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Recall this thread from a week or so ago: LINK1 I came across this article in today's edition of the Idaho State Journal, a small regional daily newspaper serving SE Idaho: LINK2
These are two current news examples of churches claiming on-site "sanctuary" for illegals. Is this a real legal thing? Or is it just bullshit? Thanks, Sap | ||
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Bullshit, warrant or probable cause is enough to enter a church or any other place and make an arrest. Its purely a traditional thing to avoid making arrests to those seeking sanctuary for non violent crimes in a church. "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them." - John Wayne in "The Shootist" | |||
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Since most churches (Mormon Temples excepted) are public places, I don't think even warrants would be needed. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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Is sanctuary a real legal position? Not really, we could make a harboring case out of it. Lawyers can make it sound like a real thing though. One of those cases where depending on where it is filed say Kalifornistan vs. Texas would determine the outcome. Also you don't really want to be kicking in the doors of a church just to get an illegal. In the long run it would probably do more bad for the department as far, as publicity goes, than just trying to get them later when they leave the building for whatever reason. As a Fed LEO (down here in South Texas), if I'm chasing illegal aliens and I see that they go into a school or church, I can follow them and arrest them. Now say it's a quiet day and there is nothing going on out in the brush as far as tracking and chasing illegals, the powers that be don't want you to just go by the local school or church and start doing immigration checks on all the folks inside. It would look bad also. | |||
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Same Crap has been going on in Highland Park, NJ, shielding an Indonesian Christian. He was here for 20 years and never bothered to to the legal thing. Former Goldman Sachs, Obama serving governor went to greet him on one of his first days in office. Murphy intend. to set up a sanctuary state. The illegal has a whole family and the kids are in high schools/college on the taxpayers dime let alone their healthcare. His excuse was he didn't have the money to do thing legally... I Didn't have the money to buy a Ferrari, but maybe I can just take it? | |||
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What's that? Churches are private property. | |||
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It is an ICE policy to not pursue enforcement actions in "sensitive" locations, including churches. There is no legal prohibition on them doing so. https://www.ice.gov/ero/enforcement/sensitive-loc | |||
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Private property that's open to the public. Same as a grocery store, walmart, etc. Sic Semper Tyrannis If you beat your swords into plowshares, you will become farmers for those who didn't! Political Correctness is fascism pretending to be Manners-George Carlin | |||
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| W07VH5 |
I don't want to assume you're saying something you're not. Does the police not have to have a warrant to search a church or arrest someone in a church? As far as I know any person or group can be barred or asked to leave any church for any or no reason. | |||
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Mass tried this angle and got shot down. Churches are not places of public accommodation AFAIK. http://harvardjol.com/2016/11/...ublic-accommodation/ _____________________________ 'I'm pretty fly for a white guy'. | |||
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A Grateful American |
Waco. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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NO. It is not a legal principle. Churches may PROVIDE sanctuary to anyone....but it has no legal standing. "Crom is strong! If I die, I have to go before him, and he will ask me, 'What is the riddle of steel?' If I don't know it, he will cast me out of Valhalla and laugh at me." | |||
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The days of churches being tax free operations should end. They are more political organizations these days. | |||
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3° that never cooled |
I don't recall ever chasing a criminal into a church, but certainly would have. Can you imagine, if "sanctuary" for criminals in churches in the United States were a real legal thing, how crowded churches would be. There'd be no room for parishioners on Sunday. Now from what I've seen reported on network news, we allow it to be real thing regarding mosques in the lands where we are in conflict in the Middle East..... NRA Life | |||
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Legalize the Constitution |
“The immigration system is broken” and “Immigration reform” are just euphemisms for, “If they make it here, they ought to get to stay. They should get all the social welfare benefits that Congress can dream up, and oh yeah, they should become citizens and get to vote.” Bullshit. The situation the country faces with this woman is the result of catch-and-release and allowing an illegal to stay so long that they take on names like “Vicky;” even though she can’t speak a lick of English. Without looking it up, I think the “right of church sanctuary” goes back to Magna Carta times when the Church and the Crown were linked. Representatives of the King respected the overarching authority of the Church and the sanctuary it offered. By the time of Thomas Beckett—no so much. _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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If I am in hot pursuit of a criminal, I can go anywhere he goes to apprehend him. If I have knowledge that an arrest warrant exists for a person, and I have reason to believe that person is on any property or in any building in my jurisdiction, I can look for that person. Sic Semper Tyrannis If you beat your swords into plowshares, you will become farmers for those who didn't! Political Correctness is fascism pretending to be Manners-George Carlin | |||
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Maybe some, not all. God's mercy: NOT getting what we deserve! God's grace: Getting what we DON'T deserve! "If the enemy is in range, so are you." - Infantry Journal Bob P239 40 S&W Endowment NRA Viet Nam '69-'70 | |||
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Each of those places referenced have business hours. Many, if not most churches have business hours for the public and times when they are not open to the public. Perhaps there are state laws applicable here also...I do not know. Churches are private property though, and just like walmart can ask someone to leave and have them banned from a property...so can churches. My church supports LEO's 100%, and as long as my church wasn't expected to pay for damages involved in getting a suspect, I'm all for the LEO's getting their suspect. But then...we let our local LEO's come and train in our building...and we're building a first responder room for them to have a safe place to take a break. Working on armoring up the walls and installing secureity systems and everything. Plus...there'll always be lots of doughnuts and coffee. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan, 1964 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.rikrlandvs.com | |||
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Perhaps we are thinking about this the wrong . If a illegal immigrant goes into a church and won't come out, is it all that different from being in a cell they can't come out of ? An upside being that church and it members pay the cost, not us taxpayer. I think it is a fine idea, they get to stay in the US so long as they never leave the sanctuary of their host church. | |||
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