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Joe Paterno lost his job and much of his reputation due to overlooking similar behavior, but on a much smaller scale.

The guy that did it is behind bars for the rest of his natural life.

That leads to the question.

Does the Catholic Church hold itself to a lower moral (and legal) standard than a college football program?

And one more. Could the Pope himself (and his associates) be hiding this because he himself has some potential guilt?
 
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Does the Catholic Church hold itself to a lower moral (and legal) standard than a college football program?
And one more. Could the Pope himself (and his associates) be hiding this because he himself has some potential guilt?

Of course people are right to ask those sorts of questions, which is why I think this Pope needs to step down. It's also why we Catholics have to support people like Burke who are willing to stand up for what is right, even if it means standing against the Pope:

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Burke wrote, “The corruption and filth which have entered into the life of the Church must be purified at their roots,” and then called for a full investigation of the allegations.


Unfortunately, this Pope doesn't seem willing to step down at this point. I hope he continues to receive pressure from the Cardinals until he does.


"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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For a person with faith, yes there is a hell but there is no one in it, as god is all forgiving.


Sorry to have to disagree. God is not all forgiving. If He was there would be no place called hell.

To be clear, that is not to say that God never forgives people's sins. He does, but there are considerations. Like where it says, GO AND SIN NO MORE!


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One must be penitent.


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For a person with faith, yes there is a hell but there is no one in it, as god is all forgiving.

You apparently ignored Book 66 of the Holy Bible entirely.
 
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Vatican Cardinal: Pope Francis Is ‘Ice-Cold, Cunning Machiavellian’



The German progressive weekly Der Spiegel has ended its love affair with the pope, declaring that the Church’s sex abuse crisis is “increasingly about Pope Francis.”

In a stunning cover article titled “The Silence of the Shepherds,” the magazine blasts the pope for his unwillingness to answer direct questions regarding what he knew about the serial homosexual abuse by U.S. Cardinal Theodore McCarrick and when he knew it.

An August 25 report from a high-ranking Vatican official declared that the pope was aware of McCarrick’s misdeeds at least as early as 2013—since the official personally informed him—and yet lifted sanctions against McCarrick that Pope Benedict had imposed and employed him as a consultant in naming new American bishops.

Yet when journalists asked the pope whether these allegations were true, and when indeed he had learned the facts about McCarrick, the pope neither confirmed nor denied the report, preferring instead the strategy of “no comment.”

According to Der Spiegel, Francis, who started as a “brilliant reformer,” now threatens to squander his legacy because “he often speaks at inopportune moments, yet in important moments remains silent.”
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The German weekly also suggests that there is a good deal more resistance to the Francis pontificate within Vatican walls than is commonly believed.

One Vatican cardinal, who spoke with Der Spiegel under the condition of anonymity, said of the pontiff: “He preaches mercy, but in reality he is an ice-cold, cunning Machiavellian, and, what is worse – he lies.”

Der Spiegel drew on this statement for its cover title captioning a darkened profile of the pope: “Du sollst nicht Lügen”—Thou Shalt Not Lie.

But the pope’s bigger problems relate directly to the sex abuse crisis and the homosexual network that underlies it, Der Spiegel observes, and the pope gives the impression of dragging his feet rather than meeting the crisis head-on.

The Pope has convened a meeting of the chairmen of all national bishops’ conferences to discuss the matter of abuse — but not until February 2019. “This means that another five months will pass” before leading Catholic bishops travel to Rome to debate this matter with the pope, the article notes.

And now there is talk of the most serious crisis of the current pontificate, it states, and of a “civil war” among the faithful, which cannot be broken down along traditional party lines of conservatives versus progressives.

Rather, “whoever listens to the Catholic base, hears massive grumbling in the belly of the huge, worldwide community of faith,” Der Spiegel adds.

Francis is his own worst enemy, the magazine proposes. “He has been railing against global capitalism for years, but, like his predecessors, he took in millions from Cardinal McCarrick,” it notes. “The pope praises the value of the traditional family, but surrounds himself with counselors and workers who display the opposite — in more or less open concubinage with representatives of one sex or the other.”

And yet, “the man who is supposed to carry the torch of Christianity sees himself as a victim,” the article observes.

During morning Mass on Tuesday, Der Spiegel notes, Pope Francis compared his silence in the face of allegations with that of the Son of God during his Passion: “When people insulted him on that Good Friday and shouted ‘crucify him!’, He was silent, for he had compassion on those people.”

Victim or not, if the Spiegel article is any indication and the pope succeeds in alienating the progressive media, he may have lost his most important fan base of all.

https://www.breitbart.com/nati...nning-machiavellian/


"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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And... NOTHING of substance came out of The Vatican’s big four-day summit...

