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Florida passed a 15$ dollar minimum wage and it got me thinking. Ive discussed this with friends and family and while i dont have a conclusion it keeps jumping out at me. So please just use these points as a discussion starter.

Ive been in Korea for one year, korea has a large delivered food culture and its cheap, we have ordered delivery over 100 times. During that time it has NEVER been wrong, down to the condiments. So what does that mean? Are the people here more proud making 7-10$ an hour? Will 15$ an hour prevent mistakes? I think yes and no respectively.

Bottom line is it pisses me off. Im mad that people here dont ask for more than their current position in life deserves. Futhermore i have never heard a Korean ask for more of this or more of that when ordering food. They pay for an item and accept it, there is no, "can a get a little more of this topping".

I cant form a complete argument from this observation but it just keeps eating at me how silly we are.

What are yalls thoughts?

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I think the basis is largely cultural in Japan and Korea that manifests in this type of behavior. That being said, Japan has okawari. And it’s not uncommon in Korea to ask for more side dishes. When have you ever had enough takuan when ordering jajangmein? Smile

Service industries here vs Japan/Korea are significantly different. But give them a few more generations - they’ll “catch up” to us here.




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I think the basis is largely cultural in Japan and Korea that manifests in this type of behavior. That being said, Japan has okawari. And it’s not uncommon in Korea to ask for more side dishes. When have you ever had enough takuan when ordering jajangmein? Smile

Service industries here vs Japan/Korea are significantly different. But give them a few more generations - they’ll “catch up” to us here.


That is a good point. I was more leaning towards during preparation. As in, " can you add a little more of that". But you are correct that Banchan is unlimited, and as such is generally refilled without request.

Do you truly think that east asian cultures will fall to our level of standard and pride in a few generations? Cannot say I disagree but it is an interesting argument.





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The whole idea of the minimum wage is patently ridiculous. The market should be free to determine what wages are.

My question is why $15 an hour? Why not $20, or $30? My goodness, why not $100 an hour? I know I'm worth it!

Seriously, why not have a minimum transportation requirement? We all deserve at least a Toyota Corolla to drive around, right?

Does anyone live in an area where the $15 minimum wage has taken effect? What were the repercussions?

When September comes around and the first mimimum wage hike takes effect I will have already alerted my customers about the odd price increase explaining exactly why and how much prices are going up. I did the same thing with "Obummercare".


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Does anyone live in an area where the $15 minimum wage has taken effect? What were the repercussions?

The Seattle area and some restaurants closed.


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When I managed a Distribution Center in Washington, I was interviewing a woman for a clerical position. It started at $14/hour. She had just left her job in Federal Way at a hotel near the airport. The $15 minimum wage had just taken effect for that area.

She said the plus was an extra $2 an hour. How could anyone be displeased with that, until you see the ramifications.

She said the negatives were: No more employer paid parking. She had to pay like everyone else. No more free employee meal. She now had to pack or pay for lunch. Medical benefits now had a monthly cost, where prior to the wage increase, her employer covered the whole cost of medical. Because of this, she could not afford to keep her medical coverage and it was no longer worth the commute for the job.

She stated very clearly that things were better, and at the end of the month her bank account had more in it, when she made $13/hour, plus she had free healthcare.
After the wage increase, the cost of parking and lunch cancelled out the wage increase, and she now doesn’t have healthcare.

I felt bad for the lady. She was really nice, and while qualified, I hired someone who was even more qualified.



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She said the plus was an extra $2 an hour. How could anyone be displeased with that, until you see the ramifications.

Beancooker's story does a nice job illustrating the truth of the matter. Employers who treat their employees well will attract and retain good employees. Until government steps in to "help the little guy". The socialist do-gooder politicians fuck up everything they touch.



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My question is why $15 an hour? Why not $20, or $30? My goodness, why not $100 an hour? I know I'm worth it!


Like the 10 round mag capacity (and most leftist bullshit) I think it’s based on nothing. Nobody did crime studies and found that 11 rounds is far too deadly but 10 is safe. And as NY has shown us, it’s just a starting point as they now have a 7 round limit.

$15 and hour is the beginning. Give it a few more elections and it will be $20.




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Some people take pride in their work.

Some people aren't worth $15 an hour.




 
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Konata is right on catching up. There is a significant lag between the US and modern Asian countries. I've seen this in Taiwan over the last 14 years. Things that I had unavailable back then, are now popular.


