a business which fails to embrace an elemental change in marketing (on-line) is a shop destined to fail.
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Some do, some don't. I use to use two local gun shops. One charged $50 and then decide to no longer accept hand gun transfers via USPS. That turned me off and I started using another shop who only charges $25, but they decided to move locations and only be open extremely part time now. I now drive south to the next town with a nice well established gun shop who is happy to do a transfer. They also have a nicer selection then my local shops and it is worth the hour drive.
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25 to 30 bucks is about what we make on a the sale of a new gun, maybe a bit more. We'll do transfers all day long.
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I agree with you, 100%
Most only see the face of the matter and believe it's all rainbows and butterflies.
For example, some people will transfer in several to upwards of nearly a dozen handguns, receivers, etc. Now, much more time is tied up in the process, along with additional paperwork, ( multiple forms. ) in other cases, there are headaches trying to track down the customer who had the gun transferred. There's usually no shortage of drama associated with transfers.
My LGS has gone back and fourth on the issue of what to charge for the transfer fee. Its typically $35.
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I don't mind doing transfers we charge $20. However, the biggest issue for us is the customer that shows up 10min after getting tracking notification and DEMANDS we give him his firearm. At least give us a couple hours and don't butt to the front of the line.
We used to charge $20 per form. After 1 customer had a bunch transferred in and I had to sit through countless hours of interviews about him with 3 different alphabet soup agencies we went to $20 per item. Twice now we have had a similar situation.
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My preferred shop is 45 minutes away. They charge $25 for up to 3 guns on a transfer. I always try to buy some gun lube or an accessory, while I am picking something up. Those prices are very fair and I just feel that it is polite. I also peruse the used guns and buy when the price is right. They are also a Glock LE dealer so I use my GSSF purchase voucher there.
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I use a local pawn shop, they're always pleasant and seem to not mind. They charge $20.00, very fair.
I've ordered from local gun stores, they take their invoice, add 10%, add shipping, add tax - that's what I paid. Still they have a hard time meeting the big on line retailers. I'm good if they are within $20.00 of the on line price..
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My local store welcomes transfers. I asked him one day and he said it’s a major source of his revenue. As others mentioned, you go in to pick up a gun and while you’re there chances are you get a couple mags, maybe a box of ammo/holster/sling/grease/etc. I only buy online when it’s one of those stupid cheap deals like the $279 M&P 15-22 a few years ago. If he’s close to the shipped and transferred cost I buy from him. His knowledge and service are worth paying a little more.
The two local stores I use don't seem to mind at all. I typically only have incoming transfers for used guns that I bought on the forum.
I have LGS that will do transfers for $25. Buy from him for $25 over his cost. Has to order. Makes no difference to him. $25 profit either way.
My FFL is semi-retired. These days he works part-time and by appointment only out of a friend's jewelry store. All he does is transfers. $30 + $10 NICS. Very reasonable for this area.
Many times I've gone to pick something up and there may be 3 or 4 other people there doing the same. He does quite well by doing this and really appreciates his customers.
It ain't the years, its the mileage.
I really don't care if they appreciate it or not. If they say they do transfers but give me a hard time about it, then I just won't come back. I do so much of shopping online that if a brick and mortar store can't provide good customer service, then I'm just done with them.
This is capitalism, keep up or die.
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So just out of curiosity.....
When all the brick and mortars in your area die (because they refuse to support your online buying habits), who's going to handle your transfers?
I don't think that will happen, I believe in capitalism.
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Why are you all assuming the $25 is all profit?
I'll bet you once you subtract the cost of him being there, having someone doing the transfer on the clock (they ain't working for free) and all his other costs like utilities and insurance etc it's like half that, maybe.
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Whether you believe it or not we are heading that way. B&M is costly and firearm profits are low so the B&M’s will close leaving home based only. The home based will realize they have a monopoly and will raise transfer fees then you’ll be mad at them. This is capitalism....
And that's the end result if we don't choose to only buy from brick and mortar? Even if it not economically efficient? You really think that's where we'll all end up, buying online, doing transfers at someone's house for high fees? Maybe that could happen, but even then it would be a point in time and not an end result.
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I don't, and here's why. At least around here, home based FFLs are somewhat frowned upon, unless you're in an unincorporated area.
Cities don't want "businesses" in the subdivisions. They want "businesses" to do what businesses are supposed to do: Have a commercial location, and collect/pay taxes. And seeing that FFLs rank not far behind liquor stores and nightclubs on the scale of desirability, cities also tend to want to limit the number and locations of those who are interested.
So it's my belief that home based FFLs will not replace brick and mortar locations. When they're gone, they'll be gone.
And it's not just FFLs. What do you think your local city/county/state is going to do when they finally get off their ass about the taxes they're loosing? In your "no local business utopia", who's going to pay the bills?
It's certainly not my Utopia to have no local businesses. Really my two points are:
1. I don't think most firearm consumers want to pay extra high prices just to support local businesses that may or may not have good customer service.
2. Economies are always evolving.
I now work p/t at a LGS a few days a week as fun job. We are sorry when we hear of bad attitudes elsewhere so I get that part. We are quite fine with transfers, as you cannot have everything customers want. Many of the largest online retailers get deals we cannot get or match, so we understand. In these cases we would not find fault with customers, just the inequitable parts of firearm distribution.
We are quite often cheaper after shipping/fees when doing special orders and usually help customers there. If you don't understand the underbelly of retail well it might be nice to repeat that transfers are not free money. Besides being at the counter for sales, someone has to be on the clock for a shift or a day to send out FFL copies, receive, log, run down errors, occasionally ship stuff back when refused, and be available at the times customers turn up to do the paperwork. If an owner has a store, there is overhead before making a living. IF... IF, it took an appointment on limited hours for one person to schedule NICS 2 evenings a week just to do paperwork it could be a savings, but that isn't practical.
Whatever we did as a living in our time, (if business and not taxpayer funded, hehe) the goal was to make some money. Compared to the margins retailing firearms, many of you should be embarrassed to complain.
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