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So, who does Adm. Paul Zukunft think he is? Above the orders of the Commander-in-Chief?

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Commandant: 'I Will Not Break Faith' With Transgender Coast Guardsmen

[Go to URL to view photo] Adm. Paul F. Zukunft (U.S. Coast Guard photo by Petty Officer 2nd Class Patrick Kelley)
Military.com | 1 Aug 2017 | by Hope Hodge Seck

As military services await guidance following President Donald Trump's announcement last week via Twitter of a ban on transgender service members, the commandant of the Coast Guard is speaking out, saying he has no intention of leaving transgender Coast Guardsmen out in the cold.

Speaking on the topic for the first time at the Center for Strategic and International Studies on Tuesday morning, Adm. Paul Zukunft said his first action upon becoming aware of Trump's tweets was to have his office reach out to all 13 members of the Coast Guard who have self-identified as transgender.

"I reached out personally to Lt. Taylor Miller, who was featured on the cover of The Washington Post last week," Zukunft said. "If you read that story, Taylor's family has disowned her. Her family is the United States Coast Guard. And I told Taylor, 'I will not turn my back. We have made an investment in you, and you have made an investment in the Coast Guard, and I will not break faith.' "

Miller, 27, is reportedly the first openly transitioning member of the Coast Guard, a process she began in 2016 after the Pentagon removed its standing ban on openly transgender service members and then-Defense Secretary Ash Carter ordered all services to draft policies to allow for transgender recruits and transgender medical care within the military.

The Coast Guard is the only military service to fall under the Department of Homeland Security, rather than the Department of Defense. But how Trump's tweeted ban will affect the service is just as unclear as with any of the others.

In a series of three tweets July 26, Trump said that "the United States Government will not accept or allow transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail."

To date, no further guidance has been provided.

The Palm Center, a San Francisco-based nonprofit that promotes the study of gay and transgender people in the armed forces, on Tuesday released a letter signed by 56 retired generals and admirals who oppose Trump's transgender ban.

The document also notes that two other four-stars and former chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff -- retired Army Gen. Martin Dempsey and retired Navy Adm. Mike Mullen -- have publicly supported transgender service members.

"Transgender troops have been serving honorably and openly for the past year, and have been widely praised by commanders," the letter states. "Eighteen foreign nations, including the UK and Israel, allow transgender troops to serve, and none has reported any detriment to readiness."

The Family Research Council, a Christian public policy ministry in Washington D.C., has praised Trump's decision to rescind the Obama-era policy.

"As our nation faces serious national security threats, our troops shouldn’t be forced to endure hours of transgender 'sensitivity' classes and politically-correct distractions like this one," the group's president, Tony Perkins, a Marine veteran, said in a statement last week after the president's announcement.

After contacting his transgender troops, Zukunft said he reached out to then-DHS Secretary John Kelly, who was sworn in as White House Chief of Staff on Monday as part of a series of administration shake-ups. Kelly reached out to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Zukunft said.

"We stood up a tiger team of our JAG officers," Zukunft said.

The next steps remain to be seen, as does how Coast Guard leadership plans to shield its troops in the face of an administration mandate.

Neither Kelly nor Mattis have publicly offered insights into how Trump's tweets will apply to the military. But Zukunft's remarks send a clear message to transgender Coast Guardsmen in uniform, whether or not they are serving openly.

"That is the commitment to our people right now," Zukunft said. "Very small numbers, but all of them are doing meaningful Coast Guard work today."

-- Hope Hodge Seck can be reached at hope.seck@military.com. Follow her on Twitter at @HopeSeck.


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Yawn... Ridiculous rhetoric makes me sleepy.

Unfortunately, this is not the last of this we're going to hear about. This mental illness is on the rise and will continue to plague the populace with it's pernicious propaganda and sycophantic support.

I still don't understand how you can change a woman's No-No place into a man's Naughty Bits. Some mysteries should be left mysteries.

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Can you spell "Relieved of Duty?"
 
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He might say he will not let his mental defects out in the cold but his ass sure will be.
 
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It's a FUCKING MENTAL DISORDER Admiral....

Would you allow Hannibal Lechter drive the boat? No, the fuck you wouldn't. You'd have the MAA put him in chains and carry his mental ass to the Psych ward at the Navy Hospital.

More fucking spineless PC BULLSHIT.

So glad I retired when I did.

