I believe most of us here realize the problem behind recent violent events in the US is due to nothing less than pure evil. But how does a society combat evil? We do know what doesn’t work.

These people who harm others are not necessarily mentally ill. At least they are not being reported as such. Barring those that may deal with mental issues, from firearms, in general, does not stop evil.

Joe-Bob and Nancy Prepper hording ammo and toilet paper are not the problem. Well, maybe they have other problems, but the evil people who commit these atrocities are usually not part of the ‘Prepper Community’. Confiscating Joe-Bob’s collection of firearms (and TP?) does not stop evil.

Red Flag confiscations from those that suffer from a host of unrelated issues, simply because they trip some flag, is not only ineffective, but creates a society of discrimination and fear mongering. None of the recent events would have tripped a red flag, anyway. These Red Flags laws will not combat evil.

Criminal background checks for all gun purchases may stop a few criminals known to be such, but those that harm others in the manner that they have, have passed a NICS check to purchase their weapons. Add to that, criminals will always have guns. You simply cannot legislate evil away. Wicked people will always find a way to acquire material for their wickedness. Passing ‘feel-good’ legislation will not stop evil.

Infringing on the rights of the majority for the safety of the whole is not sustainable in this society. The US is simply not set up to challenge the second amendment in its entirety. It may be beaten up a bit, restrictions may be imposed, but rejecting one of the basic tenants of our society will not prevail in the end.

Hatred and Extreme Behavior are a disease. It doesn’t matter what circumstances you think exist. It is never OK to harm your fellow man in the manner that evil people do. Never.

The solution seems to exist outside of our societies grasp. How do we create a peace loving, anti-violent, society? What is the solution to anger, violence, and extreme behavior? How do we put an end to the horrific actions that have recently plagued our nation? I don’t have the solution. What do you think? Do you have a solution?

H&K-Guy

There is no solution and there will never be a solution. Humans are high-order social primates. In addition to our more admirable qualities, we possess the capacity for abject cruety and extreme violence, and now, we are rapidly approaching a population of eight billion.

You want harmony? There has to be one race only on the planet. It's just like what Warren Beatty's character in Bulworth says is the suggestion for societal strife- humans just have to keep screwing until there's only one race.

Since this is unlikely to ever happen, and since even if it did happen, it would take hundreds or even thousands of years to come about, then, speaking in practical terms, and regarding those humans now drawing breath, there is no solution.

It's just as Robinson Jeffer's tusked boar says to him: Better lie up in the mountain here, four or five centuries, while the stars go over the lonely ocean.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
There is no solution and there will never be a solution. Humans are high-order social primates. In addition to our more admirable qualities, we possess the capacity for abject cruety and extreme violence, and now, we are rapidly approaching a population of eight billion.

You want harmony? There has to be one race only on the planet. It's just like Warren Beatty's charcter in Bulworth says is the suggestion for societal strife- humans just have to be screwing until there's only one race.

Since this is unlilely to ever hapen, and since even if it did happen, it would take hundreds or even thousands of years to come about, then, speaking in practical terms, and regarding those humans now drawing breath, there is no solution.

Interesting. You bring up some good points. I don't have an immediate response to your point of view.

I would only bring out that some, even nonhomogeneous, cultures have far less evil people. I don't have any scientific data to support my feelings at this time, but I would guess Canadians are, as a whole, a less violent people than those in Wisconsin, who have created some very evil people. At least I don't hear of Ed Gene like folks living in the great white north, ehh? Maybe you can walk threw the woods of the great white north only to discover a band of naked men and women dressed in human skin dancing around a fire. But I think those odds would not be good.

At least you can agree with me that having a beer in downtown Mogadishu or Beruit at night would be far more dangerous than enjoying a slurpy in a gas station in Boulder, CO.

H&K-Guy

In nearly every case of a public violent act, the actor was known well in advance to family, friends, teachers, church members, co-workers, etc.

None of these events occurred in a vacuum, or came as a surprise to those who knew the actor.

In nearly every case, the actor advertised himself. In every such case, the event was preventable. In hindsight, it was clearly coming. To those in a position to see, it was coming. None of these events were inevitable.

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Originally posted by H&K:

.. Red Flags laws will not combat evil.

