that Seattle isn't a tourist destination, but this is pure hyperbole. A lifetime?

Seattle has historically been a waypoint more than a destination.

Antifa are the anarchists and they've been here fore ever. It's the same 300-500 people who march and protest regularly. Like the WTO Protests from 2000.

There are a couple of restaurants in Portland that I’ve wanted to try but won’t because of Antifa antics.

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Originally posted by keltoi:
Portland Seattle San Francisco

I doubt than ANTIFA is the reason those places would be avoided--more likely the filth, tent cities, and homeless.

flashguy

Liberal vermin.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by keltoi:
Portland Seattle San Francisco

I think leftist policies, increased crime, the out of control homeless and street beggars, and the human excrement on sidewalks and streets has more to do with loss of tourism than does any Antifa protest.

Yep. When we moved to the Puget Sound area in 2010, we used to enjoy going into Seattle to explore and dine, but even then, it was dirty and had a bunch of homeless junkies all over the place. Now? Not unless I absolutely have to. Antifa doesn’t even enter into the equation for me.

One could argue that Antifa are often tourist.
During the 2000 WTO protests in Seattle most of the rioters were from out of state.
Many being from Portland.

However it depends on how you define tourist.
If sleeping in the streets and breaking hotel windows is considered tourism, Antifa could be considered tourist.

Groups such as Antifa are organized.
They are not just random kids that show up.
They often travel in from other areas of the country.

Tourism is hurt by the Democratic politicians with their liberal ideology.
As others have stated, human excrement, needles in the streets, homelessness, tent cities, pan handlers, and lack of law enforcement is what hurts tourism.