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Now don't get me wrong, I don't hate gays, hell my biggest kid is gay, but these transfuckedupmentalidiots are a WHOLE other creature and are really mental.

Really.

I don't care what you do in the bedroom, as long everyone in the room is down with it. But do us all a favor and keep it quiet.

I don't care what you religion is, just don't try and shove it down my throat.

Same way with you politics....

But these fucking PC idiots are gonna destroy our way of life....

FUCK- I think my BP is getting higher

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Great way to cap your career, you pandering imbecile.
 
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This guy is prepping to launch an after service career in progressive politics.


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Great way to cap your career, you pandering imbecile.


Indeed. Were I this guy's boss, he would already be wondering what happened to his job, retirement and benefits.

Can they court martial members of the coast guard?

Dishonorable discharge seems to be about right. Set the example and it is not likely such idiocy will crop up again.


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This guy is prepping to launch an after service career in progressive politics.

Darn, you just maybe right.
Wonder if this Commandant is planning on running for office.



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Sorry y'all...no source, but this makes sense.

Best response I've seen in regards to the the negative feedback about transgenders being banned again from the military...

From Sgt. Robert Brown US Army

Nobody has a "right" to serve in the Military. Nobody.

What makes people think the Military is an equal opportunity employer? Very far from it.

The Military uses prejudice regularly and consistently to deny citizens from joining for being too old or too young, too fat or too skinny, too tall or too short.

Citizens are denied for having flat feet, or for missing or additional fingers. Poor eyesight will disqualify you, as well as bad teeth. Malnourished? Drug addiction? Bad back? Criminal history? Low IQ? Anxiety? Phobias? Hearing damage? Six arms? Hear voices in your head? Self-identify as a Unicorn? Need a special access ramp for your wheelchair? Can't run the required course in the required time? Can't do the required number of pushups?

Not really a "morning person" and refuse to get out of bed before noon?

All can be reasons for denial.

The Military has one job. War. Anything else is a distraction and a liability.

Did someone just scream "That isn't Fair"? War is VERY unfair, there are no exceptions made for being special or challenged or socially wonderful.

YOU change yourself to meet Military standards. Not the other way around.

I say again: You don't change the Military... you must change yourself.

The Military doesn't need to accomodate anyone with special issues. The Military needs to Win Wars.

If any of your personal issues are a liability that detract from readiness or lethality... Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors. Who's next in line?



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Why does he still have a job?

I'm serious, why has he not been relieved?



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Can they court martial members of the coast guard?


Yes, the Uniformed Code of Military Justice applies just like the other military services. I'm standing by to see what happens when actual orders are given to the services to reverse the Obama policy and what happens to any Flag or General Officers who fail to obey the orders of the Commander in Chief. I doubt any of them will be in such open defiance once a real order is given. It's my understanding that all of the military services are awaiting official implementation guidance right now and everyone is in limbo. I see the Tweet as more of a heads up of what's to come than an actionable order that takes effect immediately.

He may just be fired before we get to that point.



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Can they court martial members of the coast guard?



Well, they are part of the armed forces and under UCMJ, so yeah.


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What is the difference in what he is saying versus a service commander saying:

"I don't think North Korea is a big problem - we've invested too much in our soldiers/sailors to risk them in North Korea, I will not send my people there."

Would that be tolerated in a commander? It shouldn't be - the guy needs to be gone and out of uniform before the sun goes down today.



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Great post by era_pilot (above). Not going to quote the whole post, you can scroll up and read it, but this line sums it up:
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YOU change yourself to meet Military standards. Not the other way around.



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40 years of service. No one is going to court martial. The WORST that can happen is a big fat retirement.
 
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40 years of service. No one is going to court martial. The WORST that can happen is a big fat retirement.


You're probably correct, but insubordination should be punished whether you've served for 40 years or 40 minutes.



I found what you said riveting.
 
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40 years of service. No one is going to court martial. The WORST that can happen is a big fat retirement.


I would make every effort to make as strong an example as possible.




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I don't care what you do in the bedroom, as long everyone in the room is down with it. But do us all a favor and keep it quiet.

I don't care what you religion is, just don't try and shove it down my throat.

My sentiments exactly.

I'm tired of hearing about this BS too.
When a very small percentage of population try to force their ideology down the throats of the majority, they're going to piss people off.

I've got to the point where I just am not interested in listening to another word of their crap.
 
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