... Add to that, criminals will always have guns. You simply cannot legislate evil away. Wicked people will always find a way to acquire material for their wickedness. ....

Infringing on the rights of the majority for the safety of the whole is not sustainable in this society. ....

The solution seems to exist outside of our societies grasp. How do we create a peace loving, anti-violent, society? What is the solution to anger, violence, and extreme behavior? ....

H&K-Guy

You answered most of your own questions in the post.

To answer the last question, there is no way. Luckily they are dying out. Everyone had an 'racist' uncle, well Uncle Joe is pushing 80 now and won't be around. Racists and bigots hurt no one but themselves. White supremacists, Nazis, etc. are so rare that they are not worth mentioning. Find me a pic of a recent clan rally or neoNazi gathering/March with more than a few hundred in attendance. It doesn't happen, even if it did only a small percentage are actually committed enough to allow hate to ruin their own life to act out on their misguided ideas.

Bad people will always exist, can't stop it, they will always find a way to go out with a bang. I could come up with a dozen ways to hurt a group of people without the use of a gun. Best bet to protect against nut jobs is good guys with guns. Red flag laws sound great in theory (before you think it out), they can't solve hate.

We can control much of the violence, though. Many acts of violence are committed by three groups: terrorists, illegal aliens, and the insane. Securing the borders, screening those allowed to enter, and incarcerating/treating the violently insane would help tremendously. As was pointed out earlier, mass shooters ALWAYS wave red flags. Mass shooters kill the fewest, however. Many illegals kill thru drunk driving. Gang members pick off quite a few. And lastly, convicted violent felons returned to the community are a great risk.

1. Comparing the United States to Canada is absurd.
We are a country of 315,000,000 people. Canada has about 1/10 that number and is a MUCH more homogenous society. IE they get along with each other and have been for decades. Our experiment of the “Melting Pot” has both worked and failed. It has made the greatest country in the world. More recently we have allowed the immigration flood to NOT assimilate into our society. So now we have a large democratic republic population that actually can be compared to no other society.

2. The idealist liberal left think a society with zero guns would be heaven on earth. England is currently trying this. Short term results? Assaults with knives are way up. Home break ins for robbery are up, whether anyone is home or not - the robbers know the home owners are unarmed. Our armed society is actually keeping a lid on crime. As said numerous times before - take guns away from the good people and only the bad people have guns. And no, the police cannot be everywhere at once. If the libs had their way and 200 million guns were to suddenly go away, crime - violent crime would go through the roof.

3. There is a bell curve that helps understand many things. The graph that illustrates the bell curve notes that there is a small number at each end, with the majority in the middle. No matter the size of the society, there will always be a small percentage of violent, unredeemable people in that society. A bigger society? A bigger number of those people exist. This is why we can’t compare violence in Canada (30 million people?) or Switzerland (9 million?) to the United States.

4. Our media paint our picture. News 24/7. Instant communication, world wide. Say something enough times and the simple minded will not only believe it but repeat it as gospel. Is there really racism against ? Is there really police prejudice against who? If the media says so it must be true, right?

5. Breakdown of the family. Govt has worked hard at becoming our God. “If you can’t help yourself, there is a program for that”. “You don’t need to have a two parent family, there is money for you here...” The schools, unfortunately, reinforce the govt. song. For them there is never enough money. They see all the kids, good, bad, ugly, etc. The teachers are confronted with this all the time. The natural thought for them - “If only we had a little more money we could....”

Young, without parenting from both the father AND mother, have looked elsewhere for leadership. They found it in their poorly raised peers, the internet and the violent movies AND video games. THIS is where the violence today comes from. THIS started several decades ago. The solution is to be found by change in the schools (respecting parents, families and supporting them) and structuring the govt. programs to support the integral family. IT WILL TAKE A DECADE OR MORE TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE VIOLENCE OF TODAY. PERHAPS SEVERAL. It has nothing to do with our guns. Take away guns and the violence will continue with knives (England) bats, cars...

6. Solution - support family and support nurturing the kids. Plan on it taking a while. Everything else is treating the symptom.

7. Any public figure advocating violence against a group or groups is immediately arrested, charged with terroristic threats or inciting to riot, prosecuted and put into prison for 10 years. After a few of those, you’d have less of it and the susceptible idiots would have less to feed their us vs. them fantasies.

