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Seeing Pelosi, Waters, Schiff and Nadler

Remember, there's a flip side to that which we'll see over and over between now and the next election. Pelosi has to line up a majority for every vote. Every one of those Congressweasels has to answer to the voters back home, build their career in politics, etc. There may be deals to be struck that will allow the Reps in the House (and the White House!) to hijack just enough Dems to put together working majorities on a vote-by-vote basis.

Come to think of it, Pelosi's been getting more and more serious challenges for the Leader position over the years. Let's see how this negotiating session goes for her. Just remember, if it's easy for her, that may mean that plenty of Dems are willing to let her have the title but may still be so uncommitted to her and her agenda that they're more, rather than less, likely to cut deals across the aisle.

The game board is set, let the play begin.




Yes, I'm sure hoping for the best. The Dems only have a majority of approximately seven seats in the house. Still, this continuing march to the left is befuddling and unnerving, and the new party leadership is very representative of this trend. Additionally the lack of intelligence and principles in this bunch is breathtaking. Combined with the media we're in for a pretty nauseating couple of years. Frown
 
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Honestly, I'm more worried about my local / state choices than the national scene.

My state (OR) is super-majority Dems across the board with lots of gun control bills scheduled for the next session. Frown


Same here. Those of us just North of you got our "freedom by committee" enema last night. Everything semi-auto is now classified as an assault weapon, and that's just where the fun starts.
 
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The Dems only have a majority of approximately seven seats in the house.

I don't think that enough of a margin as to embolden them to try to impeach Trump. You'll get a few loudmouths squawking, but they'll just be thrashing around like the body of a snake after its head was cut off.
 
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Honestly, I'm more worried about my local / state choices than the national scene.

My state (OR) is super-majority Dems across the board with lots of gun control bills scheduled for the next session. Frown


Im in the same boat. That Commie Cuomo has promised more gun laws if he was elected. NY is waiting for the hammer to fall in January. The RINOS we had in Albany never had a set of... Now there’s a super majority off Democraps coming in January.
 
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Honestly, I'm more worried about my local / state choices than the national scene.

My state (OR) is super-majority Dems across the board with lots of gun control bills scheduled for the next session. Frown


Im in the same boat. That Commie Cuomo has promised more gun laws if he was elected. NY is waiting for the hammer to fall in January. The RINOS we had in Albany never had a set of... Now there’s a super majority off Democraps coming in January.


Same for CT. Just got another D to replace Gov Mao-lloy. Lost our previously tied Senate, now D majority. and ~+30 in our CT house. Way anti-gun D AG. More taxes and gun laws coming, I'm sure. Hoping RBG shuffles off, we get another SCOTUS justice, and a good 2A case works it way up to line to end the state's ability to restrict (or further restrict) our 2A rights.



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His “support” for Pelosi to be the next Speaker of House is a “head fake”. He wants her in as she is the perfect foil (fool?) for him to play off against for the next couple of years. The younger Socialist Dems are chomping at the bit and would be more than happy for the “Old Dinosaurs” to retire or be “recalled by God” so they can take over.

The script writes itself for Trump: “I’m working to keep our economy going and the Democrats want to ‘obstruct, obstruct, obstruct’. They want to investigate nonsense and they’re keeping you from earning more money because they don’t want to be part of the team that’s rebuilding our great country. They’re total losers with no plan—none.”

With the Senate firmly in Rep hands, he’ll be able to get his various Cabinet and Court nominations through with minimal destruction and disruption. Hopefully RBG will soon no longer be on the bench.


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On the national level, the rest of the country is going to see how far off the rocker the Dems are. The House is the more rambunctious of the two chambers and based upon all the rhetoric we've heard, the Dems are there to simply obstruct, investigate and attempt to repeal anything and everything that comes from the White House. The best outcome we can see, is they make such asses of themselves with all their impeachment-talk that those fence-sitters who did vote for them, will regret their decision and come back to the GOP for some level-headedness. It's up to the GOP membership to speak with clarity and be the adults in the room as the next 24-months are going to be bonkers.

