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We have a lot of LEO but I was wondering if we have any prosecutors? If so, what is/are the major issue(s) you see in your jurisdiction?


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Not a prosecutor, but I know our State's Attorney pretty well and since he was elected, his office has been working pretty much non-stop on some groundbreaking efforts to deal with our opioid crisis. It's everything from heroin to prescription narcs here, but it's a BIG problem in our county (which is almost 70% white with a median income over $90K).

That's certainly the headline issue.

-Rob




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Posts: 14547 | Location: Maryland | Registered: March 16, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I am a prosecutor (assistant, not the actual elected official) in Michigan. I prosecute mostly sex crimes with child victims.
 
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There was one. I think the username had Gman. Id say the majority of charges are drugs and drug related property crimes.
 
Posts: 14094 | Location: SE Michigan | Registered: February 10, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Originally posted by BurtonRW:
Not a prosecutor, but I know our State's Attorney pretty well and since he was elected, his office has been working pretty much non-stop on some groundbreaking efforts to deal with our opioid crisis. It's everything from heroin to prescription narcs here, but it's a BIG problem in our county (which is almost 70% white with a median income over $90K).

That's certainly the headline issue.

-Rob


I'm going to second this. I know my county DA from public events, am friends with one of my county judges, and have a good shooting buddy on the county SWAT team. The opioid crisis and it's associated criminal behavior is public enemy #1 right now.


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Posts: 5421 | Location: Newyorkistan | Registered: March 28, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I am a prosecutor (assistant, not the actual elected official) in Michigan. I prosecute mostly sex crimes with child victims.


Not a job I'd want. Good on ya'.


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Posts: 6602 | Location: Raleighwood | Registered: June 27, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I am a prosecutor (assistant, not the actual elected official) in Michigan. I prosecute mostly sex crimes with child victims.

Thank you for doing what you do, I don’t think that I could do that. You are seeing the worst of humanity, and can’ Change what happened, but you are fighting the good fight, stopping further crimes, and hopefully getting closure and peace for the victim. Prayers sent.
 
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Former prosecutor here and a large part of my practice is representing police officers, agencies and law enforcement associations.

Biggest problem in my area is violent crime and fighting the legislature who is determined to keep bad guys out of jail.
 
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My younger is a prosecuting attorney in eastern Ohio, in a county just southwest of the Youngstown area.

I'll check with him, ask him what he is seeing.
ps: The Volusia County State Attorney’s office is currently handling prosecution for two miscreants who rented my carpet cleaning equipment and did not think that they needed to return the stuff, or pay for the rental fees. I had a rant going in "What's Your Deal" about this.

Florida Statute 812.155 makes it a 3rd class felony as soon as a $300.00 line is crossed, which is definitely true for both of these cases.

Miscreant # 1 has bonded out of jail, # 2 has not been picked up yet. When I get a bit of time, I'll post the mug shot for miscreant # 1. She's a charmer! Razz

They both have a list of other warrants and arrests. Surprise, surprise!



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Posts: 16442 | Location: Central Florida (near Orlando) | Registered: January 03, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I am a prosecutor (assistant, not the actual elected official) in Michigan. I prosecute mostly sex crimes with child victims.


The convictions must be pretty satisfying but dealing with that type of cesspool daily must be aweful. I don't think I could be professional enough to do it.

Thank you for doing that job.



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Posts: 2450 | Location: Jacksonville, FL | Registered: September 10, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Originally posted by Palm:
I am a prosecutor (assistant, not the actual elected official) in Michigan. I prosecute mostly sex crimes with child victims.


As others have said, thank you for doing that job. It must be a very difficult job considering the victims, I don't know if I could do that job and stay sane. I am so thankful that there are people out there willing to do these necessary jobs in our society.



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Wow, thank you guys for the thanks you have sent my way, we don't get a ton of that. Honestly it is extremely taxing mentally, but the knowledge that I am helping kids who sometimes have no one else in their lives to help them is gratifying.

Reading this forum daily helps keep me sane!
 
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I used to be a private criminal defense attorney.

I believe 100% that we can eradicate 90% of crime in our country if we had the stones to do it.

To anyone who has worked in the system for any real amount of time, this isn't rocket science.

It's the same dirtbags doing the same crimes over and over again.

The punishment for committing crimes is a joke and folks know it. For example, every decent drug dealer out there knows how to exploit the whole, "treat don't incarcerate" mentality of our system.

Example: I can start selling drugs right now today. I can make a good bit of money at it too. When I eventually get caught, I don't even need to hire a lawyer. A half asleep public defender can walk me in front of the judge and say, "your honor, my client was only selling drugs to support his own addiction. I move to enter him into intervention in lieu."

Intervention in lieu means a program where if you complete one year of probation and have clean urine samples the entire time, your arrest and conviction is completely thrown out...like it never happened.

This is abused every day in every Common Pleas Court in our country.

