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This is just outside Chicago, and I'm sure this will not be covered by the MSM.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...-20180913-story.html

Cicero's top cop praises concealed gun holder who fired at suspect after officer shot

by Madeline Buckley and William LeeContact Reporters
Chicago Tribune
September 14, 2018 10:30AM

Cicero's top cop is praising the actions of a concealed gun holder who opened fire on a suspect who had shot one of the town's officers after a traffic stop on the Stevenson Expressway during evening rush hour Thursday.

“We were lucky enough to have a citizen on the street there who is a conceal carry holder, and he engaged in gunfire with the suspect," Cicero Police Supt. Jerry Chlada Jr. said outside Mount Sinai Hospital, where Officer Luis Duarte was listed in good condition after undergoing surgery for four bullet wounds to the arm, leg and side.

The shootout began around 5:05 p.m. when Cicero police tried to stop a car in the 3900 block of South Cicero Avenue, Chlada said. The driver sped off but the officers boxed in his car on the southbound Cicero exit of the Stevenson. The driver got out and fired several rounds at two officers, then ran north on Cicero and fired at another officer chasing him, Chlada said.

A man with a concealed carry license driving south on Cicero left his car and fired at the suspect, Chlada said. The suspect was hit and was listed in serious condition, police said. It was not clear if the suspect was shot by the conceal carry holder or police.

Duarte, 31, was taken to Mount Sinai, the ambulance escorted by several police cars. Duarte was surrounded by his wife, parents and brothers and sisters as he underwent surgery.

Chicago police Sgt. Rocco Alioto said Chicago police wound handle the investigation and the Illinois State Police would investigate the officer-involved shooting.

Cicero Town President Larry Dominick, speaking to reporters outside Mount Sinai Hospital, thanked the Cicero and Chicago police officers who responded to the shooting, as well as the conceal carry holder. "I want to applaud the citizen, a civilian, who risked his life to help in apprehending this armed suspect," he said.

There have been about 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago, according to a recent Tribune analysis.

The review found that most of the shootings have been in public places in the Chicago area, and half the cases have involved concealed carry holders firing to defend themselves or someone else from robbers. At least 11 people have been killed, including a man with a license who tried to fend off carjackers on the West Side.

More than 265,000 people have licenses to carry concealed guns in Illinois, about 2 percent of the adult population. Cook County, the state’s most populous county, has nearly 74,000 holders of conceal carry licenses.

To get a license, you must be at least 21 and have a valid firearm owners identification card. You can’t have been convicted of physical violence in the last five years, or had more than two DUIs in the past five years or have any outstanding arrest warrants.

You also must undergo 16 hours of training — usually a weekend — and have hit 21 of 30 targets at close range. To renew a license, required every five years, a person must take a refresher course that covers gun skills.


The Tribune’s Liam Ford and Hannah Leone contributed.

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thats actually a very good piece

I'm surprised



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In shocking news, the anti-gunners are upset:

Nonetheless, gun control advocate Colleen Daley, the executive director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence, said things could have gone much worse.

“This situation worked out OK, but what if it hadn’t?” Daley said. “It easily could have gone the other way. To sit here and say that concealed carry is the answer to all of our gun violence problems, or more, that armed people are going to keep us safer, that’s not true.”


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http://www.chicagotribune.com/...-20180914-story.html

Concealed carry licensee called hero for intervening when man fires on police, but 'it could have gone the other way'

by Matthew Walberg, Madeline Buckley , William Lee
Chicago Tribune
September 14, 2018

A licensed concealed carry gun holder who shot at a man suspected of wounding a Cicero police officer on Thursday is being lauded as a hero by town officials.

But proponents of concealed carry say the lines between what is justified and what isn’t often can be blurred when citizens open fire. And a leading gun control advocate cautioned against using the outcome of the incident as proof that concealed carry is the answer to combat violent crime.

The suspect was hit by gunfire after he shot a weapon at police. It wasn’t clear if it was police or the private citizen who shot the suspect at the end of the incident, which began when Cicero police tried to stop a car the suspect was driving. Police said the concealed gun holder was stuck in traffic when he witnessed the police activity, decided to intervene, and got out his car and fired at the man.

David Lombardo is a concealed carry instructor who has trained more than 7,000 people to get their state licenses. Based on media accounts, Lombardo said that since the concealed carry holder wasn’t being shot at, “technically, he should not have been engaged.”

“But,” Lombardo added, “speaking as a former part-time deputy and an ex-military guy, the (citizen) was an angel. He knew what he was doing, he got involved when he didn’t have to and he saved the cop’s life. The bad guy could have hit somebody else too. So who knows how many lives (the citizen) saved?”