Local-level...yup, more California. Fucking Newsome is the governor, there was a chance that Cox could get in but, its now over with. The CA Gov is largely a neutered position however as the state legislature has reduced it's power however, with both being the same political party, means he can grandstand and led with whatever grandiose ideas he has in mind. Amazing that Southern Californian's bought what he was selling... Roll Eyes Prop-6 I'm shaking my head that it passed, that was the repelling of the gas tax...gas is already taxed for highway maintenance. Mad
 
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Final take on this whole mess...We did ok. Given the media has bashed this president, his administration, the Repubs, and many of us 24/7 over the past two years, I'd say we fared about as well as we could have. The Dem's own the house, but only the corrupt media would claim it came via a wave. Their majority will be small and likely splintered, so herding those cats may prove next to impossible. And who will be house speaker? If its Pelosi, 2020 should be a landslide for Repubs. The Repub's now own an even larger senate majority, a majority that can continue to confirm judges and prep for a replacement of RBG. The Dem's have nothing more than a larger platform from which to complain and stir the pot. I'd encourage them to go full on retard for the next two years.

And yes, the coastal states I'm sad to say are pretty much doomed at this point. California has been a laughing stock/cautionary tale for years, but it has now decided to mash the gas and fly down the bowl. Oregon, New York, Connecticut and others have apparently opted to join them in their race to the bottom. Although sad, people get the government they asked for, and the new majorities in the aforementioned states will greatly encroach on the freedoms of their residents, while running their states into the ground.


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Was it great for us? No, but only 4 times in history has a party / Pres held onto both House & Senate in the mid-terms. Considering the forces opposing the Pres, I still see it as a victory holding the Senate and limiting the damage in the house. Hopefully the Left will feel emboldened and badly overstep in the next 2 years.


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Remember, there's a flip side to that which we'll see over and over between now and the next election. Pelosi has to line up a majority for every vote. Every one of those Congressweasels has to answer to the voters back home, build their career in politics, etc. There may be deals to be struck that will allow the Reps in the House (and the White House!) to hijack just enough Dems to put together working majorities on a vote-by-vote basis.


If you have a Dem as representative, make sure you hit them with a letter or email for EVERY controversial vote. Get them gun shy.

Never quit; never give up. Email, call, write, argue and fight until it hurts and then fight some more. I will not give up my freedom, my hard earned property, or my country to those people.

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While I'm greatly disappointed we aren't celebrating a red wave I think it's highly optimistic to think it would have made a big difference over the next two years. The pessimistic side of me says there will be business as usual in DC. Try sorting out one side from the other.


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Nevada took a lot of bad hits, last night. The GDC will be very much emboldened.
I see gun bans and state income taxes coming, and soon.

Only 13 more years until I can relocate, again.

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I was seriously fearing a worse outcome than this - holding the Senate was crucial, as much as losing the House sucks. IMO this was their big moment - since Trump was elected the outrage and 'acting-out' has been turned up to 10, they spent a shit-ton of money and pushed out every current and has-been H'wood star/startlet and rockers to try to encourage people to get out to vote the 'D'. Media has been over-the-top anti-Trump with their lies and rhetoric, outrageous behavior and outlandish claims. I'm hopeful that during the 2020 cycle the economy will still be booming and other positives will be seen that will encourage folks to get out en masse to vote for 'R''s in 2020, voting with their wallets and continued good times for America and her employment, industries, Wall Street, etc. In my lifetime when times are good - see Ronald Reagan - people will get off their asses to get out and vote to keep the good times rollin'.

This was their big shot to undo the last two years and I don't think they got the outcome they were hoping/planning for. Wink

Sorry to hear about CA, OR, CT, et al. Roll Eyes


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The largest bummer for me is losing Gov Walker in WI. I guess many don’t like the red hot economy and the balanced budget in the State.

IL will be fun to watch.

Evers in WI has to deal with a Republican majority in both State houses. He ran on fixing roads and more $$ for schools, not much else. He’s a dud, so are the voters that supported him. I’ll carry on as I always do.
 
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Heard this the other day which tempers the democrats "wave".

