To those in NorCal about to lose power for days, stay safe
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Originally posted by HRK: I thought all those Cali Homes were supposed to be off the grid and solar powered so it shouldn't matter.....
Ours is, and it doesn’t as far as the house. The front gate, the barn, and the wells are powerered by PG&E. There is enough water in the tank to irrigate the orchard for a week or so, or to keep the house in water for a year or so, but it would get annoying after a while.
The problem is less about the wire and more about not keeping proper vegetative clearance. I suspect this is largely due to tree huggers and outfits like the Sierra Club. There may be some laziness/cheapness/poor prioritization, but I’d guess it has more to do with CA being a place where people get there panties in a bunch when you cut trees.
SCE has caused fires multiple times over the years and managed to escape liability in court. It sounds like they may not this time over the Ojai, Santa Paula, Ventura, Fillmore, Santa Barbara fire almost two years ago. They have better insurance coverage than PG&E though, so they may not have to go BK.
It is a little challenging as PG&E was responsible for the Camp fire that destroyed the town of Paradise and killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 80 people. It doesn’t make sense to destroy the company though as that would leave millions of people out of power. Perhaps in China they might execute some executives, but we don’t do that sort of thing here. Besides, if they really did try to clear appropriately around the lines and were stopped/prevented by regulators or envirowhacko lawsuits, what should they have done?
It may be that this is the new normal. If you won’t let us clear around the lines and you still want to hold us responsible for any resultant fires, we’ll de-energize any at risk lines to avoid creating fires. Unfortunately, due to the way the infrastructure is built and where the shut offs are, we may have to shutdown larger areas to de-energize the affected areas. Oh well...
October 09, 2019, 02:56 PM
ugeesta
A workmate of mine has two kids: one went to school today and one stayed home. The kid who went to school had power. The other kids school did not..... the parents didn’t get notice that’s the one school would not have power till after dinner last night. What a clusterfuck.
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October 09, 2019, 03:08 PM
ElToro
SF chronicle reports that laying underground wire costs $1.16mm per mile, in cities like San Jose that is closer to $4.6mm per mile. Overhead lines cost $448k per mile.
October 09, 2019, 03:17 PM
oddball
One of many tweets
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October 09, 2019, 03:39 PM
HRK
It sure makes you want to have solar and a wall, then again $50 K for a modest setup is a lot of green to invest just so you can avoid a power bill, (which you still have you just pay the solar guys)
Good luck, I remember all the water shortages out there, don't shower, use towels over and over, don't flush number 1.....
October 09, 2019, 03:50 PM
kkina
Phase 2 now delayed until 11 pm (due to the high winds not yet occurring).This message has been edited. Last edited by: kkina,
California - doing our best to rival Mumbai and Calcutta.
P229
October 09, 2019, 06:55 PM
erj_pilot
^^^^^ I'll give 'em just a LITTLE latitude. They're not THIS bad...yet.
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October 09, 2019, 07:09 PM
Jimineer
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Originally posted by M-11: What could possibly go wrong...?
Portable generators started fires last time they did this, so I heard.
October 09, 2019, 07:16 PM
corsair
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Originally posted by Jimineer:
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Originally posted by M-11: What could possibly go wrong...?
Portable generators started fires last time they did this, so I heard.
? Which fire?
The problem with generators is most people have no idea how to use them or, prioritize. Home Depot, Lowe's, Ace Hardware, WalMart, Costco.. they're all sold-out. If anything, plug-in your refrigerator. Some people have tried to jury-rig their gen to their outside circuit panel...yeah, disaster.
Got the alert, power shut-down at midnight...we'll see how long this one lasts. The news of course is getting people all spun-up, talking about having supplies for at least 5-days.
I understand SCE is doing the same while SDG&E is being more surgical about their shut-downs.
THanks for the link but how do you figure if your area will be blacked out?
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October 09, 2019, 10:30 PM
PowerSurge
What a clusterfuck. I feel for you guys that can’t gtfo of Cali.
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October 09, 2019, 10:32 PM
kkina
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THanks for the link but how do you figure if your area will be blacked out?
This map works pretty well, just enter your address.
Originally posted by M-11: What could possibly go wrong...?
Portable generators started fires last time they did this, so I heard.
? Which fire?
The problem with generators is most people have no idea how to use them or, prioritize. Home Depot, Lowe's, Ace Hardware, WalMart, Costco.. they're all sold-out. If anything, plug-in your refrigerator. Some people have tried to jury-rig their gen to their outside circuit panel...yeah, disaster.
Recently (the last time PGE shut off power) there were 3 fires in Nevada County caused by generators according to a resident in that locale. I’m not saying they were major fires, but they all start small. I have no other info. This is from the Blancolirio YouTube channel, Juan Browne. He is a 777 first officer and Often reports on the fire potential and conditions of the forest management in wackyland, among other things.
October 09, 2019, 10:40 PM
Orguss
If you're located in a purple bubble, you're without power.
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October 10, 2019, 01:06 AM
berto
Power just went out. I guess it’s off to bed for me. No nose hose tonight. Maybe I’ll dream of a way to somehow cut branches and trees and underbrush...
October 10, 2019, 05:03 AM
2000Z-71
So how are all those liberal Californians going to charge their earth saving Teslas?
My daughter can deflate your daughter's soccer ball.