Cicero police and town leaders credited the citizen, whose name they did not release, with helping to end the wild shootout during the Thursday evening rush hour.

“We were lucky enough to have a citizen on the street there who is a conceal carry holder, and he engaged in gunfire with the suspect," Cicero police Superintendent Jerry Chlada Jr. said outside Mount Sinai Hospital, where Officer Luis Duarte was listed in good condition after undergoing surgery for four bullet wounds to the arm, leg and side. The suspect also was in good condition, police said.

Cicero Town President Larry Dominick, speaking to reporters outside the hospital, added his thanks to the concealed carry holder.

"I want to applaud the citizen, a civilian, who risked his life to help in apprehending this armed suspect," he said.

Nonetheless, gun control advocate Colleen Daley, the executive director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence, said things could have gone much worse.

“This situation worked out OK, but what if it hadn’t?” Daley said. “It easily could have gone the other way. To sit here and say that concealed carry is the answer to all of our gun violence problems, or more, that armed people are going to keep us safer, that’s not true.”

The shootout began about 5:05 p.m. when Cicero police tried to stop a car in the 3900 block of South Cicero Avenue, Chlada said. The driver sped off, but the officers boxed in his car on the southbound Cicero exit of the Stevenson Expressway. The driver got out and fired several rounds at two officers, then ran north on Cicero Avenue and fired at another officer chasing him, Chlada said.

The citizen with the concealed carry license driving south on Cicero left his car and fired at the suspect, Chlada said. The suspect was hit and was listed in serious condition, police said.

Duarte, 31, was taken to Mount Sinai, the ambulance he was in escorted by several police cars. Duarte was surrounded by his wife, parents, and brothers and sisters as he underwent surgery.

Chicago police Sgt. Rocco Alioto said Chicago police would handle the investigation and Illinois State Police would investigate the officer-involved shooting. The incident started in Cicero but ended in Chicago. No charges had been filed as of Friday afternoon, Chicago police said.

Attorney Michael Johnson, who often represents individuals in concealed carry cases, said the key question for investigators will be what the citizen saw before he intervened.

“It’s great that he’s a hero, but here’s the legal part: You can defend yourself or another,” Johnson said. “So was he defending himself or another person?

“If all he sees is the guy fleeing, he has no right to shoot him,” Johnson said. “The question is, at the time the good Samaritan is shooting him, is he (the offender) a threat to somebody, or was he making a getaway?”

Part of the problem concealed carry holders face is that while the law affords them the right to use deadly force when they reasonably believe they or another person are in danger of great bodily harm or death, no two incidents are alike, Lombardo said. Matters are further complicated by how different parts of the state view the issue of concealed carry.

“I’ve had cases in Cook County and DuPage County and Will (County),” Lombardo said, “and here’s the thing: I don’t mean to be pejorative about Cook County and Chicago, but you can take the exact same case, and you put that in front of a Cook County jury and their mindset is typically, ‘I know you have the concealed carry card, but if you have a gun, you’re probably doing something wrong.’

“Go to Will County,” he continued, “and the mindset is, ‘Well, did you have a reason to use that amount of force?’ ”

But the fact that no one else was injured by the civilian also helps frame the way the incident is viewed.

“If he’d have shot somebody else by accident, you wouldn’t be reading what you’re reading in the paper today,” Lombardo said.

Johnson agreed, saying charges against the citizen were unlikely given that he came to the aid of police officers and no bystanders were injured as a result of his actions.

“Ergo, he’s a superhero,” Johnson said.

There have been about 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago, according to a recent Tribune analysis.

The review found that most of the shootings have been in public places in the Chicago area, and half the cases have involved concealed carry holders firing to defend themselves or someone else from robbers. At least 11 people have been killed, including a man with a license who tried to fend off carjackers on the West Side.

More than 265,000 people have licenses to carry concealed guns in Illinois, about 2 percent of the adult population. Cook County, the state’s most populous county, has nearly 74,000 holders of concealed carry licenses.

To get a license, you must be at least 21 and have a valid firearm owner’s identification card. You can’t have been convicted of physical violence in the last five years, or had more than two DUIs in the past five years or have any outstanding arrest warrants.

You also must undergo 16 hours of training — usually a weekend — and have hit 21 of 30 targets at close range. To renew a license, required every five years, a person must take a refresher course that covers gun skills.


The Tribune’s Katherine Rosenberg-Douglas, Liam Ford and Hannah Leone contributed.

mwalberg@chicagotribune.com

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“This situation worked out OK, but what if it hadn’t?”

You twat, what if the CC Holder did nothing and the Officer was killed?
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