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As A General Rule, The President’s Party Loses Seats In The Midterms

As stated in PolitiFact, since the Roosevelt era, the President’s Party has only gained seats in the House and Senate during the midterm elections twice — in 1934 and 2002. Those gains were relatively meager, with Bush II gaining 8 seats in the House and 2 seats in the Senate in 2002, and FDR gaining 9 seats in the House and 9 seats in the Senate in 1934. Bush II’s 2002 mid-term election stands out as a particular anomaly, since the country was still emotionally recovering from 9/11, and the Republican Party was able to capitalize and brand the party as synonymous with patriotism. Clinton’s 1998 midterms also warrant a look, as Democrats gained 5 seats in the House while losing none in the Senate. But excluding the midterm election following 9/11, we’re looking at the President’s party gaining seats in both chambers only once since Roosevelt began the modern era of the Presidency. Midterm losses are far more common and tend to be massive, especially in the House. For instance, Roosevelt lost 71 seats in the House in the 1938 midterms, which is the biggest loss of House seats since. Roosevelt lost 55 House seats in 1942. Eisenhower lost 48 House seats in 1958. Lyndon B. Johnson lost 47 House seats in 1966. Bush II ended up losing 30 House seats in 2006, after escaping midterm losses directly after 9/11. Midterm losses aren’t just common, they are the rule. All Presidents since Roosevelt who have served two terms have had at least one midterm election where they lost seats in the House and Senate. Johnson essentially served Kennedy’s second term, and he lost seats in both the House and Senate in 1966. Ford did the same for Nixon, and he lost seats in the House and Senate in 1974. Carter and Bush I only served single terms, and they also both lost seats in the House and Senate in 1978 and 1990, respectively.


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The largest bummer for me is losing Gov Walker in WI. I guess many don’t like the red hot economy and the balanced budget in the State.

IL will be fun to watch.

Evers in WI has to deal with a Republican majority in both State houses. He ran on fixing roads and more $$ for schools, not much else. He’s a dud, so are the voters that supported him. I’ll carry on as I always do.


Losing Walker is pretty mind-boggling. Too much winning going on in the state for the past decade apparently.

Hopefully with the control in the house, Evers won’t get his will to cram a bunch of huge taxes down our throats.

His big ad was that Walker took all the money away from education. Mainly it was from the BS teacher’s union which was so padded it was like a country club. And the education rankings improved in that time.

Also was surprised that the senate race wasn’t even close.

Dane and Milwaukee counties are so out of whack with reality.



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On the Republican side, I do not believe the results of this election were a mandate on the President. The root cause, for me, has to do with consistency and unity.

When opportunities came to vote on important issues, the Republican Congress consistently failed to do many of the things they promised. The President tried to push his agenda, but the House often blocked it. The President was hindered at times as if he were working with the Democratic leaders of a Democratically controlled Congress.

At the same time, the Democratic Congress kept their base angry by constantly pointing out perceived injustices done by the President and the Republican controlled Congress.

When election day came, some of the Republican base remembered the broken promises and lost their motivation. Democrats voted as a unified, motivated base.

I saw this in my own House district UT-4. The President mentioned it in comments today.

The Republican Senate had the advantage of their performance in the most recent Supreme Count nomination. With a few exceptions, they unified when things were difficult and got it done. This resulted in a high level of motivation and unity within the party behind the Republican candidates for Senate.

Want to win? Be determined to do what you promised, especially when it is difficult, and unify as a party.
 
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Minnesota continues to go full retard, but we'll be a sanctuary state with this batch.


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I see the midterms as a big reaosn for optimism. We lost the House, sure, but the GOP losses in the House were below average for a president's first midterm elections. The Dems will hold a slim majority but the GOP picked up seats to extend their majority in the Senate. When you consider the constant drumbeat of negative stories from the press and Hollywood since Trump took office - and the 6-8% difference they make in the vote according to some studies, I would say the GOP showing in the midterms was exceptionally strong. Other than Ocasio-Cortez, who was assured victory, every single far left candidate that the Dems put up lost their election. Every single one of them. People do not want socialism or radical left policies.

Also, the Dems did not run on any particular set of policies. Pelosi kept saying the election was about healthcare, but I never heard a single word about healthcare in any of the races around here. The Dems were really running 100% on Trump hatred.

Now without the Sneate and White House, the Dems will have no way to enact any legislation. All they can do is block Trump's agenda, which they will. No wall, no more tax cuts, etc. I don't think that's a winning strategy going forward.

And the more they do their crazy investigations to satisfy their rabid base, the loonier they will look. And if they try to impeach Trump, that will be a gift from the heavens.

All in all , I think it was a good night for the GOP and Trump. It bodes very well for 2020 if the economy can stay strong.
 
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The House has passed 200 bills and sent to the senate. It will keep things going for a while. Not to mention they can push some though before January. There is no way congress can impeach with the senate as the judge..


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