Think about this, California instituted a law where after your third felony you are incarcerated for life. I actually think it's a great law. Unfortunately they had too many folks and couldn't keep them all locked up.

The folks who live in the system all know that they will get out early. They all know that they won't go to jail on a first offense of anything. Heck, it usually takes a few felony convictions before you go to jail in our system.

The major crimes get you jail, sure, but most of the offenses are just a slap on the wrist and everyone knows it.

So IMO, the biggest problem plaguing our criminal justice system is our complete inability to do what is necessary. I've lived in that world for a long time and let me tell you, rehabilitation and drug treatment is a total lie. These people are shitbags and have no place in our society.

The law we need is: after four felony convictions where appeals are exhausted, you are put to death. Nip this crap in the bud right now.


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Wow, thank you guys for the thanks you have sent my way, we don't get a ton of that. Honestly it is extremely taxing mentally, but the knowledge that I am helping kids who sometimes have no one else in their lives to help them is gratifying.

Reading this forum daily helps keep me sane!
Yes, thank you sir. Keep up the good work.
 
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Wow, thank you guys for the thanks you have sent my way, we don't get a ton of that. Honestly it is extremely taxing mentally, but the knowledge that I am helping kids who sometimes have no one else in their lives to help them is gratifying.

Reading this forum daily helps keep me sane!


Keep at it man! What eventually drove me out of the business was child porn and importuning cases. Heart breaking cases and disgusting evidence. Back in my time there were some really interesting arguments about the technology and the potetential for digitally altered pics that we were making/exploring, so intellectually it was interesting, but ultimately the people and topic was discussing.

One of my expert witnesses actually got prosecuted by the Feds when he altered an image on the stand to show how child porn could be "produced" without a child.

Again, very interesting from a purely legal question, but the folks we were advocating for were disgusting.

Sadly, in my experience, most every client I had who was a child abuser/child porn addict was abused themselves as a child. It is a cycle. They were victims once as children, and they go on to be abusers as a result.

PSA to my Sig Forum friends, keep an eye on sex offenders in your area. I check our sheriff's site regularly to know where they are. While these people were likely once victims and my heart goes out to them for that, the reality is that the experience has made them into predators and they DO NOT change. There is no rehabilitation. There is no cure. They will reoffend again once they are out. Don't let it be your child.


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Posts: 6007 | Location: Toledo, Ohio | Registered: April 19, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I am a prosecutor (assistant, not the actual elected official) in Michigan. I prosecute mostly sex crimes with child victims.


What a stinkin pit to stare into every day. There needs to be an occasional Purge moment where you could go Punisher on those dirtbags. You sir are impressive in your professionalism.
 
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The law we need is: after four felony convictions where appeals are exhausted, you are put to death. Nip this crap in the bud right now.


I agree with everything you said, but tell me how you handle the mistaken convictions.

We had a thread here wihin the last month about two brothers who had spent decades on death row before being completely exonerated and now there was concerned that they were being cheated out of the funds received in damages by their attorney.

We have had threads about rogue police officers, FBI agents too, causing innocents to be convicted. Now we have the prospect of a senior FBI agent with his thumb on the scale against our noble President, even.

How ought we to handle this issue, assuming we wish to avoid executing innocent people?




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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The law we need is: after four felony convictions where appeals are exhausted, you are put to death. Nip this crap in the bud right now.



Only objection I have to this is, it should happen after the 3rd time. No appeals, no 15 years in jail waiting for the needle. Just put them in the little room, strap them down, lock the door and drop the pellets.


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The law we need is: after four felony convictions where appeals are exhausted, you are put to death. Nip this crap in the bud right now.


I agree with everything you said, but tell me how you handle the mistaken convictions.

We had a thread here wihin the last month about two brothers who had spent decades on death row before being completely exonerated and now there was concerned that they were being cheated out of the funds received in damages by their attorney.

We have had threads about rogue police officers, FBI agents too, causing innocents to be convicted. Now we have the prospect of a senior FBI agent with his thumb on the scale against our noble President, even.

How ought we to handle this issue, assuming we wish to avoid executing innocent people?


Certainly that is an issue. That is basically what made me say after the 4th conviction and appeals for those convictions have been exhausted.

Hypothetical:

Conviction 1: you have three drinks at dinner. You get in an accident and kill someone driving home. Let's say the three drinks had nothing to do with the accident, but that doesn't matter, you still get a felony conviction.

Conviction 2: you defend yourself against an attacker with your gun, but somehow you are deemed to have not legally defended yourself and get a felony assault charge.

Conviction 3: you are set up/framed/victim of executive branch abuse/etc and get a felony.

Conviction 4:....you're just the most unlucky SOB on the planet at this point Big Grin

My point is, if you have 4 felony convictions, the problem isn't wrongful convictions.


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You may be familiar with the murder conviction of Debra Milke in Arizona, and the opinion of Judge Kozinski which led to her release after more than 20 years. http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/da...%20-%20corrected.pdf

If this was a one off, I might not worry too much, but it isn’t.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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