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Robinson Jeffer's tusked boar says to him: Better lie up in the mountain here, four or five centuries, while the stars go over the lonely ocean

"Keep clear of the dupes that talk democracy
And the dogs that talk revolution,
Drunk with talk, liars and believers.
I believe in my tusks.
Long live freedom and damn the ideologies,"
Said the gamey black-maned boar
Tusking the turf on Mal Paso Mountain.”

Prior to the 80's. Nutcases and crazys were easily put into mental institutions. Politicians and "do-gooders" decided it was cruel and in the early 80's released throngs of them on society. Around 1984 St Elizabeth's in DC realeased around 800 wackaloons and bused them across the river into Old Town, VA. Now it takes almost an act of God to get someone committed.

We now have thousands of people that are on major psychotropic drugs. Have you ever met a truly bi-polar person? Bi-polar meds can regularly just stop working. I know a woman whose meds on avg quit working every 3 yrs and she goes off the deep end violent and destructive. These types of people at the least should be in some sort of assisted living facility.

Add to the mental problems with drugs, alcohol and 24hr hate inducing news, on already damaged minds, and it's a recipe for disaster.

Add all this to the revolving door of our prison system for violent felons and you get what's happening now.

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No matter the size of the society, there will always be a small percentage of violent, unredeemable people in that society. A bigger society? A bigger number of those people exist. This is why we can’t compare violence in Canada (30 million people?) or Switzerland (9 million?) to the United States.

Exactly. Tail end of the distribution curve.

Those one-in-a-million evil basket-cases? Dahmer, Manson, e.g.? Well, with 300+ million folks in the US, figure on three hundred of those knocking around.

Good luck finding them beforehand. And disarming ordinary folks hoping to somehow neutralize those bastards? That would just leave those ordinary folks defenseless against them - folks like that always find a way - and is exactly the wrong direction.

There is no "solution". Solution to one group is destruction to another. Violence/hatred/extremism has existed since the day of Cain and Abel. We can only do our darn best to educate others and protect ourselves and loved ones against evil doers. If you're wishing for utopia on earth, it doesn't exist. That will happen after Judgement Day.

I just watched a Colin Noir video from a couple days ago with TMZ.

As you can expect those libtards ONLY answer was to get rid of or limit guns.

Sort of ironically they both inadvertently agree that looking for crazy people and stopping them from getting guns is not the answer (sort of where Trump is going).

Colin has the right answer which is that:
1. we never get rid of evil
2. we must be prepared (much like a hurricane or another natural disaster) to handle it
3. the second amendment gives us that tool
4. and deal with it as it happens
ding ding ding

I agree with southernmaninla as to the crazies among us. Read here about Adam Lanza , from Sandy Hook. Jez! How was that bat-shit crazy living at home with is mother, who was a gun enthusiast?

New mental hospitals and community treatment centers need to be built and staffed. Involuntary commitment laws written. Public awareness campaigns mounted. Billions budgeted. Such a massive program would help control the "homeless problem", opiate addiction, suicides and maybe stop a killer.

The solution is simple.

Ruthlessly eradicate all haters, all extremists, all extremist haters, and all hater extremeists.

What does that mean? Did you read that over before you posted it? Are you trying to actually the man's question, or are you just trying to be clever with that gobbledygook? It's gibberish.

critical thinking abilities / education (internationally - the literacy rates in many foreign countries is crazy low)

focus on logic vs. emotion

travel / exposure to other cultures

no that will not eliminate it all - but I think 'walking a mile in another man's shoes' helps

as does critical thinking skills so you can resist the 'group think' that gets pushed

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I think it’s unavoidable and there is no solution for peace in this secular world. Based on one’s Christian beliefs, the Earth is Satan’s domain; this is all the precursor to the apocalypse, tribulation, and rapture of the church. As a Christian, all I can do is turn the other cheek, let the love of Christ show through my actions, and expect to be persecuted. All easier said than done...

Para said it, there is no solution.

There is acceptance, and then taking the necessary steps to protect yourself from evil.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
The solution is simple.

Ruthlessly eradicate all haters, all extremists, all extremist haters, and all hater extremeists.

If we implemented that there wouldn’t be anyone left.