Pope Francis’ Summit On Clerical Sexual Abuse Was A Charade

By ignoring the causes of the abuse crisis and refusing to address the McCarrick affair, the Vatican has undermined its credibility with a farcical summit.

By John Daniel Davidson
February 28, 2019

The Vatican’s four-day summit on protecting minors ended Sunday with a whimper. There were no new “concrete, effective measures” to hold Catholic bishops accountable for ignoring and covering up sexual abuse, as Pope Francis had called for before the summit began. There were likewise no discussions of the link between sexual abuse and homosexuality among the clergy, the rampant abuse of adult seminarians by their superiors, or the case of disgraced former Archbishop Theodore McCarrick.

Instead, the summit concluded with a 3,000-word speech by Francis that contained little of substance but was heavy on defensiveness and bureaucratese. Francis rattled off a list of “best practices” for ending violence against children compiled by the World Health Organization, and offered a meandering discussion about how a “great number of” abuse cases are “committed within families”—an obvious attempt to deflect attention from the putative subject of the summit: clerical sexual abuse.

In the end, the summit accomplished almost nothing because it was designed to accomplish nothing. It was narrowly tailored to address only the sexual abuse of children, and only in a generalized way, without reference to the McCarrick affair or the problems it exposed in the American hierarchy.

Never mind that the revelations about McCarrick’s sexual abuse of minors and seminarians precipitated this meeting, after Francis was accused of ignoring reports about McCarrick back in September. Never mind that more than 80 percent of abuse victims have been teenage males, or that the first reported victim of McCarrick was 17 at the time he was abused.

The prelates assembled in Rome were determined not to discuss any of that. Archbishop Charles Scicluna of Malta, one of the organizers of the summit, said homosexuality in seminaries “has nothing to do with the sexual abuse of minors.” Chicago Cardinal Blase Cupich, another summit organizer, denied a causal relationship between homosexual clergy and abuse, instead blaming “opportunity and also a matter of poor training on the part of people.”

Although Francis formally removed McCarrick from the priesthood days before the summit began, the summit shed no light on why the removal took so long, or why reports of McCarrick’s misdeeds were ignored for years.

The reason for this is perhaps simple enough. To dig into all of that would require exposing the network of bishops and cardinals who knew about McCarrick’s predations but did nothing. Perhaps they did nothing because so many high-profile bishops and cardinals—including Cupich—are where they are today because of McCarrick, who was once one of the most influential prelates in the United States.
Why Is the Vatican Not More Concerned?

An unwillingness to be transparent about the McCarrick affair has been a feature, not a bug, of the Francis papacy. Last fall, Boston Cardinal Sean O’Malley and three other U.S. bishops met with Francis in Rome to explain their plan to vote on new accountability measures for bishops at a meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in November. They also asked the pope for a Vatican investigation of the McCarrick case. To their surprise, Francis replied that he would not launch an investigation and suggested that the American bishops cancel their meeting in November and hold a spiritual retreat instead.

The bishops went ahead with their meeting, intent on laying out new rules for bishops who ignore or cover up—or commit—abuse. But on the eve of the meeting, the Vatican ordered the president of the U.S. bishops’ conference, Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of Galveston-Houston, to cancel any votes on the measures, saying there had not been sufficient time to review them and that these matters would be taken up at the February summit in Rome. The result of this unexpected intervention was to throw the November meeting into chaos and dash all hopes for a substantive response to the abuse crisis by American bishops.

Now that the Rome summit has come and gone, it’s painfully obvious that these accountability measures have been summarily ignored. It’s also obvious that there will be no forthcoming transparency about the McCarrick affair from the Vatican.

For many American Catholics, this is almost intolerable. After all the sordid revelations of sexual abuse and cover-up in the American Catholic Church—to say nothing of the reports of abuse in Chile, Argentina, Honduras, and elsewhere—it strains credulity for Francis and other high-ranking prelates to pretend that moral indifference, sexual immorality, cover-ups, and cronyism aren’t at the heart of the clerical sexual abuse crisis.

If there’s a silver lining in all this, it’s clarity about what must happen next. Real accountability, if it comes, will have to come from local bishops instituting policies in their own dioceses. There will be no universal or even national policy, at least not under Francis. What’s more, we will almost certainly have to wait until there’s a new pope in Rome before we find out for sure who knew about McCarrick, and when, and what they did—or didn’t—do about it.

That’s probably not what Francis and his allies in the United States were hoping would be the message of this summit, but that’s what came through, loud and clear.

http://thefederalist.com/2019/...exual-abuse-charade/


"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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