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Some people take pride in their work.

Some people aren't worth $15 an hour.


And some people are not worth $80,000 a year, $1 million per year. .

Incompetence has nothing to do with salary or money. Unfortunately, in this country, especially what 2020 revealed to us, honest, competent, hard work ethic is basically a political issue, with sides perfectly defined.



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Service industries here vs Japan/Korea are significantly different. But give them a few more generations - they’ll “catch up” to us here.

I think to a point. The cultures in both countries are largely homogeneous, societal pressures and morays are the guardrails maintaining order and social 'harmony'. Not saying disagreements don't happen but, they don't have the emotional and legislative meltdowns that we see here in the service sector, particularly when there's cultural and racial points of friction.

The person/business providing the service, they're expected to execute competently and professionally; on the consumer side, you're expected to appreciate the preparation of a food dish or, even a item that required some servicing, that person is a craftsman, a professional at their trade. To ask for some change or, alteration is regarded as an insult to their hard work and revealing that you don't know what you're expecting. Here in this country, there's a prevailing attitude of entitlement with a tinge of servitude. People going off on tirades at a fast-food places as an example, complaining they've got to pay for a side of ranch...for a $2 burger.
 
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"I deserve more money, look how much those other guys make."

Yeah, sure. I and my coworkers had been in the business for twenty to thirty years at that point on the counter, he was hired in as a parts delivery driver six months before after getting the boot from our body shop as a lot boy.

The thing that bothered me the most was how the company and management coddled him. We (countermen) were supposed to make allowances for him due to his upbringing, this was told to us by our manager's manager.

Things finally came to a boil one day. Let's just say at the end of the day I was still there, "wonder boy" was gone.


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What are y'alls thoughts?


The minimum wage is largely a political issue not an economic one.
It is for the benefit of those who "grant" this in the terms of votes and support vs any economic effect.
In the long run the businesses will adjust and only hurts those it is designed to help.
 
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Florida passed a 15$ dollar minimum wage


Just to be clear, FL legislature did not impose the $15 minimum wage, special interest groups founded pac's and got enough signatures to get a constitutional amendment on the ballot.

Stupidly enough 60.82% of those voting selected Yes on this amendment. 60% is the minimum required to pass.

This was put in the constitution by special interests who use the ability to amend the constitution by vote ie spending money, to change the laws.

https://ballotpedia.org/Florid...age_Initiative_(2020)

I've asked my State Congress Critter to please pass an amendment to the State constitution to stop the ability to do this. Now more than ever it's been abused by special interests to change the constitution.

This year there was a proposed amendment to ban all semi automatic firearms in the state, we were just lucky it didn't get enough signatures to make the ballot. Due to the large number of non gun owners, and people not familiar with firearms we could easily have our gun rights hampered by a well funded left wing group.



 
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What if the minimum wage was done away with-then productivity would drive the wage...

The employee could negotiate his wage due to his output



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What if the minimum wage was done away with-then productivity would drive the wage...

The employee could negotiate his wage due to his output


You can negotiate your wage now, the min wage doesn't have anything to do with that.

On your first point about productivity (and supply and demand of workers) driving a wage should be true in many cases.

What all those neocons miss is that forced wages on the low end inhibit the training/experience process of business and really life for that matter.

True, some safeguards need to be in effect in some cases.
We don't need child-labor camps of China, etc.

EVEN kids need this, what's wrong with letting a 12 year old kid sweep the floor for half of todays minimum wage?
When I was a kid we delivered papers, collected door to door from those customers for payment _ it was a great lesson in business.
You move on and up as is the case in our capitalistic society.

When you force the wages for political reasons you disrupt this process.
 
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I think our culture has allowed an entitlement mindset overcome a work ethic mindset. I deserve this vs what can I do to earn this. I don't know but I would speculate that "poor" people in most countries don't have smart phones. That's not the case in the USA.


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The idea that minimum wage is enough to raise a family is a root cause.
Minimum wage is the first job you get when you are 16. Not the way to raise and support a family. Just to earn pocket money and get to the next level.
You develop more job skills from this base and then get paid more. Rinse, wash, repeat, until you get to where you need to be. Hopefully continue, but that's the idea.
All the present version will do is be a driver of inflation, which hurts the low end of the wage scale the hardest.


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