I won't say his name unless directed, but there was - he stopped posting a while back - a "never-Trump" member here who thought Kasich was hot shit. I wonder what he's thinking now. Probably can't wait to pull the lever for Biden.

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Originally posted by kramden:
I remember when Kasich first came on the scene in the 90's. I really admired him. Seemed a happy upbeat conservative. What happened??

In the three-dimensional game of politics, the Dems moved themselves further to the left, meanwhile the press and academia became much more openly partisan and guys like Kasich, McCain, Romney, George Will, Kristol, etc failed to recognize the change and adapt to the landscape.

Will for example was such a hardcore Reagan supporter, that anybody else wasn't good enough, thus he torpedoed any GOP candidates and those that did win, was in spite of his writings.

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In the three-dimensional game of politics, the Dems moved themselves further to the left, meanwhile the press and academia became much more openly partisan and guys like Kasich, McCain, Romney, George Will, Kristol, etc failed to recognize the change and adapt to the landscape.

It's not that they "failed to recognize the change and adapt to the landscape." It's that they themselves shifted as the landscape shifted. Particularly the politicians [moreso than Will, Kristol who just became angry], who sought praise from the leftist media and moved left.

It's a truism that if you aren't firmly rooted in conservatism, you will gradually shift to the left. That's the direction the culture is pushing you.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
It's a truism that if you aren't firmly rooted in conservatism, you will gradually shift to the left. That's the direction the culture is pushing you.

Maybe most people. I'm a liberal in the "classical" sense. Most views I hold today are consistent with those I held fifty years ago or more.

If anything: I've probably moved somewhat right, rather than increasingly left, over the years, as the wisdom of experience has revealed to me the unrealistic nature of some of my views.

Modern "liberals" (see the last line of my signature block) aren't at all liberal. To them I look like a conservative--at best.

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To them I look like a conservative--at best.

What's the difference?

To me, I'm a conservative in that I believe that the founders vision for this country is worth conserving. That vision is a "classical liberal" vision. Sometimes I call myself a "classical liberal", which just confuses most people, so usually I'm just a conservative.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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In the three-dimensional game of politics, the Dems moved themselves further to the left, meanwhile the press and academia became much more openly partisan and guys like Kasich, McCain, Romney, George Will, Kristol, etc failed to recognize the change and adapt to the landscape.

It's not that they "failed to recognize the change and adapt to the landscape." It's that they themselves shifted as the landscape shifted. Particularly the politicians [moreso than Will, Kristol who just became angry], who sought praise from the leftist media and moved left.

I don't think they recognized that the changes were right under their own feet. Not only did their colleagues and the editorial boards that they work for become much more divisive and leftist, they stumbled as the linguist and rhetoric changed. They were getting lapped as word games amongst political opinion writers flourished, leaving them flustered and lashing out at the only group they had knowledge of, fellow conservatives. They bunkered down and reduced themselves to please like me emotional state, kowtowing to the liberal journalism establishment that would otherwise hold them up as the face of the enemy. They embodied the Swamp Creature many of us so despise, they had carved themselves a nice little niche in the Beltway now, they're on the outs from all sides, because they failed to recognize the changes in the landscape.

^^^ That would jibe with the general cluelessness that prevailed at the top of the GOP for so many years back when Kristol had some pretensions to being important. I mean, the tea partiers were just redneck aberrations, right?

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Originally posted by 12131:
Kasich, Romney, and McCain. Have there ever been any worse RINOs than these three a**holes?

The three traitor amigos.

You left out Jeff Flake.

https://www.foxnews.com/politi...r-gop-congress-biden

There are a lot of non principled losers out there in the RINO party...

The local news aka democratic shill has a bigger byline for the two former gop reps from Maryland that endorsed mumbles

Fuck them all

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Originally posted by dwood4:
https://www.foxnews.com/politi...r-gop-congress-biden

There are a lot of non principled losers out there in the RINO party...

When I was in 8th grade, we had the opportunity to go to DC for a 4 day field trip. It was the first year Kasich was our representative. He welcomed the whole 8th grade into his office over 3 days and met with all of us. It was really cool for a 13 year old to actually meet their congressman.

I never had a poor opinion of him as a kid and young adult living in his district. As his career progressed, he changed and lost his way.

As far as I am concerned, he is a Democrat now, and not a very good one at that...

Yes, he did not get his way and was mad about it.
I could have told him not to waste money running,he could not have gotten elected as governor again in Ohio at that point.

Unfortunately we have one now very similar in Ohio.
He loves power and control. Dewine is the reason we not have Sherrod Brown as aenator from OHio.
Dewine flipped like a Dem while he was in his first and only Term as a Senator. Then they drug him out to run for Governor. I think his brother was the head of the Rep party in Ohio at that time?
No many people in Ohio can stand Kasich.
It is very hard to get a conservative elected to gov in Ohio as well as a Senator.

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Originally posted by 83v45magna:

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Originally posted by 12131:
Kasich, Romney, and McCain. Have there ever been any worse RINOs than these three a**holes?

The worst part to me is, I voted for two of those assholes, twice.

I am not bragging but I voted for all 3. The hall of shame for me. I guess I just voted against their opponent.

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Originally posted by divil:

BTW Kasich is non self actualized, sore looser with no integrity.

Which he highlighted by not attending Trump's first convention held in Cleveland. POS!

To show the similarities, to the Gov now, Dewine did not go see Trump a couple weeks ago, when he visited Cleveland.

Democrat Georgia State representative Vernon Jones is a far better Republican than Kasich, Romney, McCain together.

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Democrat Georgia State representative Vernon Jones is a far better Republican than Kasich, Romney, McCain together.

No doubt. Gets back to principles. I have hopes for Jones. Showed some balls coming out for Trump.

Well now the spot light is on another traitor. What is Romni going to do?

Ah yes, Pierre Delecto.

agree


traitor

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Shove him up a Biden supporters ass, where he belongs. Thank you!!